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Hack my lipitor

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 25, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Help please

I am on lipitor 10mg, and would like to get off it, what do you think my #'s would be without lipitor?

Also is my LDL large & fluffy now?

Two years ago

male 310 lbs NO LIPITOR

TC 230

HDL 41

TRI 185

LDL 152

CHOL/HDLC 5.6

TRIG/HDL 4.5

Now

240 lbs LIPITOR 10mg (fish oil & coq10)

TC 142

HDL 57

TRI 51

LDL 75 (56 Iranian)

CHOL/HDLC 2.5

TRIG/HDL 0.89

Thanks

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on November 27, 2011
at 07:10 PM

Thanks for the info, Dextery!

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on November 25, 2011
at 08:32 PM

Robb Wolf's The Paleolithic Solution is a must read for you. http://robbwolf.com since he owns a crossfit box in Chico, Ca. and speaks nationwide.

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on November 25, 2011
at 08:27 PM

Albert, In addition to the answer I gave to OP which all apply to you, you need to supplement with Vit D3 at least 10000IU a day to get you up to 70 to 100mg/ml YOu diet is fine except for the nut butter. Too much crossfit. Raises cortisol levels and stops weight loss. Look at meal timing as related to timing with circadian rhythems...the Leptin Reset RX. http://jackkruse.com/my-leptin-prescription/

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on November 25, 2011
at 05:39 PM

First of all, big-time congrats on your weight loss.

I don't think it's possible to even venture a ballpark guess as to what your cholesterol would do once you got off Lipitor. What type of diet do you typically eat, by the way?

I don't believe you'd drop over dead if you got off of Lipitor for a while to see for yourself, but remember.. I'm not a medical doctor. I'm just some anonymous chump on the internet.

Just curious - how well do you tolerate the Lipitor? I've read that it does some things that are bad for the body and I've also read that it does some good, though unintended, things, such as reduce inflammation.

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on November 25, 2011
at 07:42 PM

Your Total cholesterol is way too low. Our brains need cholesterol to operate efficiently. Get off the lipitor and your total cholesterol would go up...which is good. People that have low cholesterol do not live as long as folks that have TC 225 to 300.

Your HDL has come up but needs to be above 60 and the higher the better. And the decrease in your triglycerides is excellent.

Get a VAP or NMR which will tell you about your sdLDL vrs your large bouyant LDL.

See if this company has a facility in your area. http://www.anylabtestnow.com/New_Products/VAP.aspx $79 and look for a $10 coupon off.

Or look at www.directlabs.com for either the vap or nmr.

Also look at this posting by Chris Chrisser... I have high cholesterol and I don't care.

http://chriskresser.com/i-have-high-cholesterol-and-i-dont-care

See also this on VAP from Life Extension: http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/may2007_report_vap_01.htm

More about heart disease and the relationship between cholesterol and mortality. http://jackkruse.com/why-does-heart-disease-really-occur/

If you continue to eat paleo/primal with no wheat products or sugar, you will feel great and you will be off of the Lipitor...for good forever.

It was ridiculous for your PCP to put you on a statin with a TC of 230!

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on November 25, 2011
at 05:40 PM

You have to get a vap or nmr test to tell the particle size. The info here simply doesn't tell that.

Also, weight loss is good. TC 142 is quite low, in fact a little too low I believe.

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on November 25, 2011
at 08:08 PM

(Re-posting this recent post here, due to lack of feedback to earlier thread.)

Results over time:

Oct 2009 Results (while taking 40 mg/d of prescribed statin for hypercholesterolemia, diagnosed about 15 yrs ago)

Total Cholesterol: 243 Triglycerides (basically, blood sugar): 278 HDL (so-called "good" cholesterol): 55 LDL ("bad" cholesterol): 132

April 2011 (shile still taking 40 mg of statin, but 3 months into CrossFit training and ~2 mos on paleo diet 80%+)

Ttl Cholesterol: 191 ("reference levels" indicate <200) Trig: 163 (ref. levels 0-149) HDL: 60 (ref. >39) LDL: 98 (ref. <100)

Nov 2011 (w/ 2 mos of NO statin -- just stopped taking it -- and 7 more months of CF training and paleo diet)

Ttl Cholesterol: 278 Trig: 86 (good improvement, but I've heard that 45 is optimal) HDL: 84 (this is great, imo) LDL: 177 (significant increase...?? fish oil?? eggs?? too much almond butter?) Vit D: 29.3 (ref. 32-100) Insulin: 3.5 (good, by ref. standards 2.6-24.9) Hemoglobin: 5.6 (on the high end of reference average -- 4.8-5.6)

Big takeaways to me are the big jump in "good" cholesterol level and that Vit D is still deficient! -- imagine what it was before I started taking it about a month ago! Also, first time I've ever seen my HDL:Triglyceride ratio close to 1:1, which I've heard is considered optimal.

So, as I read the results, my total cholesterol comes out "high" because of the LDL levels. What GP's don't go into is that, just like there's "good" and "bad" types of cholesterol, there are good and bad forms of the LDL type. In a nutshell, there's a "bad" form, that is like small, compact globs, and a "good" form that is puffy. I guess I need to look into the cost of having a particle density test done to determine my ratio of good:bad LDL. In other words, a person could actually have a high "total" cholesterol level, as measured by standard blood tests, but not be at risk, possibly.

Since going paleo, I have brought back a lot of things to my regular diet that I had been limiting severely for years -- such as eggs (yum!), red meat, and "good" fats. I've cut out all grain-based stuff (breads, wheats, pasta, aside from the occasional cheat -- like Thai spring rolls...and steamed white rice with Indian food...), cereals, oatmeal, granola -- all gone. As is all things soy, anything packaged (chips and other crappinabag) most dairy (still use cream in coffee and tea, and will pounce on cheese given the opportunity). Never had a real issue with sugar -- largely I think b/c I had the carb variety of the sweet tooth -- though I occasionally treat myself with Justin's Nut Butter. I've even dumped my beloved white potatoes in favor of sweet potatoes. And beans, another food love, are gone. On the exercise front, I religiously do CrossFit 4 nights/week. I've lost about 35 pounds and 6 inches from my waist since January (went from a 42 to a 36, and down to under 200 from about 240) -- and know that weight loss can often cause increase numbers, but most of the weight dropped early on, so I wonder if this is still a factor.

Bottomline is I'd like to be able to live happily sans any amount of statins. But I'd also like to know I'm not running around feeling like a 20-yr-old (I'll be 50 in Feb 2012, thanks) while inadvertently eating my way to disaster. I'd be grateful to hear any and all of your thoughts and feedback.

3a567c1637db69f1455ce35e78201a2c

(1054)

on November 25, 2011
at 08:32 PM

Robb Wolf's The Paleolithic Solution is a must read for you. http://robbwolf.com since he owns a crossfit box in Chico, Ca. and speaks nationwide.

3a567c1637db69f1455ce35e78201a2c

(1054)

on November 25, 2011
at 08:27 PM

Albert, In addition to the answer I gave to OP which all apply to you, you need to supplement with Vit D3 at least 10000IU a day to get you up to 70 to 100mg/ml YOu diet is fine except for the nut butter. Too much crossfit. Raises cortisol levels and stops weight loss. Look at meal timing as related to timing with circadian rhythems...the Leptin Reset RX. http://jackkruse.com/my-leptin-prescription/

0a2dd50f2d3951bf3fb83fc4638c9512

(1960)

on November 27, 2011
at 07:10 PM

Thanks for the info, Dextery!

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