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If grain fed animals are bad to eat b/c they have a poor 0-6 ratio, why on earth is it okay to eat nuts and olve oil?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 27, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I'll just repeat the question:

If grain fed animals are bad to eat because it gives them a poor omega-6/omega-3 ratio, why is it okay for humans to consume nuts and olive oil?

Also, nuts come with anti nutritients and gut irritants in a similar way that grains do.

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on April 28, 2012
at 02:02 PM

I agree with you. I eat nuts only in small amounts, very occasionally, and I don't eat olive oil at all.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on April 28, 2012
at 03:22 AM

Nuts usually are in hard shells. Which in the wild would be hard to crack many at a time. You can easily get them in the store shelled and over eat them as a result. I don't recall we ever moved pass anti-nutrients and lectins. They cause quite a few people gut problems. For me I will get rashes if I over eat them. Plus for not being a hippy.

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on April 28, 2012
at 02:51 AM

Exactly right. So, nuts, except macadamia, in small amounts exactly because of the poor ratios. I seemed to recall even Robb and Loren in their books to say exactly that about nuts.

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on April 28, 2012
at 02:09 AM

with the exception of Coconut and Avocado, I really don't eat very many nuts and I don't eat Olive Oil at all. Well, I do LOVE almonds, macadamias, and pistachios - but I don't eat them very often. I personally think it's "ok" to eat them, just not carte blanche, build yourself a cabin of almonds and eat your way out sort of thing.

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on April 28, 2012
at 12:11 AM

Beef is low in PUFA as well, so omega-3/6 ratio is even less important.

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on April 27, 2012
at 08:21 PM

thanks for the link. Will give it perusal.

Ba09704971e33481f5716c4790648966

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on April 27, 2012
at 08:00 PM

It's more about the stability of the fat. Saturated fats being the most stability, polyunsaturated being the least. Saturated and monounsaturated, although less so than saturated, do have some anti-inflammatory effects, so perhaps they do negate the inflammation from the omega-6. All about balance, I think.

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(14952)

on April 27, 2012
at 07:30 PM

Do monounsaturates somehow negate the effects of omega 6?

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on April 27, 2012
at 07:38 PM

In my opinion, promoting the consumption of grass/forage based animals (vs grain fed) based on "improved o3-06 ratios" is a weak argument at best.

As discussed in a previous Mark's Daily Apple Post (The Difference Between Grass-fed and Grain-fed Beef) grain fed animals don't necessarily have so much more 06 than their grass fed counterparts, they just lack 03. This can be remedied by taking a few fish oil capsules.

As you said in your original post, consumption of large quantities of nuts/seeds would contribute a much more significant quantity of 06 to ones diet, and if this is a concern, limiting their consumption would be much more effective than swapping grain-fed for grass-fed meat.

I do think that from an animal welfare perspective, from a holistic nutrition perspective, and an economic/ecological sustainability standpoint, grass-based animal husbandry is superior to intensive feedlot systems.

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on April 28, 2012
at 12:11 AM

Beef is low in PUFA as well, so omega-3/6 ratio is even less important.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 27, 2012
at 08:21 PM

thanks for the link. Will give it perusal.

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on April 27, 2012
at 08:28 PM

I thought we had moved passed this whole anti-nutrient, fear of phytic acid thing? I guess not. Nuts are food. Eat them. I seriously doubt something as simple as a nut, that can be foraged and eaten in its natural state is "bad," for you. Maybe with nuts you exercise the "dose makes the poison," rationale. Also, maybe just look at the bigger picture, so okay maybe nuts contain phytic acid, but at the same time Brazil nuts are wrought with Selenium and almonds rich in Vit E. For me it comes down to choosing my battles... and the avoiding nut thing is just that, nuts.

As for grain v. grass fed, I agree with the others, aside from nutrient value there is a concern about the ecological impact of the animal.. not to mention the welfare of the animal. If you want to get super hippie-dippie about it you could make the argument that a stressed animal is less nutritious because of the stress it endured during its life... Not sure I believe all that.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on April 28, 2012
at 03:22 AM

Nuts usually are in hard shells. Which in the wild would be hard to crack many at a time. You can easily get them in the store shelled and over eat them as a result. I don't recall we ever moved pass anti-nutrients and lectins. They cause quite a few people gut problems. For me I will get rashes if I over eat them. Plus for not being a hippy.

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Ba09704971e33481f5716c4790648966

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on April 27, 2012
at 07:27 PM

Olive oil is mostly monounsaturated, so in that regard it's better than most oils. Doesn't mean you should go crazy with it though.

The fat profile of nuts varies considerably too. Macadamia nuts are high in monounsaturated fats. When it comes to nuts, they should really be eaten in moderation, if at all. Nuts are meant to be eaten a few at a time, not in mass quantities.

That is my take on it.

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on April 27, 2012
at 07:30 PM

Do monounsaturates somehow negate the effects of omega 6?

Ba09704971e33481f5716c4790648966

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on April 27, 2012
at 08:00 PM

It's more about the stability of the fat. Saturated fats being the most stability, polyunsaturated being the least. Saturated and monounsaturated, although less so than saturated, do have some anti-inflammatory effects, so perhaps they do negate the inflammation from the omega-6. All about balance, I think.

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on April 28, 2012
at 11:32 AM

I used to eat cupcakes and candy bars, pop and potato chips. When it comes to nuts and olive oil, I don't sweat it. I feel like my diet has improved so drastically from a year ago, I can stand to have a few nuts. I understand wanting the most optimal health you can have. That's everyone's wish on here, I think. All the above information is great and very helpful, but I, personally, have a hard time getting so hung up on the science. If it's a whole, natural food, I usually give myself permission to eat it. That doesn't mean I eat a truck load of it. But I don't get too wrapped up in the science and ratios thing, personally. I find it's too stressful for me :)

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on April 27, 2012
at 07:57 PM

I agree with the sustainability of grassfed/pastured cows over factory farms. And also that these animals simply have more O3 than their factory-farmed counterparts - not less O6.

Which has nothing to do with your question re nuts. I don't eat a lot of nuts. When I do, I try to go for macadamia, even though they're hideously expensive where I am. That's ok, though, because I eat them very rarely. Honestly, I try to stay away from seeds/nuts for the same reason as grains: antinutrients, inflammatory, etc. If I had to choose between nuts and a piece of bread, I'd pick the nuts. Other than that, I'll pass, thanks.

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on April 28, 2012
at 02:53 PM

Useful link here: http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.co.uk/2010/09/low-omega-6-to-omega-3-ratio-grain-fed.html

I'm a little confused on olive oil, because of the high O6:3 ratio. He seems to say the absolute level of O6 is low + the absence of linoleic acid is the crucial thing.

In another article he warns off walnuts because of high absolute level of O6.

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on April 27, 2012
at 09:05 PM

Grass-fed meat is preferable to conventional-farmed meat for the reasons listed above. I'd also add E.Coli contamination. That doesn't mean I don't eat conventional meat if that what is available to me, I just cook it thoroughly. And supplement extra Omega 3s.

As for nuts, they may be OK for some people, but they make my immune system go haywire and my digestive system revolt. There's no workaround to mitigate those effects for me. So I don't eat them at all. They aren't necessary to adequatley feed my body, like I feel meat is.

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on April 27, 2012
at 08:23 PM

the rationale is that we should eat the most optimal foods available. grass fed is more optimal than grain fed. there is really only one "almond", but we advocate eating fresh, raw and soaked in small amounts over fistfuls of honey roasted.

one's 06/03 ratio is best evaluated over the entire day and not by individual foods.

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