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Will nutrition or nutrition advice ever “save the world” from obesity?

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Created October 11, 2011 at 1:26 AM

Below is what I believe is a very insightful comment from Kurt Harris (http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=4802#comment-32901).

Will nutrition or nutrition advice ever be capable of ???saving the world??? from obesity? (And do you see the same elephant in the room or not?)

???Seeing as there is no equivalent easily conductable test for FR???

But actually that is the easiest thing of all to test.

1) What do you eat that you can???t stop eating?

2) On your new diet plan (whatever it is), what food do you really look forward to eating when you first wake up in the morning (Credit my wife Victoria Berry DDS for that one) Eliminate it.

These tricks actually work really well to re-start fat loss.

They also make people really, really angry when you propose them. I actually have had people respond by saying they would rather be dead than live life this way. They would rather be fat or have diabetes. Literally. We can???t get people with metastatic cancer to stay on ketogenic diets, so this should be no surprise.

The elephant in the room for fat loss is that for many if not most people they will never achieve healthy fat levels until they stop using food for stimulation and entertainment beyond their nutritional needs.

???I have to admit to not looking forward to the brave new world of unbuttered potatoes and unadorned eggs.???

You are not alone. I think this would be required in principle (not everyone needs to go this far) to actually reverse the obesity epidemic. Most people can get away with buttered eggs and potatoes if they just can the caloric drinks and limit restaurant fare. But the resistance to even these steps is monumental.

For that reason, I predict there will be no progress made at large. There will be victorious skirmishes for a subset of the population that read PHD or maybe my blog and others, but we will not save the world from obesity any more than we will eliminate late industrial corporate capitalism or stop using petroleum.

I did not always see it this way, but 4 years of seeing how people fail eating even the highest quality foods has me fairly convinced this may be true. I do not think obesity can be cured with food quality and macro ratios anymore, even if NAD removal may be of benefit for cancer or inflammation independently of obesity.

Unless you have favorable D2 alleles, EFFORT may be required. But people are too busy playing fantasy football and watching Idol.

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on October 21, 2011
at 10:37 PM

obesity IS inherently unhealthy, its a symptomatic manifestation of an underlying hormonal dysfunction. the same dysfunction leads to the other branches of disease such as cancer/arthritis/autoimmunity etc. No one should be fat if they're truly healthy. if you still are on a Paleo Diet, read the Quilt's leptin prescription post

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on October 12, 2011
at 01:55 AM

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!

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on October 12, 2011
at 01:40 AM

+1 Shari. I have a new rule. Do not take diet advice from thin men.

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on October 11, 2011
at 08:35 PM

I am not saying that this food reward idea doens't belong in the discussion. I would say, in fact, that it absolutely does. I will also say that I find this new focus on it troubling because from personal experience it was trying to adhere to the supposed promise of this idea that kept me fat much longer than I should ever have been. For me it was an utter disaster and I been active in the weight loss community to know I am not alone in this.

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on October 11, 2011
at 06:56 PM

As for "acting like I do"... you are obviously not thinking of the practicality of just me being myself. I don't 'act' a certain way. I just am who I am and people take notice. They ask me things. Many people struggle with diet and they see my confidence/difference. It's a very real pickle I'm in man. Downplay it if you will but you're not foolin anybody.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on October 11, 2011
at 06:56 PM

cliff - easy bro. i don't know what you mean by me never answering in some other thread. i surely don't see every comment written on PH. I rarely eat more than 150g carbs. Most days I eat less than 100. But there was a time in the first half of this year that I might have easily been eclipsing 150. On my first hack thread, I indicate 150-200. And I'm not blaming carbs. I'm simply not ruling them out man.

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:57 PM

you can give people general health without being too absolute about anything.

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:56 PM

You obviously don't know what to do so don't act like you do an there won't be any pressure from your family and friends. I think carbs the best, quilt and crew think low carb is the best. Figure out what wors fr yu.

