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Should I just lay down and die?

Answered on June 18, 2014
Created June 03, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Please read all of this even though it???s long. I need help. I don???t know what to do. When I started this weight loss journey I weighed almost 500 pounds. I???m now at 342 pounds. Pretty much all of this weight loss happened before I even discovered paleo though. I was doing the typical calorie restriction diet and eating loads of processed foods and foods laden with artificial sweeteners. In the past I have also been known to lose weight through other more dramatic means. At one point, I pretty much lived off less than 800 calories a day, for months. I was starving myself. My hair was falling out like crazy and I was constantly fatigued and weak. I lost around 80 pounds during this time, in less than 4 months. Of course I gained all that weight back and then some.

I also attempted to do a 30 day juice fast after watching fat sick and nearly dead???within two weeks into the fast I had lost thirty pounds. At that point I stopped the fast because that is exactly how I felt, fat, sick, and nearly dead. So as you can see I have a history of disordered eating. I use to be the type of person who thought in black or white. It was either all or nothing for me. If I was on a diet I was restricting like crazy to lose the weight. If I wasn't on a diet I was binging and eating tons of junk. I was always on either end of the extreme at all times.

I guess this yo-yo dieting has wreaked havoc on my metabolism because I just can???t seem to lose weight on paleo. I have been eating this way for over a year now and I haven???t lost more than ten pounds I keep losing the same water weight over and over again. A lot of this is my own fault because in the beginning I was doing paleo all wrong. I was eating tons of paleofied foods and I???m pretty sure my calorie intake was way high because of it. In the past few months I have stopped that and started to track my calories on an app. I???m now around 2200-2500 a day. I eat around 50% fat, 30% protein, and 20% carbohydrates. I get around 100 grams of carbs of day from tubers. I have lost weight in the past eating tons of carbs but limiting my calories. I tried a higher fat intake and lower carb but I actually started to gain weight like that.

I know some may recommend ketosis but I don???t feel that great without some sort of carb. I have some symptoms of adrenal fatigue or thyroid problems. My hair is really thin. I suffer from insomnia most nights also. Sometimes I can???t get to sleep because I feel so alert. Like my adrenaline is pumping at night or something. I feel wired. I would feel extremely tired in the day and have to take constant naps. Went to the doctors and she said that my progesterone levels are extremely low too. Of course she just stated the obvious like all doctors do when they see me. Lose weight. I get extremely bad premenstrual symptoms also. It???s like I turn into a different person during that time and have really severe mood swings. I don???t know what???s wrong with me. Here is my current diet. I eat the same things every week. I buy some but not all of my foods organic. I definitely cant afford to by grass fed or organic pasture raised meats at this time so those are almost always conventional. The only added fats I eat are coconut oil, butter, or evoo.

Breakfast- two eggs with a half tablespoon of butter

Lunch-probably like 6-8 ounces of meat with 3 cups of leafy greens

Dinner- five chicken thighs or legs with the skin on or 8 ounces of ground beef, pork, or chicken. 300 grams of starchy tuber, two cups of broccoli or some other low carb veggie, and an avocado.

Sometimes I have a few berries as a snack. I do eat dairy sometimes but only as a garnish and in small amounts, less than an ounce. My dairy is always grass fed-organic and/or raw. I also only eat sea salt and it doesn't contain any iodine so i'm guessing my iodine levels are pretty low which aren't helping my thyroid if I do have thyroid issues. I plan to purchase some sea vegetables soon to help with that though. Could this be a major contributor to me not losing weight? I'm currently working on adding some wild planet sardines and grass-fed liver into my diet every week (even though I hate the thought of both). I just want to get healthy.

