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Thoughts on Chris Kresser's take on obesity?

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Created August 12, 2011 at 8:19 PM

It's certainly far less polarizing than Taubes or Stephan's views... I really loves his style of research/writing and glad he's weighing in on this too. To me he's somewhat of a non-partisan voice of reason in the community and I really appreciate how he includes a lot of lifestyle things that often get left out of other people's theories.

The only downside is that it's not very exciting to argue about someone's ideas that are inclusive of many different factors in obesity!

http://thehealthyskeptic.org/there-is-no-single-cause-of-or-treatment-for-obesity

thoughts?

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on August 13, 2011
at 09:49 PM

Rephrased - Just because low carb is a good tool for becoming un-fat doesn't mean that carbs made you fat.

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on August 13, 2011
at 08:26 PM

My blog today lays out my position clearly

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:41 PM

... in a more ideal manner. We all get that. That's all Kresser was saying. Let's find out the obesity pathology and then correct it and the genes will start to express themselves more ideally. I don't get why it needs to be said as biochem textbook jibberish (i know Jabber Wocky by heart so I’m pretty fine with the jibberish). Sometimes being technical is the only way; most the time it isn’t.

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:41 PM

I say potato you say mostly Chlorogenic acid but also includes crypto-chlorogenic acid, neo-chlorogenic acid, 3,4-dicaffeoylquinic and 3,5-dicaffeoylquinic acids. To say that testing needs to be individualized and that the lifestyle of your ancestors are effect gene expression but you can do a good amount to alter that through lifestyle choices is some great advice. Get healthy and genes will start to express themselves in a more ideal manner. We all get that. That's all Kresser was saying. Let's find out the obesity pathology and then correct it and the genes will start to express themselves

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on August 13, 2011
at 04:27 AM

maybe to you it does because you dont understand how to clinically modulate it......epigenetic switches are made obvious by the clinical hormone status of the person to dietary stimuli. That is what is missing from paleo.......clinical correlates. The brain response to the switches are found in its neurohumoral response to diet.

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on August 13, 2011
at 02:44 AM

Great read - refreshing to see someone not taking a side on fat or carbs and taking more than *one* factor in consideration.

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on August 13, 2011
at 02:29 AM

Great quote, indeed.

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on August 13, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Saying it's epigenetic and genes is like saying that the game of baseball is played with gravity and force.

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He missed the pot of gold.....just like in medicine.....it's not the many variables we think.....it's the ones we discount and don't think about that catch us. Epigenetics sets the cell and the brain modulates it from there. You can change everything about you if you wish to

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Excellent, thanks.

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at 10:08 PM

So... what are your thoughts on CK's piece?

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on August 12, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Whilst trying to digest the AHS11 data and especially the Guyenet/Taubes controversy, I realized that I was doing exactly this:

One of the biggest mistakes often made in this debate is the confounding of cause, mechanism and effect. A classic example is the assumption that if reducing carbohydrate or fat intake leads to weight loss, then the original weight gain must have been caused by excess carbohydrate or fat consumption.

It was kind of a breakthrough moment for me.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on August 13, 2011
at 09:49 PM

Rephrased - Just because low carb is a good tool for becoming un-fat doesn't mean that carbs made you fat.

F571bcba0e6196c3e53f599924eecab6

on August 13, 2011
at 02:29 AM

Great quote, indeed.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on August 12, 2011
at 10:06 PM

There are many pathways to obesity and diseases of aging......all are arbitered by the brain and our epigenome. Science has a sort of gravity for all thinkers that will draw them to the pot of gold soon enough.

Debate and controversy is good because it stimulates thinking so that no one gets intellectually lazy on their perch from their own perceptions of what they think or their interpretations of what the science did or not say......

My two cents.

I love the chaos of disputes.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on August 13, 2011
at 04:27 AM

maybe to you it does because you dont understand how to clinically modulate it......epigenetic switches are made obvious by the clinical hormone status of the person to dietary stimuli. That is what is missing from paleo.......clinical correlates. The brain response to the switches are found in its neurohumoral response to diet.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on August 13, 2011
at 08:26 PM

My blog today lays out my position clearly

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on August 12, 2011
at 11:56 PM

He missed the pot of gold.....just like in medicine.....it's not the many variables we think.....it's the ones we discount and don't think about that catch us. Epigenetics sets the cell and the brain modulates it from there. You can change everything about you if you wish to

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7304)

on August 12, 2011
at 10:08 PM

So... what are your thoughts on CK's piece?

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on August 13, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Saying it's epigenetic and genes is like saying that the game of baseball is played with gravity and force.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on August 13, 2011
at 03:41 PM

... in a more ideal manner. We all get that. That's all Kresser was saying. Let's find out the obesity pathology and then correct it and the genes will start to express themselves more ideally. I don't get why it needs to be said as biochem textbook jibberish (i know Jabber Wocky by heart so I’m pretty fine with the jibberish). Sometimes being technical is the only way; most the time it isn’t.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on August 13, 2011
at 03:41 PM

I say potato you say mostly Chlorogenic acid but also includes crypto-chlorogenic acid, neo-chlorogenic acid, 3,4-dicaffeoylquinic and 3,5-dicaffeoylquinic acids. To say that testing needs to be individualized and that the lifestyle of your ancestors are effect gene expression but you can do a good amount to alter that through lifestyle choices is some great advice. Get healthy and genes will start to express themselves in a more ideal manner. We all get that. That's all Kresser was saying. Let's find out the obesity pathology and then correct it and the genes will start to express themselves

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:56 PM

Chris Kresser is da bomb. And I love his 9 steps to perfect health, because he takes a very holistic view of health. It's not just eat less, move more!

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on August 12, 2011
at 09:18 PM

I think we could possibly at some point assign + or - point values to each factor that someone is exposed to and I bet it would correlate to the extent to which they are obese. The most obese are likely subject to all + factors and basically no - values and as people are less fat, they have a better "net adiposity likelihood" score or whatever.

Some of the things would be almost negligible, but others would have a significant "bang for your buck" by addressing them.

Essentially everyone is right but also wrong when we insist that 1 thing is all it takes.

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:25 PM

I love this article! I think his take is the most well-rounded for sure. And I really appreciate the way he writes as well as the tone that he writes in.

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