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Okay, *Seriously* hack nut cravings in general

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created November 23, 2012 at 12:27 PM

I have been hacking away at this problem for a long time, and I have not yet gotten satisfactory insight. Here are the "answers" I've gotten that are not satisfactory:

"Just don't buy them." - That's a good way to not eat nuts, but it doesn't address why they're so ^%(& addictive!

"Soak them." - They aren't nearly as satiating this way. I think they get more carby and less fatty.

[interjection- I am not necessarily looking for how to stop- I am actually looking for WHY people get addicted to nuts.]

"It's the carbs." - Potatoes have carbs too but I'm not addicted to those... at all.

"It's the fat." - What, the PUFAs? Then why don't I crave safflower oil?

"It's the crunch." - If that were true, raw carrots would satisfy my craving. They don't.

"It's the salt." - This I partially agree with. The salt helps make nuts delicious, but this effect obviously extends to many other foods that I do not find as addicting.

"It's providing minerals/vitamins/amino acids you are deficient in." - Now this makes some sense to me--but I would ask- what are those nutrients exactly?

My current going theory about this is that the last answer is true, and that nut addiction happens with people who have cut red meat out of their diet. Therefore, they turn to nuts to fill that nutritional void, but it never quite succeeds, possibly because it's a taxing, inefficient way of getting those nutrients.

So MY question would be, is there anyone out there who eats a substantial amount of red meat AND STILL craves nuts?

Discussion, and not jumping to conclusions/answers, would be appreciated.

Yours, Dan W.

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on November 24, 2012
at 02:38 PM

I only buy raw organic nuts, and for the most part, I don't buy them at all because I do tend to binge on them.

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on November 24, 2012
at 01:08 PM

The main thing is I think foods, like nuts, are generally craved for non-micronutrient reasons. A raw nut and roasted, salted nut have similar nutrients and most people will eat the roasted, salted nuts. If we generally craved micronutrients, it seems we'd be generally healthier.

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on November 24, 2012
at 01:01 PM

Cashews are my favorite. Do you binge on nuts raw, or more-so when roasted and salted?

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on November 24, 2012
at 05:15 AM

I think if you don't feel bad afterwards in any way, you probably have nothing to worry about. That's my belief, anyway. Munch away, I say.

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on November 24, 2012
at 05:05 AM

I definitely don't crave liver as much as nuts. But that might be because it takes a while to prepare liver--I cook it with onions in olive oil. If I had to choose between the two, if both were placed in front of me, I would go for the liver for sure. I haven't had it in a while, though. I should get on that. I've put it off because I have no cast iron to cook with... just lousy teflon...

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on November 24, 2012
at 02:10 AM

Okay, I understand. Thank you. I'm a huge nut eater and snack on them all the time, but I've never had any trouble (I'm a cast iron stomach kind of guy). Still, I'll keep researching because I'm definitely not "in moderation" here. Some concern that I may be doing some invisible damage that will only be revealed as time goes on.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

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on November 24, 2012
at 01:38 AM

The nuts I binge on, almonds and cashews, are 15% and 23% carbohydrate as percentage of calories. Interestingly enough, those are some of the carbiest nuts.

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on November 24, 2012
at 01:05 AM

Trying to understand a nut being a "fatty carb" ... it's mostly fat, some protein, some fiber and very little sugar ... eh, just semantics I suppose ...

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

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on November 24, 2012
at 12:58 AM

I can't think of any.

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

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on November 24, 2012
at 12:44 AM

Do you crave liver? As much as nuts? Do you eat liver raw, cooked but plain, or with added flavors?

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on November 24, 2012
at 12:23 AM

I never said there is anything inherently wrong with nuts. However, it's so easy to overdo them that the problem becomes: too many nuts. Too often. It weighs down your digestive system, and is pro-inflammatory for people like me, with an autoimmune condition.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on November 24, 2012
at 12:21 AM

I love liver a lot.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on November 24, 2012
at 12:20 AM

What are some examples of naturally-occurring "fatty carbs" other than nuts and seeds?