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:53 PM

Do whatever you want, quilt is the one using as an example. You never answered in the other thread if you eat more than 150g of carbs since you've been paleo. I don't get how you blame the carbs when your diets mostly fat.

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:25 PM

But I believe if I can get this right, I can live an optimized life as least as best I am able to (starting from 30 years old basically). I wish I could have started in the womb. For that, my new one on the way (which is a boy btw) will have that chance. Mama is doing excellent. She is the cutest/hottest preggo girl I have ever seen, and tons of girls are super jealous of her. She feels super with zero ailments, stays in amazing shape, and tested at 78 HDL with 45 trigs. We cook together. We eat all the same stuff. Anyone who says genetics doesn't play a role is kidding themselves.

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:23 PM

In the end, people will inevitably think what they will. That's the way it goes.

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Aside from basic self preservation (you know, like not dying)... part of my motivation to get it right is that many people are looking to me as an example of excellent health. it's a lot of pressure. All my family. All my close friends. Many co-workers. They know I am very fit. They know I eat "differently". I would hate to have some obscure problem (like high iron, or low T, or hypoT, or too much starch, or dairy proteins, or too much coconut oil etc etc) make people believe that everything else I represent to them about eating healthy is all garbage. That would not be fair to reality.

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Aside from basic self preservation (you, not dying)... part of my motivation to get it right is that many people are looking to me as an example of excellent health. it's a lot of pressure. All my family. All my close friends. Many co-workers. They know I am very fit. They know I eat "differently". I would hate to have some obscure problem (like high iron, or low T, or hypoT, or too much starch, or dairy proteins, or too much coconut oil etc etc) make people believe that everything else I represent to them about eating healthy is all garbage. That would not be fair to reality.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:14 PM

cliff - VLC may not be my answer. And sure, I might have HypoT (probably have at least a mild case of it). We're still trying to figure that out. But since being on loads of starch (with more than 50% coming from tubers), my labs have gone to the trash and I have a bad feeling in my chest much of the time. Quilt has ideas about what would help me. You do too and they are nearly polar opposite. Travis has got some interesting ideas. Grace has some too. You can all say all you want how easy it is for me to make a choice about which direction to take. But you're not me. It's not clear cut yet.

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on October 11, 2011
at 03:39 PM

@Shari- KGH said for many people all you have to do is can the caloric drinks and limit restaurant fare. For some people, their lot in life is that they can’t demand pleasure from every single meal and remain thin at the same time. Some people can do this and some just can’t. It doesn't seem very paleo to demand pleasure out of every single meal; in the scheme of human evolution and history, that looks like an eating disorder. You have to know what you can get away with and what you can’t. It doesn't mean no highly pleasurable meals; just maybe fewer ones. For some that is too much compromise

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on October 11, 2011
at 12:18 PM

What if you eat VLC and you are rotting on the inside and out which seems to happen to so many? Riddle me that quilty

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 11, 2011
at 12:07 PM

Those beer guzzlng, burrito eating surfers are probably a lot healthier ta most people on paleohacks. Most these guys ae still charging a 70, 80 and into there 90s. Who knows what will happen to the new generation but its clear to me exercising is one of the most important parts of health. Your so on this jack kronk guy quilt its a joke at this point, his problem could be s simple as hypothyroidism(which makes the most sense imo). What are you gonna do when VLC doesn't work for him or makes his health worse in the long term?

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on October 11, 2011
at 11:03 AM

Dr. K, I'd be more optimistic, but my day job gives me a bit of insight on the challenges of meaningful behavioral change at a population level. Hope you're right!

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on October 11, 2011
at 11:00 AM

Happy Now, thanks so much!! Dr. K, I'd be more optimistic, but my day job gives me a bit of insight on the challenges of meaningful behavioral change at a population level. Hope you're right!

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 11, 2011
at 10:52 AM

I'm fond of Taubes' "what makes us fat, makes us sick" but OTOH fat tissue is not benign. It does have a role in inflammation among other things. But for most folks, I think the diet plays a bigger role.