I also take Saint John warts every day for depression and pms (been taking it for about six months now). I???m pretty much sedentary also. I know that is a problem and I???m trying to make it a habit to walk everyday outside. I have a gym membership but I don???t use it. The cardio that I was doing there made me completely crash and burn. I literally felt like a zombie after and all I could do was sleep. My upper thighs were hurting really bad after the treadmill. At one point I was going really hard with the cardio at the gym and I actually started gain weight. I was completely stumped..I'm guessing this has something to do with my out of wack cortisol levels.

Anyway, this is all that I eat plus tons of water and I???m not losing weight. I feel like I may have to go really low calorie to lose any more weight after the crap that I have put my body through. I think my metabolism is shot and I don???t know how to repair it other than eating right and walking maybe. What scares me the most is that heart disease runs in my family. Literally every year another person in my family is dying of heart disease. My cousin just suffered from multiple hurt attacks and had to have triple bypass. My brother has congestive heart failure. My dad has diabetes and high blood pressure. Most of my dad???s siblings are dead from heart attacks or strokes. His sister just died from one a few months ago. Most of them died in their thirties. A friend of the family just had a stroke that left her completely incapacitated for the rest of her life. She can???t walk, talk, or do pretty much anything. Before this she was a normal (besides her diet) hard working woman. She has two young children. She was only 42! This could be me at any time! I feel like I???m doing everything that I can but nothing is working.

Don???t get me wrong, I will never stop eating paleo. This is it. No more dieting for me. I believe that everyone should eat a paleo TEMPLATE. Even though I???m not losing weight I know that I???m putting healthy nutritious foods into my body. Processed foods, refined sugars, grains, are not a part of my life anymore and they never will be again. For the most part, I have the healthy eating part down pact, I just need to lose some weight. I don???t want to be another statistic. Any suggestions? Things that I should do or tweak? btw im 25 years old and African American if that helps.

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on June 10, 2014
at 07:51 PM

Perhaps you didn't read my reply, which suggested NINE cups of veggies a day, meat, bone broth, and natural fats. Last time I looked, NONE of these are on the menu at McDonalds unless you want to count the tomato slices and lettuce on the hamburgers. This was NOT "unqualified 'eating more' advice".

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on June 09, 2014
at 07:55 PM

Hi Matt11 - Thanks for your opinion - I don't see you replying to the poor OP who is so upset they are basically saying they almost feel like dying - at least I gave OP some encouragement and ideas that may help - perhaps you could spend your time trying to help people instead of making new people like me feel extrememley unwelcome

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on June 09, 2014
at 02:31 PM

Nutrition is important, but weight loss is not dependent on it. You can lose weight on McDonalds… an unqualified 'eating more' is not good advice. Sure, eat more nutritious foods, but eat less calories overall.

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on June 09, 2014
at 02:29 PM

Something certain can be simple, but difficult! Learning new habits is key to maintaining something, but right now the losing process needs to get sorted out.

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on June 09, 2014
at 02:25 PM

The importance for MCTs? The OP is getting more than enough energy in their diet, no need to pile on more!

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on June 09, 2014
at 02:25 PM

Meal timing has such a minute effect. The OP needs to get calories under control first and foremost. Adding "fat" is not an answer either. Activity is good though. 1 for 3 is not a good answer.

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on June 09, 2014
at 01:38 PM

@AmplifiedHeart Found it :) You're welcome and glad to help! I do hope it works out for you and my best wishes to you. Keep thinking positive and you will be there! Youtube has been a huge help to me. So many brave women there telling how they lost weight and what they did to do it. Some of them are wild stories and some of them are believable. But I like to see when you get lots of people all saying the same thing. Either somebody's paying a group to all repeat it, or there's a grain of truth... 40-day fasting, green tea, gluten free, always something new :)

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on June 09, 2014
at 03:19 AM

Weight loss IS that simple, but at the same time, devastatingly hard. Breaking habits is often next to impossible. That said, there is something that happens when you ALLOW weight loss to be a simple choice - I eat this, I don't eat that. I move my body and I have interests that take me out of the house and have me interacting with people in different environments where food isn't always the focus. I have hobbies. I enjoy my food, but it is not the boss of me!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on June 09, 2014
at 02:59 AM

Weight loss is that simple.

