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Have you read Deep Nutrition?

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Have you read the book, Deep Nutrition? Is this something that I need to add to my library or reading list? I have GCBC (loved it) and Primal Blueprint....I want something with good science. I have grown to like PB, but was really turned off at first with the caveman Grok stuff, and I just can't like Robb Wolf yet. If Kurt Harris wrote a book, I would be first in line. So any takes on Deep Nutrition would be appreciated.

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on August 24, 2011
at 10:17 PM

@Cave Tomboy I am reading his book and I can see where he is moving away from some of Cordain's earlier stands. Now if I can just get over the "Buttercup" stuff. But as texasleah says maybe this is the book for my 24 year old.

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on August 12, 2011
at 06:22 PM

Yeah, I got a little tired of being called Buttercup!

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on August 12, 2011
at 12:53 PM

Nancy -- you think saturated fats are bad? I'm wondering about your comment re: Robb. He's the one updating Cordain's theories, so I'm confused.

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on August 11, 2011
at 11:18 PM

I would stay away from T S Wiley. Her opinion about Menopause is strange to say the least. That doesn't mean the book has no useful information about sleep. I don't know, I didn't read it. Biochemist Brent Formby PhD didn't approve her HRT protocol. Here is an Interview with him about Wiley http://rhythmicliving.org/?page_id=23 Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Wiley

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on June 17, 2011
at 04:31 AM

Well, nancy64, anxious to hear what you think of it.

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on June 07, 2011
at 12:07 AM

I understand the aversion to his dialogue, it can be silly. However, I am glad he is out there because my 20 year old son gave up fast food and went paleo because of Robb Wolf. Prior to that my son just thought I was crazy and there was no way he was going to read GCBC.

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on June 06, 2011
at 02:42 PM

I also have a hard time taking seriously any book that says things like "that will cock block your results". I guess maybe I'm too prudish or he just seems infantile. I think his podcasts sound a little too much like Beavis and Butthead.

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on June 06, 2011
at 11:44 AM

Leanne. thanks for suggestion, but when you look up T.S. Wiley and her husband and check out their credentials and business practices, they sound like charlatans..maybe ideas in the book are good, but she does not have the credentials. Just google and there is much "out there" Also read the 1 star reviews at Amazon

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on June 06, 2011
at 05:22 AM

GCBC = Good Calories, Bad Calories. Read Lights Out! Sleep, Sugar and Survival by T.S. Wiley. When you get over not liking Robb Wolf, his book is great and has plenty of good science.

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on June 06, 2011
at 03:50 AM

Gotta ask this because it's not coming to me. What book is GSBC?

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on June 05, 2011
at 10:06 PM

BTW, I should mention that I also read GCBC and found it most amazing in its breadth, depth and scope, one of the best and most eye-opening I have ever read. Deep Nutrtion took me to a similar place and I have to put both of these books at the top of the list.

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on June 05, 2011
at 09:49 PM

thanks, Ed..I have it ordered

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on June 05, 2011
at 09:47 PM

should be "I am an old toot."

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at 09:46 PM

I'm VERY interested to read this book (Deep Nutrition) based off of what you said. I am realizing more and more that our body stores trauma from food the way our mind/emotions store traumatic experiences. The memory may fade, but the impact is long lasting and can have profound implications. Abusing our bodies with food every weekend is like going on a bender with any other drug. It's all chemicals people!

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on June 05, 2011
at 09:45 PM

for one thing, I don't understand his stance on saturated fats. It seems so out of step with current thinking. And, the web site is too "cartoony" for me. He seems to be talking down to his audience. I even had trouble with the Grok gimmick in Primal Blueprint until I read more. I guess I am just old fashioned...really paleo! I will come back to him later..I am open minded even if I an old toot.

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at 09:13 PM

heard the author on a podcast...jimmy moore? can't remember. she seemed good, though. Very WAP-oriented if I remember

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on June 05, 2011
at 09:36 PM

I have about one chapter to go in Deep Nutrition and in many ways it has surpassed many of the books I have read so far and I have to say it is my current favorite. I've read most of the same concepts presented by other authors, but Dr Cate (who is a Cornell University trained MD in molecular biology) has taken it all a step further by giving blow-by-blow accounts of happens at the cellular level when we consume such things as vegetable oil and sugar. Prior to this I had been operating on the Paracelsus principle of poison being in the dose, but Dr Cate's description made me realize that Paracelsus is not really applicable here because of the recovery time from toxic oils, especially toxic oils plus sugar. Not to mention that it also goes beyond just the omega3/omega6 ratio thingy and that fish oil is not an antidote to everything. So whereas I would occasionally have a slice of bread or crackers or something else that contained vegetable oil or would have a rare sandwich made with canola mayo, because I was not aware of the non-zero trans fat issue (even though the label states zero trans fats). Turned my head around. I will henceforth no longer toy with these things. My sister read it about a year ago and told me about it but I just put it on my to-do list. That was one piece of advice that I wish I had heeded then, but I'm glad I've read it now.