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on October 11, 2011
at 10:02 AM

Very interesting. The irony is that the very thing Taubes was fighting against --blaming the overweight because they are lazy -- has now come back in another form.

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on October 11, 2011
at 08:47 AM

I do feel like I'm holding a lit match in a room full of dynamite sometimes, like this whole thing is going explode in big and beautiful ways, but I often suffer from bouts of cynicism when I come in contact with public policy regarding what is healthy. Historically, it has taken a generation or two for public opinion to change in ways that affect policy, but maybe with the new mass communication abilities we have, change can happen faster. Your optimism is contagious, I've recommended your blog to a number of people, and every single one of them has come back fired up, so please keep it up.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 11, 2011
at 04:40 AM

Jacks case is going to open the flood gates. This is a topic that is going to really explode by next AHS.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 11, 2011
at 04:39 AM

look at Jack Kronk. He is why I blog. Other MD bloggers seem to believe the Jacks of this world dont exist. I am still amazed at how one can say what they say and yet when you visit paleo/primal forums everywhere there are lots of Jacks around. The not so funny part is that there are not too many practioners with real world experience who know what to do. I am not talking theory. I am talking patient successes. This is why we paleo has to evolve from blogging to doing something about it.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 11, 2011
at 04:34 AM

Shari.....very interesting take. Plus one for sharing it

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on October 11, 2011
at 03:05 AM

Yeah that's the thing, I see very lean but (probably) very unhealthy people all the time. I just got back from southern california and there were piles of guys walking around at 10-12% purely as a result of surfing. I'm sure their diets are mostly burritos and beer.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 11, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Well, let me ask you this. What if you eat like Paleo 1.0 or 2.0 says and you move and lift and you look great but your rotting on the inside? What does that say about the lifestyle?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 11, 2011
at 02:55 AM

I happen to have a very different perspective that is quite optimistic about this very topic.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 11, 2011
at 02:54 AM

I think when you look through the optic of macronutrients you maybe right. I think when you force yourself out of the box you might feel differently. I do not know what will get you to look at it differently.

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on October 11, 2011
at 02:50 AM

Well said Happy, I remember hearing somewhere that obesity is just a symptom of disease, not a disease itself. I can see it going both ways but that's an intriguing question.

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on October 11, 2011
at 02:47 AM

This also opens up the question: Is obesity inherently unhealthy and therefore needing to be cured, or is it the diseases that are typically associated with it that need to be cured for someone to be healthy?

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on October 11, 2011
at 02:06 AM

I think letting go of "skinny" as the only proper proportions for a human needs to be accepted at some point in the public mind for healthy eating to have any chance. People come to places like this to try and figure out how they too can look like a super model, but there is a lot of folly in that desire. In our current society, if people get healthy, but not skinny they don't see the point in sticking with any particular diet. There are those of us who are stocky peasant folk. I can look really in shape, and be rock solid, but lanky ain't never gonna happen.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on October 11, 2011
at 01:59 AM

Oooh, I love the smoking analogy. This is going to take several generations before there could possibly be any real progress. It is much easier to start clean than to change one's eating habits once feeling nurtured becomes synonymous with crap food in an individual. A few more generations of people falling apart before their time and just feeling too blah to participate in life in a meaningful because of nutrient deficiencies will start to become recognized by society as a whole. We have to wait for the people who make their fortunes selling corn and wheat to pass away first though.

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on October 11, 2011
at 01:58 AM

+1 "I say this is a lot of barking up the wrong tree"....gotta enjoy it on some level.