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on June 07, 2014
at 02:33 PM

I'd say she's trying very hard. She has tried several types of diets. She has the will to go on a VLCD. And she is here looking for better answers than she has found before. I think your reply to her request for help is ignorant and attempts to oversimplify weight loss. How hard are you trying to help her?

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on June 04, 2014
at 04:49 PM

make it as enjoyable or miserable as you want it. it's ultimately a calories game and mental challenge.

Eb87941a669017dfb288d296cc672130

on June 04, 2014
at 04:40 PM

Like for instance, say I want to 180 grams of protein, 150 grams of carbs, and 45 grams of fats. Maybe I've gotten my protein in from chicken breast, cottage cheese, and eggs. I've eaten my micros from salads/vegetables, and I've had a piece of fruit. Then that leaves me with like 80 grams of carbs and lets say 30 grams of fat to work with. Hell, if I wanted i could go get a frozen yogurt with some sort of topping like chocolate chips or shaved almonds and still be in a deficit and still drop body fat! That's why it's really good to know that in the end it comes down to numbers and you can

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on June 04, 2014
at 04:34 PM

No problem, I'm glad you've got a better plan and are motivated. Yeah, don't think just cause you see people that are thinner or more lean than you are they have it easy and "like dieting." Pretty much no one can eat whatever and maintain a great physique, at least not for long. When you're 17-20 it's a little different but that's really it. And no one likes cutting calories, so you just have to find ways to make the PROCESS as enjoyable (tolerable) as possible. Making sure you hit some calorie/protein/carb/fat numbers each day and seeing what "goodies" you can fit into that can help.

Eb87941a669017dfb288d296cc672130

on June 04, 2014
at 04:30 PM

The reason I suggested sweet potato post workout and not pre workout is mainly just cause that's what I like to, but it probably doesn't make much difference one way or another. Experiment and see which way gives you a better workout and makes you feel better.

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on June 04, 2014
at 04:06 PM

I'm really pumped right now after reading your response. I feel like I have a clear and concise plan now. These changes alone will cut down on my calories by ALOT. Yup weight loss isn't easy but it has to be done if I want any type of future for myself. Im definitly going to put in the work and give it all I that I have and then some. I so want this weight off! Thanks so much for this!

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 04:05 PM

I will incorporate more salads and non starchy veggies to add bulk to my diet.I may drop the avocado for now too? I will reduce my added fats too and only eat my carbs after or before a workout. Why only sweet potato after a workout though? Its not ok to eat a sweet potato and then exercise after? If I wanted my glycogen stores to be low and not store fat shouldn't I eat sweet potato first and then workout?( I'm not completely sure about the science part of this so I'm probably completely off base).

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 04:04 PM

For some reason in my mind it was like paleo and lower fat just didn't mix. But since so many people are suggesting it I feel like I have the green light now. Since most of the lean cuts of meats are much more expensive than the fatty cuts around here I'm going to keep buying the thighs and such but from now on I will remove the skin first. When it comes to ground meats I will stick with chicken, turkey, and lower fat percentage ground beef. I usually ground my own chuck roast though anyway. I will eat more fish and stock up on lean meats like chicken breast when they are on sale.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 04:03 PM

I really like this answer. Thanks for being so straightforward and to the point. I think you definitely hit the nail on the head with lowering the fat. I was thinking along the same lines but I guess it was kind of ingrained in my head that paleo= high fat or at least half your calories from fat. Not true even though it might work for some, it's clearly not working for me.

