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Hack my relative's arm that won't heal.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 28, 2012 at 8:06 PM

About a year ago a relative of mine flew off his bicycle and broke both of his forearms. 6 surgeries later he's going in for another one. They aren't healing right because the bone exited his skin and keeps getting infected internally. Every time he goes in for surgery they have to do more Rounds of antibiotics via IV so his gut health is probably terrible but he claims he's not having issues "going." i know he buys a kombucha every so often and tries to eat yogurt. Next time i go down to see them ill show them how to make ferments. He's very thin. I told his mother to buy him Carlson 5mg Mk4 k2, and 5000iu vitamin D3. She thought some Epsom salt baths would be good too for magnesium. He's on a very small budget. He has a CSA for pastured eggs once a week, organic veggies, and He's a cook at a restaurant while going to college so he makes meat quite often though it's usually conventional. He is not paleo but I know he tries to avoid wheat most of the time, but being a college student the beer, pizza, and poverty days of beans and rice beckon. He's also taking some hormones because he's a transgender f2m. I am not looking for anyones opinion about taking the hormones, I'm only mentioning it for background. His mother is on her way up there right now since he's coming out of his latest surgery. She's bringing him a crockpot and a pressure cooker to make bone broth which he's more than willing to Cook with. Oh, and they did a bone density test and his bones seem to be in good shape otherwise.

What else could he be doing to help this problem? Supplements? Alternative treatments? Thanks in advance for everyone's help.

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on February 14, 2012
at 12:05 AM

@Amerindian Yeah, I like him. Not my favorite, but definitely one of those guys I like to watch fight.

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on February 03, 2012
at 01:42 PM

Sorry to be a downer here, but healing the bones with infectious material trapped inside is not a good/ workable idea. It sounds as if dirt real dirt got into the ends of the bones. This kind of infection is really hard to treat. I've seen it before. General immune boosting is always a good idea with any kind of infection tho.

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on February 02, 2012
at 03:55 AM

Are you by chance a Gabriel Gonzaga fan ManBearPig?

99055b620fb3a9d30a8f6ac480c25227

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on February 01, 2012
at 08:47 PM

@Matthew: AFAIK systemic antibiotics *do* affect the gut.

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on January 31, 2012
at 04:42 PM

Perhaps but I can't tell someone who was suicidal before they were able to get gender therapy that they should get off the T so we need other options.

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on January 31, 2012
at 04:39 PM

Ah. That's good.

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on January 31, 2012
at 04:31 PM

IV antibiotics may not affect the gut much at all.

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on January 31, 2012
at 02:15 AM

Of course. It's common for bone that leaves the body to have some infection. No it's not MRSA. :-)

99055b620fb3a9d30a8f6ac480c25227

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on January 31, 2012
at 12:53 AM

Oh, I just thought of another thing! L-Arginine for the bone! I broke my tibia in an MMA match and that stuff did wonders for my bone. The doctors were downright amazed by the rate of healing... Details in my edit!

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on January 30, 2012
at 11:45 PM

Thanks I'll buy him some And send it online. I'll try to get him to give up the wheat. I doubt he'll give up beer but he can probably do without the taco bell. Haha

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on January 29, 2012
at 01:46 AM

Wouldn't he lose too much weight going low carb? He's already a little underweight. I think low carb would be too expensive for him too. He kind of relies on rice and potatoes for calories.

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99055b620fb3a9d30a8f6ac480c25227

on January 30, 2012
at 11:39 PM

Here is a study linking L-glutamine supplementation to a decreased incidence of post-traumatic infection. I've stumbled across many similar studies on google scholar, but as always, prudence dictates that you should double-check all my claims.

Glutamine is one of the most abundant amino-acids in body -- we basically thrive on the stuff. It's a very potent anticatabolic and appears to play a critical role in immune regulation... and just about everything else.

I'd give it a shot. People can tolerate fairly high doses of the stuff and it's relatively cheap. You can get a 1lbs jar of it for about 40 - 45 bucks at GNC.

Just be advised that it's not a very stable molecule. You'll want to drink it within a few minutes of mixing it with water, keep it away from heat, light and frost, and take it on an empty stomach to absorb it as quickly as possible.