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on November 23, 2012
at 10:43 PM

So balancing with o-3s can help perhaps? I dunno. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21470818

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on November 23, 2012
at 10:22 PM

As Dr. Michael Eades put it, fatty carbs have a mouth feel that humans love. As he pointed out, no one gobbles down plain butter, but mix it with powdered sugar and it becomes frosting, which we'll happily consume to great excess. In my own life, the only foods I binge on are fatty carbs.

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on November 23, 2012
at 08:33 PM

It's because they're god damn delicious!

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on November 23, 2012
at 04:40 PM

I haven't eaten eggs in years.

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on November 23, 2012
at 04:07 PM

hmm...I just stopped eating eggs and my nut cravings have left. My dark circles have also disappeared. Maybe eggs are blocking some mineral that can be found in nuts. I once ate 2 lbs of almonds in 2 days..F me.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on November 23, 2012
at 03:45 PM

And why would a fatty carb be addictive? I get lots of fats in my diet to begin with, without nuts. So why don't I just crave carbs? Can you explain further? This doesn't illustrate any cause-and-effect.

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on November 23, 2012
at 02:18 PM

I don't know the answer, I'd guess at the body craving fat and/or carbs....BUT I wouldn't worry about it. Just smash em in!

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at 12:38 PM

[sidenote meta] Why was this posted as "Dan" instead of "Dan W." and why can't I seem to log on to my preferred account (Dan W.)?

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on November 23, 2012
at 04:03 PM

i think its the way they come packaged in nature. if we didn't have this strong craving, who would have done all the work to get them out of the shells before humans had tools? humans are lazy, so we evolved huge "so good!" responses to things that are beneficial to us, like sex and nuts.

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on November 23, 2012
at 02:50 PM

I eat lots of rea meat and yet struggle terribly with my nut addiction. In fact I was less addicted to them when I was vegan than now as a meat eater. I have also been looking for answers: I have three possible explanations: 1) fatty carbs as suggested by ALex above 2) minerals like magensium and selenium 3) the antinutrients in nuts may i) be needed to prevent excess iron/calcium etc from a meat rich diet so they would act as detoxifiers OR ii) by depriving us of such nutrients they create a vicious cycle of cravings etc.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on November 23, 2012
at 04:40 PM

I haven't eaten eggs in years.

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on November 23, 2012
at 04:07 PM

hmm...I just stopped eating eggs and my nut cravings have left. My dark circles have also disappeared. Maybe eggs are blocking some mineral that can be found in nuts. I once ate 2 lbs of almonds in 2 days..F me.

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on November 24, 2012
at 12:16 PM

I eat lots of red meat but still crave nuts. This is bad for me because I'm very sensitive to all the Omega-6 oil, which sets off my inflammation...very uncomfortable. Drinking fresh vegetable juices stills my unhelpful cravings, so it might be a nutritional-need sort of craving.

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on November 24, 2012
at 01:36 AM

If they have to be roasted, salted, or seasoned nuts to be addictive, then I would say it's more about the flavour than some nutrient deficiency, otherwise any raw form of nut would suffice.

These days I usually eat almonds soaked, and no they aren't terribly addictive that way but are fun to peel-- but I remember a few times when I made tamari/garlic/honey roasted almonds that basically became Crack for everyone in the house.

Some things are more than the sum of parts.

Seasoned roasted nuts and Bacon are examples of this.

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Fa666905e4ed72858084dbcfed164daf

on November 23, 2012
at 10:40 PM

Are you undereating? That could be one reason you have a craving for anything.

Nuts have carbs and omega 6 fats. Those o-6 fats are supposed to work on the endocannbanoid system causing increased hunger and wanting - like what happens when people smoke the mary-jane. Don't really know the ins and outs of this.

Also, someone mentioned that they have crabs and that was going to be my next thing - are you looking for carbs?

Anyway you cut it, almonds are pretty tasty and I enjoy them every day.

Fa666905e4ed72858084dbcfed164daf

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on November 23, 2012
at 10:43 PM

So balancing with o-3s can help perhaps? I dunno. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21470818

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Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

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on November 23, 2012
at 05:34 PM

I think it's not just one of those things you've listed, but rather a combination of them and possibly a couple more ... fat, salt, crunch, calories/filling, easy/convenient to store/eat/travel, bit-sized/ready-to-eat so "I'll have just a couple" can snow ball to "just a couple more" ...

