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Which diets did NOT improve your chronic/terminal/mental disease?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 11, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Hi guys, I want to ask you all for help. There are a lot of accounts out there of people curing their serious illness and/or improving their health to an amazing level, by eating a specific diet (for example paleo, but also these accounts exist for other diets). As I am suffering from a few ilnesses of my own, and in addition am considering to study nutrition and health (at a good university), I'm very curious if there may be an underlying mechanism that explains why some diets work for some persons, and other diets for others. I could really use your help! Please tell me your story. I'm very interested in - your medical condition (be it chronic, terminal or mental disease) - what diet you have tried in the past (and for how long, and why did you try?) - the effect of those (did it work, neutral, or not, and why) - what you eat currently and what this does for your health - if you believe diet can cure your specific disease or can improve your health status

Thanks so much in advance for your story. This really helps me a lot with my own health situation and finding direction in considering becoming a nutrition scientist.

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on March 19, 2013
at 06:29 PM

Multiple anecdotes can be somewhat useful in very specific questions (I am X, have condition Y, should I eat Z?) For a very very general issue (can diet help with a disease) they're kinda useless. As for stories, sorry, I don't have a terminal or a chronic disease. As to mental, well, it's not up to me to judge :D

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on March 19, 2013
at 03:53 PM

Thanks so much for this reply. How is your anxiety and depression? Can you compare this with 5 years ago, or even better, accross diets?

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on March 19, 2013
at 03:52 PM

Exactly. Also, I'm not looking for data, I'm looking for stories. So please do tell yours :)

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on March 18, 2013
at 07:50 PM

It seems like the paleo community uses multiple anecdotes as data all the time. There's not really an alternative, pending large, well-designed randomized trials with personally relevant outcome measures. And when most people who stick around a community and talk about a diet are ones who liked it, I think it can be very instructive to hear about things that didn't work.

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on March 12, 2013
at 08:05 AM

Ok. This was beyond the scope of my question, but what really helps my depression is "focussing". For me, depression is a fog in which I can't see what I feel. By checking which body part wants the most attention, and then asking it questions like "do you feel angry? do you feel scared?", a physical reaction occurs. So my body gives me feedback wether I'm in the right spot and what's happening with my feelings. And this leads to the fog to dissappear. You can read some more on focussing at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focusing

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on March 12, 2013
at 02:17 AM

No therapy, no medication.

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on March 12, 2013
at 12:12 AM

Thanks so much Canis. Did you try therapy? What therapy did you try?

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on March 11, 2013
at 11:51 PM

Actually .. I just found Eugenia's "Paleo-Ketogenic Diet for Mental Disorders." Excellent read.

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on March 11, 2013
at 11:38 PM

Eugenia: I haven't wholeheartedly yet, but I'm in the VLC range right now and am trying to decide if it's a fluke, or if that or the Nora Gedgaudas regimen of amino acids is what's helping right now. Quite possibly it's both. But these things take a long time to shake down and it's only been a month or so. Thanks for the suggestion, though, I'll research the ketogenic paleo way more closely. Any sources you recommend?

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on March 11, 2013
at 10:37 PM

Did you try the ketogenic version of Paleo? With offal, shellfish, coconut oil and MORE emphasis on fish rather than meat? This is the version that helps mental problems, not the plain Paleo or AI versions of it.

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on March 11, 2013
at 08:13 PM

Depression that waxes and wanes, feels temperamental rather than a disease because I've had it since I can remember anything at all (early memories in my crib). A persistent coming-and-going over the years, an old friend, my worst enemy. Marked by habitual inertia, feelings of meaninglessness, mental and emotional fatigue, affects self esteem on the one hand and drives me into creativity on the other. No "upswings." And much more that I don't have room for in the comment box.

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on March 11, 2013
at 07:57 PM

Thank you so much for your response. Would you be able to specify what chronic depression means to you? How would you describe it?

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0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

on March 11, 2013
at 06:19 PM

Paleo "fixed" a lot of little concerns for me, but did not do much for my chronic depression. I hadn't expected it to. On the other hand, the year plus I spent as a vegetarian (some 20 years ago now) made everything, including depression, infinitely worse.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on March 11, 2013
at 08:13 PM

Depression that waxes and wanes, feels temperamental rather than a disease because I've had it since I can remember anything at all (early memories in my crib). A persistent coming-and-going over the years, an old friend, my worst enemy. Marked by habitual inertia, feelings of meaninglessness, mental and emotional fatigue, affects self esteem on the one hand and drives me into creativity on the other. No "upswings." And much more that I don't have room for in the comment box.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 11, 2013
at 10:37 PM

Did you try the ketogenic version of Paleo? With offal, shellfish, coconut oil and MORE emphasis on fish rather than meat? This is the version that helps mental problems, not the plain Paleo or AI versions of it.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on March 12, 2013
at 02:17 AM

No therapy, no medication.