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on June 04, 2014
at 09:09 AM

Thank you for your answer. Solid advice, I don't understand all the downvotes.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 05:48 AM

I just had a rough patch today I guess. I'm so grateful for discovering paleo but I just need to make some adjustments to make it work right for ME. Maybe I'm not giving it all that I have . Maybe I need to reduce my calories even further (prob the answer). Maybe I need to work on my hormones and such first. Idk. I will consider all this advice and experiment to find out what works for me. Back to the drawing board! Btw. I'm a female.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 05:48 AM

I'm also working on improving other areas in my life, beside diet. I use to suffer from chronic stress and depression mostly due to my weight but in the past months I have been learning and practicing techniques to think more positive and feel happier. My whole outlook on life is much different now. I know that I can't sit around and feel sorry for myself and I know that if I do I will only be hurting myself and my future. I'm in control of my life and only I alone have the power to change myself . I take full accountability for how my life turns out.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 05:46 AM

Thanks for the response and the tips! You're right. I did put myself in this situation but I WILL get myself out of it. There are definately areas where I can improve upon and I'm working on those now.

According to an online calender my maintenance calories are around 2800 a day. I do use an online food diary to track my food although sometimes I slack on weighing everything, which I've found is crucial to not underestimating how much I'm eating.

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on June 04, 2014
at 02:07 AM

This is good advice! @AnyonesGhost , if this is you @foreveryoung and your password got reset/lost in the last site update, then get in contact with me and I'll tell you who to contact to get this straightened out.

Eb87941a669017dfb288d296cc672130

on June 04, 2014
at 01:47 AM

grunt21 knows what's up. This is horrible advice.

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on June 04, 2014
at 01:13 AM

You don't get fat from too few calories, you get fat from too many. This is terrible non scientific advice and you are propping up this dudes weak mind. You are reinforcing gluttony. Being 350 pounds is not from eating too little, this is actually making me angry you would lead him down the wrong path like this.

Eb87941a669017dfb288d296cc672130

on June 04, 2014
at 01:04 AM

This is good advice about the eating vegetables and stuff, but he's getting plenty of fats already. A whole entire avocodo + 2 eggs + 5 chicken thighs with skin + other fatty meat + butter/oil to cook with. That's more than enough fat.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:42 PM

Sorry the post above were meant in response to your post but I messed up. As you can tell i'm not really use to messing around with paleohacks. I'm more of a lurker. I cant for the life of me figure out why it wont let me write longer post. That is why I had to break them up into so many smaller ones. But I see other people write long ones. *shrug*

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:39 PM

I will research more into dhea. Thanks so much for sharing your story and taking the time to respond. You have been very helpful and encouraging to me. I wish you the best on the rest of your journey to better health and I will continue on my quest to find out what works for me.

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on June 03, 2014
at 11:39 PM

Why are you eating skin with meat, pretty much everyone i respect in the paleoshpere, primarily robb wolf, does not advocate huge amounts of fat for already fat people. Lean meat and vegetables and the odd bit of fruit and higher fat source like nuts kept to a minimum.

If you are in the 300lbs range you are not going to benefit from tonnes of added calories from skin.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:38 PM

Hmm never heard of chromax/chromium. Will definitely look into it. Thanks! I like salmon and tilapia mostly. The store that I frequent always has fish on sale but it's usually farmed. Guess it's better than none at all though right? I'm going to start eating more sardines also as they are not too expensive and pretty convenient. Least toxic too I think. I have thought about experimenting with 50 instead of 100 grams of carbs to see how that works for me.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:38 PM

I’m on paleo for health first and weight loss second. I've come very far and it took a lot to get to this point. I was a food addict to the max. Food was my life. I have a way better relationship with food now. Weight loss or not that is a HUGE accomplishment for me. I do dance sometimes when I'm by myself and listening to music lol. I could stand to do it a bit more though. It's funny how we tend to forget about the little things. I have considered lowering my fat intake. Been thinking about that a lot lately actually.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:38 PM

