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Is anyone on here a bodybuilder or fitness model?

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Created June 14, 2011 at 5:29 PM

If so how much fat do you eat? The fitness competitors in my gym stay away from fat or eat the wrong kinds and it just seems like it would put then in a state of inflammation yet they do see results. Are they seeing results despite making fat choice mistakes? Since fat doesn't make a person fat, why don't they eat butter and egg yolks and optimize their metabolism with it? Or maybe eating for health is different than eating for bodybuilding where there is a leanness factor. Am I missing something that fat does to the look of someone who is trying to get ripped and shredded? I want to hear of real world examples of someone experimenting with this.

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on June 13, 2012
at 05:23 PM

Here's what I wonder: can you get ripped and lean but stay healthy and functionally strong by eating paleo with healthy fats included? Without caloric restriction and measuring everything?? As a woman?

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on June 20, 2011
at 12:09 PM

thats kind of outdated. I follow and read many pro bodybuilders and all of them do not fear fat. They recognize that sat fat is fine, fat is absolutely essential, n3s are important, grains generally are less-than-ideal, etc. Many of them are, perhaps unbeknownst to them, all but paleo.

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on June 19, 2011
at 02:47 AM

what, no more stand-up tanning beds? i totally agree. that was so last week. duvet covers are definitely the way to go for the pre-solstice weekend.

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on June 15, 2011
at 03:13 AM

Man, I'm setting a difficult precedent

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on June 14, 2011
at 08:41 PM

I agree... +1 for bolus on back to back days. Wicked!

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on June 14, 2011
at 07:37 PM

Peltier- I've definitely known some crazy juiced mofos. My point is that the vast majority of bodybuilders are natural and not very big at all. Without steroids, GH, and insulin, one can only get so beefy.

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:53 PM

Glad I could help. Unlike Kamal, I do know quite a few bodybuilders in all phases of their careers from amateur to pro to retired. I have seen first hand what goes on physically as well as mentally. N I have seen whats left when its all said and done. Please remember, just because someone "looks amazing" on the outside, doesn't mean there's not something festering on the inside.

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:47 PM

Perfect thank you bro!!!!!

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:44 PM

Thanks for the vince gironda name, that's more of what I am looking for. I am not going to talk anyone out of bodybuilding, that's not my role. My friend looks amazing and is not bulky at all. He's far from Arnold, just like Kamal wrote he's amateur.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:32 PM

Good call by Peltier for correctly depicting modern-day bodybuilders.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:32 PM

We must frequent different gyms, Kamal.

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:21 PM

In my limited experience, more than 90% of bodybuilders are not juiced, and are not bulky enough to limit something like climbing stairs. For every IFBB Mr. Olympia, there are 1,000 average Joes who do one or two tested amateur contests. They eat chicken, fish, veggies, and protein shakes for large chunks of the year. In clothes, you can't really tell that they compete, other than some noticable leanness. Not that bad compared to the average American!

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:12 PM

+1 for squeezing "bolus" in there again, Ben. Plus, as usual, I love your answers.

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Not at all Ben. I love and respect the art of bodybuilding. Lived on Venice Beach back in the 80's. I have many competitive bodybuilding friends. It requires HUGE amounts of discipline. However, once they step off the posing platform and into the real-y real world, I dominate. As Dirty Harry would say, "A mans got to know his limitations."

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:04 PM

In terms of what I did....excessive cardio and spot muscle focus along with very very low fat and calories. Dehydration before a comp is norm. Also diuretics is a staple.

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:01 PM

wow, Pelt, pretty big chip on your shoulder eh?

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on June 14, 2011
at 05:57 PM

This all may be true but I am looking for what works for bodybuilding. I am not trying to emulate them. I have a friend who is one and that's what he wants to do and he wins these things...titles, money. He's open-minded and I am trying to help him but I don't want to sabotage his goals. BB is his choice. It seems all I meet or talk to is body builders who don't eat healthy or healthy people who don't bodybuild. I want to hear of people's first hand experiences with fat and bodybuilding.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 14, 2011
at 05:47 PM

Research Vince Gironda, "The Original Paleo Bodybuilder". He advocated steak and eggs PWO and up to 36 raw eggs a day, back in the 50's. He was considered "too ripped" by that era's standards. However, todays bodybuilders are built on two things...."juice" and insulin release from carbs. IMO, these people are hardly people to emulate. Hardly "Beacons Of Health." Its called PMS- Puffy Muscle Syndrome. All show and no go. This is the sad state of public perception as to what is healthy. Much like skinless chicken breasts, egg whites, and cardio. Bodybuilders are anything but healthy, despite their appearance. They wreak havoc daily on their endocrine systems. Its not functional strength or as Bruce Lee put it, "Real World Power." Show me a bodybuilder, and I will show you a guy (who can't get it up!) or gal who cannot climb a rope, pull him/herself through a window, or run a few flights of stairs carrying a small child or a few bags of groceries. Sure hope they never have to flee a burning building, get a cat out of a tree, or rescue someone from drowning. They can't fight. They suck at "Hide n Seek" cuz they can't sprint and are too big to hide. Oh, and heaven forbid they miss a meal! The blood sugar drop causes them to throw the biggest temper tantrum you ever saw in your life!