It was also the best presentation of epigenetics that I've seen yet and made me understand that they've gotten past just the hypothesis stage.

Ed

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on June 05, 2011
at 09:46 PM

I'm VERY interested to read this book (Deep Nutrition) based off of what you said. I am realizing more and more that our body stores trauma from food the way our mind/emotions store traumatic experiences. The memory may fade, but the impact is long lasting and can have profound implications. Abusing our bodies with food every weekend is like going on a bender with any other drug. It's all chemicals people!

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on June 05, 2011
at 10:06 PM

BTW, I should mention that I also read GCBC and found it most amazing in its breadth, depth and scope, one of the best and most eye-opening I have ever read. Deep Nutrtion took me to a similar place and I have to put both of these books at the top of the list.

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on June 05, 2011
at 09:49 PM

thanks, Ed..I have it ordered

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on June 17, 2011
at 04:31 AM

Well, nancy64, anxious to hear what you think of it.

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on June 05, 2011
at 07:15 PM

Yes, I have read it. Great book. Fits very well into evolutionary paradigm, although I have some reservations about the confidence of some of the Shanahan's assertions.

However, if they are only 10% right about transgenerational epigenetics, they are onto something HUGE.

Link here: http://amzn.com/0615228380

I was going to feature it in an upcoming Paleolithic Diet email. Still might.

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on June 05, 2011
at 09:03 PM

How can you not like Robb Wolf. He is amazing and a wealth of information. His Paleo Solution book is AMAZING!! You want some good science, read his book!!!

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on June 05, 2011
at 09:45 PM

for one thing, I don't understand his stance on saturated fats. It seems so out of step with current thinking. And, the web site is too "cartoony" for me. He seems to be talking down to his audience. I even had trouble with the Grok gimmick in Primal Blueprint until I read more. I guess I am just old fashioned...really paleo! I will come back to him later..I am open minded even if I an old toot.

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on June 05, 2011
at 09:47 PM

should be "I am an old toot."

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on June 06, 2011
at 02:42 PM

I also have a hard time taking seriously any book that says things like "that will cock block your results". I guess maybe I'm too prudish or he just seems infantile. I think his podcasts sound a little too much like Beavis and Butthead.

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on June 07, 2011
at 12:07 AM

I understand the aversion to his dialogue, it can be silly. However, I am glad he is out there because my 20 year old son gave up fast food and went paleo because of Robb Wolf. Prior to that my son just thought I was crazy and there was no way he was going to read GCBC.

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on August 12, 2011
at 12:53 PM

Nancy -- you think saturated fats are bad? I'm wondering about your comment re: Robb. He's the one updating Cordain's theories, so I'm confused.

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on August 24, 2011
at 10:17 PM

@Cave Tomboy I am reading his book and I can see where he is moving away from some of Cordain's earlier stands. Now if I can just get over the "Buttercup" stuff. But as texasleah says maybe this is the book for my 24 year old.

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on August 11, 2011
at 08:14 PM

I read this book and I liked it. BUT I found it exceedingly irritating that the authors act as though they stumbled along their conclusions about diet via reading Andrew Weil (of all people) and by looking at native Hawaiians. It is so obvious to me that the work was at the very least inspired by that of Sally Fallon (new last name?) but she and the work of the WAPF are never once mentioned in the book. Yes, the authors talk a tiny bit about Weston Price himself, but to write this book without acknowledging the huge body of research and advocacy that the WAPF has done just seems disingenuous to me. It would be impossible to research this book and not stumble on their web site at the very least. And all the "second sibling" stuff the authors write about is taken straight from their body of work and given a different name.

I like the way the book is written but it's a bit too chatty for me. Great for recommending to clients who are new to the concepts.

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on August 12, 2011
at 09:42 AM

"Deep Nutrition" is one of my favourite books about health and nutrition. A cardiologist on Amazon wrote she recommends the book to her patients and colleagues. To decide whether it is worth buying listen to the two podcasts from Sean Croxton. It's worth the time.

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on June 06, 2011
at 01:43 AM

I think I've read every single book out there, and have to agree with the above--GCBC and this one.

For the record, I think some of the information in Wolf's book is great, but his prose really turned me off.

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on August 12, 2011
at 06:22 PM

Yeah, I got a little tired of being called Buttercup!

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on June 06, 2011
at 01:22 AM

I'm also reading it and it is an awesome book! Well written, very understandable but a lot of science in there. I'll be going to have a coffee and will continue reading...so should you! :-)

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on June 05, 2011
at 10:21 PM

Deep Nutrition is my current favorite. I can't say enough good things about it! Both Jimmy Moore and Sean Croxton have interviewed the author and both podcasts are fascinating

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on June 05, 2011
at 09:31 PM

my copy is scheduled to arrive tuesday :) Can't wait to read it!!!!

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