Some other questions to consider:

  1. Does it happen with raw nuts? I find I'll eat far fewer raw almonds, than if they're roasted and salted.
  2. As far as the nutrient idea - do you crave beef liver? It's very nutrient dense ... I've always just wondered about that one ... just thinking if there's a nutrient factor, it's probably more than that causing a craving ...

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

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on November 24, 2012
at 12:44 AM

Do you crave liver? As much as nuts? Do you eat liver raw, cooked but plain, or with added flavors?

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

(1211)

on November 24, 2012
at 01:08 PM

The main thing is I think foods, like nuts, are generally craved for non-micronutrient reasons. A raw nut and roasted, salted nut have similar nutrients and most people will eat the roasted, salted nuts. If we generally craved micronutrients, it seems we'd be generally healthier.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on November 24, 2012
at 05:05 AM

I definitely don't crave liver as much as nuts. But that might be because it takes a while to prepare liver--I cook it with onions in olive oil. If I had to choose between the two, if both were placed in front of me, I would go for the liver for sure. I haven't had it in a while, though. I should get on that. I've put it off because I have no cast iron to cook with... just lousy teflon...

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on November 24, 2012
at 12:21 AM

I love liver a lot.

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7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

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on November 23, 2012
at 12:54 PM

My take on it is that fatty carbs, like potato chips, buttery croissants, etc. are addictive. Nuts are just another fatty carb.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

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on November 24, 2012
at 12:58 AM

I can't think of any.

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

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on November 24, 2012
at 01:05 AM

Trying to understand a nut being a "fatty carb" ... it's mostly fat, some protein, some fiber and very little sugar ... eh, just semantics I suppose ...

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on November 24, 2012
at 12:20 AM

What are some examples of naturally-occurring "fatty carbs" other than nuts and seeds?

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on November 23, 2012
at 03:45 PM

And why would a fatty carb be addictive? I get lots of fats in my diet to begin with, without nuts. So why don't I just crave carbs? Can you explain further? This doesn't illustrate any cause-and-effect.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on November 24, 2012
at 02:38 PM

I only buy raw organic nuts, and for the most part, I don't buy them at all because I do tend to binge on them.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on November 23, 2012
at 10:22 PM

As Dr. Michael Eades put it, fatty carbs have a mouth feel that humans love. As he pointed out, no one gobbles down plain butter, but mix it with powdered sugar and it becomes frosting, which we'll happily consume to great excess. In my own life, the only foods I binge on are fatty carbs.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on November 24, 2012
at 01:38 AM

The nuts I binge on, almonds and cashews, are 15% and 23% carbohydrate as percentage of calories. Interestingly enough, those are some of the carbiest nuts.

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

(1211)

on November 24, 2012
at 01:01 PM

Cashews are my favorite. Do you binge on nuts raw, or more-so when roasted and salted?

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on November 23, 2012
at 10:43 PM

My intuition is that it's to do with containing minerals/nutrients/vitamins that we are deficient in. In my experience, I would be craving nuts for a while, eat 150g of them and then not crave them again for ages. So this would indicate that I'm staving off the deficiency for a while (probably better to eat a small amount every day lol). Sorry I cannot tell you what the specific minerals/nutrients are. Selenium and vitamin E are likely among them.

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on November 23, 2012
at 10:31 PM

Not to be the one with stupid questions, but ... What's wrong with nuts?

I'll gladly accept links to good answers and other reading materials on the subject if you have them. Thanks.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on November 24, 2012
at 05:15 AM

I think if you don't feel bad afterwards in any way, you probably have nothing to worry about. That's my belief, anyway. Munch away, I say.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on November 24, 2012
at 12:23 AM

I never said there is anything inherently wrong with nuts. However, it's so easy to overdo them that the problem becomes: too many nuts. Too often. It weighs down your digestive system, and is pro-inflammatory for people like me, with an autoimmune condition.

583159c8df4177d0761206b06c25b1bf

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on November 24, 2012
at 02:10 AM

Okay, I understand. Thank you. I'm a huge nut eater and snack on them all the time, but I've never had any trouble (I'm a cast iron stomach kind of guy). Still, I'll keep researching because I'm definitely not "in moderation" here. Some concern that I may be doing some invisible damage that will only be revealed as time goes on.

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