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:44 PM

Thanks for the vince gironda name, that's more of what I am looking for. I am not going to talk anyone out of bodybuilding, that's not my role. My friend looks amazing and is not bulky at all. He's far from Arnold, just like Kamal wrote he's amateur.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 14, 2011
at 06:53 PM

Glad I could help. Unlike Kamal, I do know quite a few bodybuilders in all phases of their careers from amateur to pro to retired. I have seen first hand what goes on physically as well as mentally. N I have seen whats left when its all said and done. Please remember, just because someone "looks amazing" on the outside, doesn't mean there's not something festering on the inside.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 14, 2011
at 06:21 PM

In my limited experience, more than 90% of bodybuilders are not juiced, and are not bulky enough to limit something like climbing stairs. For every IFBB Mr. Olympia, there are 1,000 average Joes who do one or two tested amateur contests. They eat chicken, fish, veggies, and protein shakes for large chunks of the year. In clothes, you can't really tell that they compete, other than some noticable leanness. Not that bad compared to the average American!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 14, 2011
at 06:32 PM

Good call by Peltier for correctly depicting modern-day bodybuilders.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 14, 2011
at 06:01 PM

wow, Pelt, pretty big chip on your shoulder eh?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 14, 2011
at 07:37 PM

Peltier- I've definitely known some crazy juiced mofos. My point is that the vast majority of bodybuilders are natural and not very big at all. Without steroids, GH, and insulin, one can only get so beefy.

Medium avatar

(178)

on June 14, 2011
at 05:57 PM

This all may be true but I am looking for what works for bodybuilding. I am not trying to emulate them. I have a friend who is one and that's what he wants to do and he wins these things...titles, money. He's open-minded and I am trying to help him but I don't want to sabotage his goals. BB is his choice. It seems all I meet or talk to is body builders who don't eat healthy or healthy people who don't bodybuild. I want to hear of people's first hand experiences with fat and bodybuilding.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 14, 2011
at 06:32 PM

We must frequent different gyms, Kamal.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 14, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Not at all Ben. I love and respect the art of bodybuilding. Lived on Venice Beach back in the 80's. I have many competitive bodybuilding friends. It requires HUGE amounts of discipline. However, once they step off the posing platform and into the real-y real world, I dominate. As Dirty Harry would say, "A mans got to know his limitations."

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:06 PM

i think the simplest reasoning is that their caloric needs sometimes simply leave no room for a bolus of fat. Anyone interested in growing or maintain large muscle mass must first address protein needs.

Then they need/want carbohydrate to be able to fully perform with their lifting and to keep muscles full of glycogen and physically large/swollen. This is usually somewhere around equal to their protein intake in grams.

Then you are left with fat for the remainder of your calories. There sometimes, due to large needs for protein and needs/wants for those carbohydrates mentioned above, is simply not a lot of caloric room before they take in too many calories and start storing as body fat.

This is not true only for bodybuilders by the way.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:12 PM

+1 for squeezing "bolus" in there again, Ben. Plus, as usual, I love your answers.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 15, 2011
at 03:13 AM

Man, I'm setting a difficult precedent

31cd30cb210f9d13bf990a3410fce31c

(423)

on June 14, 2011
at 08:41 PM

I agree... +1 for bolus on back to back days. Wicked!

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:02 PM

I have friends who are into fitness modeling and there was a time I got pretty ripped. If you ask them what they do 12 weeks before a comp it will blow your mind. They all say it is not sustainable and many get very weak, Moody, and obssessive about food. For me, I was very low fat and it had a huge impact on my mood. I had to eat every 2 hours and was hypoglycemic. It is not a healthy lifestyle. While they look good by American plastic standards they experience a lot of illness and physical pain. Check out some of the blogs of the women who do this and their tone is very sad the week before they compete. I think the women who play Olympic volleyball have the bodies that look healthy and toned. They also appear to have a happier disposition.

On a final note, the fitness models seem to have a low self esteem. The girls I know like them are never happy with his they look.