D8644ecc819aa7fb98ed93eece4befa2

(281)

on March 12, 2013
at 08:05 AM

Ok. This was beyond the scope of my question, but what really helps my depression is "focussing". For me, depression is a fog in which I can't see what I feel. By checking which body part wants the most attention, and then asking it questions like "do you feel angry? do you feel scared?", a physical reaction occurs. So my body gives me feedback wether I'm in the right spot and what's happening with my feelings. And this leads to the fog to dissappear. You can read some more on focussing at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focusing

D8644ecc819aa7fb98ed93eece4befa2

(281)

on March 12, 2013
at 12:12 AM

Thanks so much Canis. Did you try therapy? What therapy did you try?

D8644ecc819aa7fb98ed93eece4befa2

(281)

on March 11, 2013
at 07:57 PM

Thank you so much for your response. Would you be able to specify what chronic depression means to you? How would you describe it?

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on March 11, 2013
at 11:38 PM

Eugenia: I haven't wholeheartedly yet, but I'm in the VLC range right now and am trying to decide if it's a fluke, or if that or the Nora Gedgaudas regimen of amino acids is what's helping right now. Quite possibly it's both. But these things take a long time to shake down and it's only been a month or so. Thanks for the suggestion, though, I'll research the ketogenic paleo way more closely. Any sources you recommend?

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on March 11, 2013
at 11:51 PM

Actually .. I just found Eugenia's "Paleo-Ketogenic Diet for Mental Disorders." Excellent read.

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on March 18, 2013
at 12:32 PM

Low fat vegan made my MS much much worse. Things improved greatly within a few weeks after going paleo. I also did some antibiotic treatment for a chronic infection which was very helpful too but changing my diet gave some extra gains.

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on March 11, 2013
at 10:31 PM

the 80/10/10 diet or raw fruitarianism totally destroyed my body. i am still recovering and think it will take years to hopefully reverse the damage. i don't even think it's possible to reduce the damage at this point since i was a raw vegan for 3 years and didn't eat meat for 5 years total. my ulcerative colitis diagnosis came a few months after i was following 80/10/10 but symptoms arised soon after the diet.

paleo has definitely helped but i am still sick. my gut hurts a lot and i'm very anemic and thin- just malnourished in general. i've been following paleo for 8 months but think i've reached my peak on recovery with just diet. not sure it can do anything more for me.

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on March 18, 2013
at 03:32 PM

after several elimination diets (gluten/soy free, raw, raw vegan, paleo, raw paleo) I have found that a raw, paleo, AND ketogenic diet is the only thing that has helped to cure 5 years of amenorrhea, insulin resistance, severe anxiety and depression, liver and pancreas health. I am not 100% better, nor did I immediately feel amazing, but the longer I am eating this way the more robust and vital I become :)

D8644ecc819aa7fb98ed93eece4befa2

(281)

on March 19, 2013
at 03:53 PM

Thanks so much for this reply. How is your anxiety and depression? Can you compare this with 5 years ago, or even better, accross diets?

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on March 18, 2013
at 04:50 PM

A diet improving a terminal disease is an interesting idea X-/

Other than that I'd be sceptical of how well n=1 stories translate into other people's results. The plural of anecdote is not data. It seems clear that there's a lot of individual variability in response to various diets, for both healthy and sick people.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on March 18, 2013
at 07:50 PM

It seems like the paleo community uses multiple anecdotes as data all the time. There's not really an alternative, pending large, well-designed randomized trials with personally relevant outcome measures. And when most people who stick around a community and talk about a diet are ones who liked it, I think it can be very instructive to hear about things that didn't work.

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

(1655)

on March 19, 2013
at 06:29 PM

Multiple anecdotes can be somewhat useful in very specific questions (I am X, have condition Y, should I eat Z?) For a very very general issue (can diet help with a disease) they're kinda useless. As for stories, sorry, I don't have a terminal or a chronic disease. As to mental, well, it's not up to me to judge :D

D8644ecc819aa7fb98ed93eece4befa2

(281)

on March 19, 2013
at 03:52 PM

Exactly. Also, I'm not looking for data, I'm looking for stories. So please do tell yours :)

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