I'd also recommend avoiding any inflamatory foods including (but not limited to) grains. The infection will cause enough inflamation as it is, and too much of that is never a good thing.

Keep us posted!

EDIT: Ack! I can't believe I mentioned L-Glutamine without even mentioning the other (IMHO more potent) miracle amino acid ... L-Arginine.

There is much evidence to suggest that L-Arginine supplementaiton decreases healing time, particularly for bone fractures. As I mentioned in my comment, this damn-near saved me when I broke my tibia last year in an MMA match.

Here are a few assorted papers. There are many more on google scholar:

L-Arginine and wound healing

Influence of L-Arginine in bone fracture healing (animal study)

L-Arginine supplementation reduces the risk of sepsis

And again, this stuff is cheap (about 30 bucks for 180 tablets at GNC), well-tolerated and safe.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on January 30, 2012
at 11:45 PM

Thanks I'll buy him some And send it online. I'll try to get him to give up the wheat. I doubt he'll give up beer but he can probably do without the taco bell. Haha

99055b620fb3a9d30a8f6ac480c25227

(45)

on January 31, 2012
at 12:53 AM

Oh, I just thought of another thing! L-Arginine for the bone! I broke my tibia in an MMA match and that stuff did wonders for my bone. The doctors were downright amazed by the rate of healing... Details in my edit!

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on February 02, 2012
at 03:55 AM

Are you by chance a Gabriel Gonzaga fan ManBearPig?

B999e22df9b9ec64daea50bedefabfe5

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on February 03, 2012
at 01:42 PM

Sorry to be a downer here, but healing the bones with infectious material trapped inside is not a good/ workable idea. It sounds as if dirt real dirt got into the ends of the bones. This kind of infection is really hard to treat. I've seen it before. General immune boosting is always a good idea with any kind of infection tho.

99055b620fb3a9d30a8f6ac480c25227

(45)

on February 14, 2012
at 12:05 AM

@Amerindian Yeah, I like him. Not my favorite, but definitely one of those guys I like to watch fight.

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on January 31, 2012
at 04:26 PM

Transgender ftm, means taking testosterone, yes? Can't Testosterone inhibit would healing and immune function?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on January 31, 2012
at 04:42 PM

Perhaps but I can't tell someone who was suicidal before they were able to get gender therapy that they should get off the T so we need other options.

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on February 02, 2012
at 01:27 AM

Zinc and Vitamin C are essential for wound healing.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2275309

BTW~ He should get his D level checked--he may need higher levels of supplements.

I have seen clients fail to heal because they had residual trauma from the original accident. EFT can be very helpful with clearing the trauma.

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on February 01, 2012
at 11:45 PM

Try magnetic therapy. Place magnets near the wounded area and they help circulation which leads to faster healing. It is worth a try. Nikken is a good brand.

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on January 31, 2012
at 04:52 AM

Massive doses of RAW GARLIC.

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on January 30, 2012
at 11:44 PM

Has he had the infectinon tested? is it mrsa?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on January 31, 2012
at 02:15 AM

Of course. It's common for bone that leaves the body to have some infection. No it's not MRSA. :-)

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on January 28, 2012
at 11:16 PM

ouch, sounds like the issue i had as a child. Now, i didnt have the infection issues but i did take aspirin. i hope your friend is not taking aspirin. because if he or she is it will delay healing. and the advice to give the steroid hormone vitamin D im not on board with giving steroid hormones. i hope they get better. i wound up with one leg too short and a foot that sticks outward.

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on January 28, 2012
at 10:55 PM

Depends on what the infection is, if it's bacterial, and it's thriving on blood sugar, going VLC would help. If it's a yeast, it won't. Then again, he's got enough stress already from the infection and the broken bone, so that's probably not going to help much.

So anything that improves the immune system is a good thing to try. Garlic, ginger, ginseng, lots of sleep, plenty of nutrient rich foods, etc.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on January 29, 2012
at 01:46 AM

Wouldn't he lose too much weight going low carb? He's already a little underweight. I think low carb would be too expensive for him too. He kind of relies on rice and potatoes for calories.

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