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on October 11, 2011
at 01:53 AM

The premise that no one can lose weight unless they get nothing from food but nutrition is faulty. I believe and advise people who are looking to lose weight coming off of SAD to work towards creating a new life where dinner isn't' the most exciting thing you did all day long. However you can still hold great interest in food and still use food as a vehicle to express creativity, sociability, nurturing, and yes as an emotional outlet while focused on a whole foods, healthy diet. It doesn't have to be either/or. If "food as fuel" resonates with you then great go live a life devoid of any pleasure from food. I don't happen to think we are wired this way and surely we aren't socialized this way so why the insistence that this way is the only way to lose weight and keep it off? I for one, spend more time, energy, money and other resources on food now than I did at 300lbs+ I have no desire nor plans to change that either. I say this is a lot of barking up the wrong tree.

I do believe that proper nutrition is an important part of losing weight and gaining health and one would have to be a complete moron not to but it is only one piece of the puzzle. What I react strongly to is the implication in KH's words that fat (and sick) people are just stupid and lazy. Food IS a part of our lives far beyond nutrition and to imply that anyone who can't just shut that off is some sort of idiot or worse is to deny the strong part that culture, socialization and pleasure among other things play in our humanity. Unfortunately not everyone is as strong as our distinguished Dr. Rice Crispy but that's just the way it is. To offer up his plan of abstinence as the only solution and if you can't hack that you're a big fat loser just shows me how little he understands about the human condition.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 11, 2011
at 01:58 AM

+1 "I say this is a lot of barking up the wrong tree"....gotta enjoy it on some level.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on October 11, 2011
at 08:35 PM

I am not saying that this food reward idea doens't belong in the discussion. I would say, in fact, that it absolutely does. I will also say that I find this new focus on it troubling because from personal experience it was trying to adhere to the supposed promise of this idea that kept me fat much longer than I should ever have been. For me it was an utter disaster and I been active in the weight loss community to know I am not alone in this.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on October 11, 2011
at 10:02 AM

Very interesting. The irony is that the very thing Taubes was fighting against --blaming the overweight because they are lazy -- has now come back in another form.

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

(2861)

on October 11, 2011
at 03:39 PM

@Shari- KGH said for many people all you have to do is can the caloric drinks and limit restaurant fare. For some people, their lot in life is that they can’t demand pleasure from every single meal and remain thin at the same time. Some people can do this and some just can’t. It doesn't seem very paleo to demand pleasure out of every single meal; in the scheme of human evolution and history, that looks like an eating disorder. You have to know what you can get away with and what you can’t. It doesn't mean no highly pleasurable meals; just maybe fewer ones. For some that is too much compromise

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 11, 2011
at 04:34 AM

Shari.....very interesting take. Plus one for sharing it

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on October 12, 2011
at 01:40 AM

+1 Shari. I have a new rule. Do not take diet advice from thin men.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on October 12, 2011
at 01:55 AM

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!

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on October 11, 2011
at 01:45 AM

Interesting timing ... just published a blog post on this very subject a couple of minutes ago (using the very same comment). As long as nutrition advice is all over the place as it is now (eat carbs, don't eat carbs, eat meat, eat plants, eat less, move more, exercise doesn't help etc), the average person is going to just say I've got enough stress in my life, please pass the Doritos. I also think that there is going to be real tension over the next couple of decades because corporations make money selling us the stuff that makes us fat and sick, and make even more selling us the stuff that temporarily makes us thinner and healthier.

So I totally get what I called Kurt's pessimistic prediction. But I believe it's still well worth it to try and get the word out. I posted an ad from the 50s or 60s that showed how many doctors smoked Camels. We haven't gotten rid of cigarette smoking in a half century, but it's still been worth the effort to help folks stop smoking. I think the same is true with nutrition, and I think the ancestral perspective has a lot to offer.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 11, 2011
at 02:54 AM

I think when you look through the optic of macronutrients you maybe right. I think when you force yourself out of the box you might feel differently. I do not know what will get you to look at it differently.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 11, 2011
at 02:55 AM

I happen to have a very different perspective that is quite optimistic about this very topic.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 11, 2011
at 11:03 AM

Dr. K, I'd be more optimistic, but my day job gives me a bit of insight on the challenges of meaningful behavioral change at a population level. Hope you're right!