EDIT: After coming across a woman who is a figure model on the paleo diet, I decided to prove myself wrong about my above statement. I did a quick search and found these women:

http://www.paleobrands.com/2010/03/figure-show-on-a-paleo-diet/

http://primalwomeninthekitchen.blogspot.com/

In fact, I'm thinking of taking it up just to see if I can :) Appears that paleo could probably make the figure/fitness modelling world a healthier place!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 14, 2011
at 06:04 PM

In terms of what I did....excessive cardio and spot muscle focus along with very very low fat and calories. Dehydration before a comp is norm. Also diuretics is a staple.

14e1dbdd25db00d2c9db36d6a695f6cb

(159)

on June 13, 2012
at 05:23 PM

Here's what I wonder: can you get ripped and lean but stay healthy and functionally strong by eating paleo with healthy fats included? Without caloric restriction and measuring everything?? As a woman?

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on June 19, 2011
at 09:25 PM

I look like a fitness model (but a bit skinnier than most because I have trouble gaining mass, especially in my arms- also I do not have breast implants). I am just naturally lean, as are many people who do figure competition. I eat ridiculously high in fat and calories, and I eat moderate carbs too.

The reason most figure competitors/bodybuilders eat like they do is a combination of dogma/CW, and the fact that many of them try to cut their body fat to incredibly low levels and need to eat super-low-calorie to do so - they need to the carbs to fuel workouts, the protein to maintain and build muscles, and there is no room for the fat.

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on June 14, 2011
at 11:56 PM

Contest diets are as diverse as the dietary universe on the whole. If you look @ diets done by Dave Palumbo he uses a pretty high fat - keto style diet. You could easily turn that into a Paleo diet with a little tweaking. Lots of body builders diet on Keto or similar strategies. They are just typically incorporating carb based refeeds which makes it tricky to stay paleo and get super high levels of fast carbs.

The trick is getting carbs high enough when they need to be with out going to processed grains or crap sugars etc

T-Nation has a paleo article and a Robb Wolf interview

I've had a couple of competitors prep far closer to paleo and I know Robb Wolf did get a client onto the figure stage - so it definitely can be done it just needs to be thought through in the context of physique versus performance.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:17 PM

Karen, my sister. Try to chase down Joshua Trentine. As far as I know he is one of the only Paleo Pro Bodybuilders (he is a Raw Paleo). He posts on several strength or bodybuilding forums, so you should be able to find him. Also I would think that T-Nation would be a better place to fish than here. You get a number of pretty hard-core bodybuilders over there and some of them are very health conscious as well.

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:47 PM

Perfect thank you bro!!!!!

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on June 14, 2011
at 06:19 PM

Prolonged fat restriction + activity will result in a net loss of fat from your adipocytes as the activity increases lipolysis and the dearth of dietary fat causes them to never be refilled.

The problem for your friend is that he runs into an endocrine wall where his testosterone plummets as a result of the caloric and fat restriction. Assuming he's not using exogenous androgens, his testosterone would likely be double or more on a bulking cycle vs. a cutting one. I'm not sure if it's the primary reason, but part of it is due to pregnenolone steal where the upregulation of cortisol production simply consumes a lot more of the pregnenolone substrate that would have been used to manufacture testosterone in the leydig cells. Another part of it is that the lack of fat makes cholesterol less available, which means less pregnenolone in general.

Natural bodybuilders tend to not be able to handle extreme bulking/cutting cycles due to how much muscle they lose. In addition to losing muscle, the reduction in testosterone downregulates lipolysis, so the goalposts get moved further away.

I think it's possible to increase dietary fat so that the hypothalamus thinks energy is plentiful but also increase activity to balance it out. Really though, he's probably tinkered with a bunch of cutting diets and would be eating more fat if he could get away with it.

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on June 20, 2011
at 11:35 AM

The fitness competitors in my gym stay away from fat or eat the wrong kinds and it just seems like it would put then in a state of inflammation yet they do see results. Are they seeing results despite making fat choice mistakes? Since fat doesn't make a person fat, why don't they eat butter and egg yolks and optimize their metabolism with it? Or maybe eating for health is different than eating for bodybuilding where there is a leanness factor.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 20, 2011
at 12:09 PM

thats kind of outdated. I follow and read many pro bodybuilders and all of them do not fear fat. They recognize that sat fat is fine, fat is absolutely essential, n3s are important, grains generally are less-than-ideal, etc. Many of them are, perhaps unbeknownst to them, all but paleo.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 19, 2011
at 02:28 AM

This all may be true but I am looking for what works for bodybuilding. I am not trying to emulate them. I have a friend who is one and that's what he wants to do and he wins these things...titles, money. He's open-minded and I am trying to help him but I don't want to sabotage his goals

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on June 19, 2011
at 02:47 AM

what, no more stand-up tanning beds? i totally agree. that was so last week. duvet covers are definitely the way to go for the pre-solstice weekend.

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on June 15, 2011
at 02:05 AM

Health and fitness method is now one of the most about the topic of people

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