It can get discouraging at times, especially when you have lost weight eating crap before. But i'm in this for the long haul.There is no way I’m ever going off paleo so I just have to find a way to make it work for me. Yea I could lose weight restricting calories and drinking diet soda. I could lose weight eating weight watchers because I would probably barely be eating anything but that wouldn't help me in the long run.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:37 PM

I'm proud of all the changes that I have made even though sometimes people (my family) think I'm crazy when I say I'm eating healthy. They don’t see the weight that I have already lost because I’m still morbidly obese. They take one look at me and dismiss whatever I have to say. They think I’m killing myself even quicker by eating the skin with my meats and cooking with things like coconut oil. Meanwhile they pull out the canola oil. One family member suggested I go on weight watchers last month.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:36 PM

As you could imagine, most people in my family are obese. I see my nephews going down the same path now because of their parents. They eat fast food literally everyday... I can't do it anymore. I refuse to let this kill me.I want to get this weight off once and for all. I'm tired of it holding me back and I don't want to end up like everyone else in my family. I want to change so that when I have children I can teach them good eating habits too and break the cycle of heart disease in my family.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:35 PM

Nothing extravagant at all and nothing like how I use to eat before. Macaroni and cheese, corn bread, rice and beans, pies, fast food, donuts, cakes, and lots of it were staples in my house. You name it i ate it. I'm not talking small portions either. I would binge on the stuff daily. My grandmother would cook the same things until she eventually died of congestive heart failure.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:34 PM

And I'm desperate...

To answer your questions. I have not heard of “Death by food pyramid" but I will definitely check it out. Thanks! I do not eat any soul food anymore since starting paleo. I eat strictly paleo besides dairy and for the most part my meals are the same each week. I keep things really simple now. Usually a roasted chicken for dinner or some baked chicken thighs or legs or some kind of ground meat with veggies on the side.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:34 PM

Thanks so much for your response. I'm glad that you're recovering and have found what works best for you. Even though my pms symptoms are still here I have definitely noticed a difference in the severity since going paleo. I still get moody but nothing near as bad as when I was eating a junk food diet. I'm also trying to incorporate more fish into my meals for some omega 3 as I know it can help with a lot of things, including depression and such. In the future I may give ketosis another shot and see how it works because like you said, when you're desperate you will try anything.

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Eb87941a669017dfb288d296cc672130

on June 04, 2014
at 12:48 AM

You mentioned a lot of about your history of fad diets, and yoyo-ing, but you made no mention of any form of exercise at all, or how many calories your consuming currently (a caloric deficit is a requirement for fat loss, paleo or not). Your diet seems like a LOT of calories and fat and if you are that obese, believe it or not you have A LOT of stored body fat to use for energy. Carbs are short term energy that you can deplete daily... if you exercise. If you don't exercise, you really have to watch your carbs. If you have a lot of fat to lose, you really do have to watch fat intake as well because why eat all that fat when you could be burning your own?

Paleo dogma states that eat fat to burn fat. Actually this is false- it is only a reduction in carbohydrates that is associated with increased lipolysis, NOT an increase in fat. So, you should of course be reducing carbohydrates in an effort to reduce calories, but you should of course be reducing fat as well. Keeping protein high is smart because it increases satiety, and your body does not convert excess protein calories to fat very easily if at all. Also, since you are so obese, you can more readily deal with extreme deficits, where as an already lean person cannot maintain one very long. So, if you want you can do an "aggressive fat loss protocol" (very low calorie diet...they work if you can stick to them), and then you can "reverse diet" your way out of it as you reach a weight that is at least moderately healthy.

I'm not a doc or anything, but it really is a matter of will power. It's a rare person who genuinely enjoyed dieting for fat loss. It's hard. It's grueling at times, but it pays off if you stick to it. And, lets get this straight, you're not broken. You're simply eating too many calories. I'd gain weight on that diet fast (even if it is LOW CARB!) I'd get fat, or skinny fat actually cause not only is that too many calories for me, it's also a horrible macro-ratio for building muscle without excess fat. You really do NOT need more than 25% of calories as fat. Absolutely you don't. Try reducing fat to 25%, protein to 200 grams, and the remainder of your diet as carbs, which you can manipulate based upon your exercise. Just earn your carbs and eat them around your workouts...pre and post workout only.