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 11, 2011
at 11:00 AM

Happy Now, thanks so much!! Dr. K, I'd be more optimistic, but my day job gives me a bit of insight on the challenges of meaningful behavioral change at a population level. Hope you're right!

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on October 11, 2011
at 01:59 AM

Oooh, I love the smoking analogy. This is going to take several generations before there could possibly be any real progress. It is much easier to start clean than to change one's eating habits once feeling nurtured becomes synonymous with crap food in an individual. A few more generations of people falling apart before their time and just feeling too blah to participate in life in a meaningful because of nutrient deficiencies will start to become recognized by society as a whole. We have to wait for the people who make their fortunes selling corn and wheat to pass away first though.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on October 11, 2011
at 08:47 AM

I do feel like I'm holding a lit match in a room full of dynamite sometimes, like this whole thing is going explode in big and beautiful ways, but I often suffer from bouts of cynicism when I come in contact with public policy regarding what is healthy. Historically, it has taken a generation or two for public opinion to change in ways that affect policy, but maybe with the new mass communication abilities we have, change can happen faster. Your optimism is contagious, I've recommended your blog to a number of people, and every single one of them has come back fired up, so please keep it up.

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on October 11, 2011
at 02:46 AM

I've been investing a lot of time lately into actually adding flab to myself (which I do by eating tons of fat by the way), testing a fat loss hypothesis and repeating. I keep thinking that I'm going to stumble onto something that magically makes fat disappear without any effort and then I can just spread the word. Every single protocol I've tested that has been strikingly effective has involved a ton of activity and very low reward eating. I didn't really buy into the food reward theory at first and kind of dismissed it as being so far on the list below fructose etc., but sure enough, every time I put together a cutting diet that actually works, it happens to be very low reward.

I think one problem with paleo is that somehow the word got out that there's this diet where you eat as much bacon as you want and sit around and your fat vanishes. This may be true for a select few people (probably males with considerable muscle mass) but to actually get down to the bodyfat % you truly desire and maintain it requires some real discipline.

A lot of people really buck at the idea of reenacting HG lifeways, but an evolutionarily consistent level of activity coupled with much lower dietary fat than an HG eats will take most people down closer to their desired BF%. At that point they can up the fat and eat as much as an HG would who wants to not lose weight while still exercising a lot and maintain the loss.

I don't believe that there exists a healthy diet that can compensate for a sedentary lifestyle. We want to be highly active so that we can eat more and thus have a greater overall nutrient intake while remaining lean. Caloric restriction is nutrient restriction.

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on October 11, 2011
at 03:05 AM

Yeah that's the thing, I see very lean but (probably) very unhealthy people all the time. I just got back from southern california and there were piles of guys walking around at 10-12% purely as a result of surfing. I'm sure their diets are mostly burritos and beer.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 11, 2011
at 12:07 PM

Those beer guzzlng, burrito eating surfers are probably a lot healthier ta most people on paleohacks. Most these guys ae still charging a 70, 80 and into there 90s. Who knows what will happen to the new generation but its clear to me exercising is one of the most important parts of health. Your so on this jack kronk guy quilt its a joke at this point, his problem could be s simple as hypothyroidism(which makes the most sense imo). What are you gonna do when VLC doesn't work for him or makes his health worse in the long term?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:23 PM

In the end, people will inevitably think what they will. That's the way it goes.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:14 PM

cliff - VLC may not be my answer. And sure, I might have HypoT (probably have at least a mild case of it). We're still trying to figure that out. But since being on loads of starch (with more than 50% coming from tubers), my labs have gone to the trash and I have a bad feeling in my chest much of the time. Quilt has ideas about what would help me. You do too and they are nearly polar opposite. Travis has got some interesting ideas. Grace has some too. You can all say all you want how easy it is for me to make a choice about which direction to take. But you're not me. It's not clear cut yet.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:57 PM

you can give people general health without being too absolute about anything.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on October 11, 2011
at 06:56 PM

cliff - easy bro. i don't know what you mean by me never answering in some other thread. i surely don't see every comment written on PH. I rarely eat more than 150g carbs. Most days I eat less than 100. But there was a time in the first half of this year that I might have easily been eclipsing 150. On my first hack thread, I indicate 150-200. And I'm not blaming carbs. I'm simply not ruling them out man.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 11, 2011
at 04:39 AM

look at Jack Kronk. He is why I blog. Other MD bloggers seem to believe the Jacks of this world dont exist. I am still amazed at how one can say what they say and yet when you visit paleo/primal forums everywhere there are lots of Jacks around. The not so funny part is that there are not too many practioners with real world experience who know what to do. I am not talking theory. I am talking patient successes. This is why we paleo has to evolve from blogging to doing something about it.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:25 PM

But I believe if I can get this right, I can live an optimized life as least as best I am able to (starting from 30 years old basically). I wish I could have started in the womb. For that, my new one on the way (which is a boy btw) will have that chance. Mama is doing excellent. She is the cutest/hottest preggo girl I have ever seen, and tons of girls are super jealous of her. She feels super with zero ailments, stays in amazing shape, and tested at 78 HDL with 45 trigs. We cook together. We eat all the same stuff. Anyone who says genetics doesn't play a role is kidding themselves.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 11, 2011
at 12:18 PM

What if you eat VLC and you are rotting on the inside and out which seems to happen to so many? Riddle me that quilty

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 11, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Well, let me ask you this. What if you eat like Paleo 1.0 or 2.0 says and you move and lift and you look great but your rotting on the inside? What does that say about the lifestyle?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 11, 2011
at 04:40 AM

Jacks case is going to open the flood gates. This is a topic that is going to really explode by next AHS.

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:56 PM

You obviously don't know what to do so don't act like you do an there won't be any pressure from your family and friends. I think carbs the best, quilt and crew think low carb is the best. Figure out what wors fr yu.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on October 11, 2011
at 06:56 PM

As for "acting like I do"... you are obviously not thinking of the practicality of just me being myself. I don't 'act' a certain way. I just am who I am and people take notice. They ask me things. Many people struggle with diet and they see my confidence/difference. It's a very real pickle I'm in man. Downplay it if you will but you're not foolin anybody.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Aside from basic self preservation (you know, like not dying)... part of my motivation to get it right is that many people are looking to me as an example of excellent health. it's a lot of pressure. All my family. All my close friends. Many co-workers. They know I am very fit. They know I eat "differently". I would hate to have some obscure problem (like high iron, or low T, or hypoT, or too much starch, or dairy proteins, or too much coconut oil etc etc) make people believe that everything else I represent to them about eating healthy is all garbage. That would not be fair to reality.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Aside from basic self preservation (you, not dying)... part of my motivation to get it right is that many people are looking to me as an example of excellent health. it's a lot of pressure. All my family. All my close friends. Many co-workers. They know I am very fit. They know I eat "differently". I would hate to have some obscure problem (like high iron, or low T, or hypoT, or too much starch, or dairy proteins, or too much coconut oil etc etc) make people believe that everything else I represent to them about eating healthy is all garbage. That would not be fair to reality.

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on October 11, 2011
at 05:53 PM

Do whatever you want, quilt is the one using as an example. You never answered in the other thread if you eat more than 150g of carbs since you've been paleo. I don't get how you blame the carbs when your diets mostly fat.

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on October 11, 2011
at 01:52 AM

He just now realized this? Meh, most doctors with holistic leans think that if only the public knew what we know they would do what we do....its just basically not true. I think about 20% of the population can be saved by learning how to live better (nutrition, exercise, bodywork, mental attitude). The other 80% would rather scarf down some crap with their prescriptions and call it all good (even though they may know better). Why? Can you blame drug ads...the internet..video games...dunno. But, the other fact remains that there is still that 20%....just get the message out to everyone so that those 2/10 hear it.

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