Follow this, stay in a deficit, and I GUARANTEE you will lose weight and fat and improve your health. You're not broken. The only question really is do you have it in you to follow a program that ensures you are in a deficit, has you moving, and has a good macro ratio conducive to fat loss and body comp improvements.

EDIT: and when I say carbs pre and post workout ONLY, what i mean is fruits or any starchy carbs. You can eat as much salad as your heart desires (but watch the oil/dressing!). Also choose filling foods that give you a lot of bang (volume) for your buck (calories). Apples, strawberries are great fruits. Sweet potatoes are great starches (post workout ONLY!). Chicken breast and white fish are high in protein and low in calories. Lean cuts of beef/steak are good for this zinc but so are shellfish which have even fewer calories. Salads/non starchy veg is good too for micros and bulk/volume without significant caloric impact. It really is all about calories in the end.

Best of luck to you.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 04:05 PM

I will incorporate more salads and non starchy veggies to add bulk to my diet.I may drop the avocado for now too? I will reduce my added fats too and only eat my carbs after or before a workout. Why only sweet potato after a workout though? Its not ok to eat a sweet potato and then exercise after? If I wanted my glycogen stores to be low and not store fat shouldn't I eat sweet potato first and then workout?( I'm not completely sure about the science part of this so I'm probably completely off base).

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 04:03 PM

I really like this answer. Thanks for being so straightforward and to the point. I think you definitely hit the nail on the head with lowering the fat. I was thinking along the same lines but I guess it was kind of ingrained in my head that paleo= high fat or at least half your calories from fat. Not true even though it might work for some, it's clearly not working for me.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 04:04 PM

For some reason in my mind it was like paleo and lower fat just didn't mix. But since so many people are suggesting it I feel like I have the green light now. Since most of the lean cuts of meats are much more expensive than the fatty cuts around here I'm going to keep buying the thighs and such but from now on I will remove the skin first. When it comes to ground meats I will stick with chicken, turkey, and lower fat percentage ground beef. I usually ground my own chuck roast though anyway. I will eat more fish and stock up on lean meats like chicken breast when they are on sale.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 04:06 PM

I'm really pumped right now after reading your response. I feel like I have a clear and concise plan now. These changes alone will cut down on my calories by ALOT. Yup weight loss isn't easy but it has to be done if I want any type of future for myself. Im definitly going to put in the work and give it all I that I have and then some. I so want this weight off! Thanks so much for this!

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on June 04, 2014
at 02:07 AM

This is good advice! @AnyonesGhost , if this is you @foreveryoung and your password got reset/lost in the last site update, then get in contact with me and I'll tell you who to contact to get this straightened out.

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on June 18, 2014
at 04:22 AM

Do you weigh and measure your food so you truly know how much you're consuming? Lots of times we grossly underestmate our serving sizes, so what we think looks like a certain amount can be twice or even three times as much! Also, physical activity will give you more energy and endorphins. Start small- an evening walk in the beginning, like you said, and then increasing until you're able to do more intense physical activity.

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on June 18, 2014
at 04:03 AM

You have to make sure you're eating enough calories to stay alive first,,,if you don't, your body will go into starvation mode and cling to dear life for fat reserves. Don't go under 1200 calories per day if you want to keep your metabolism from slowing down. Also, as other people mentioned, exercise. Walking is a good place to start, but make sure you try a physical activity that you really enjoy to keep yourself motivated about doing it.

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on June 09, 2014
at 08:19 PM

Hi Amplified. First off, congratulations. You are moving in the right direction.

Second, the take home message of all the good advice above is to experiment and find what works for you. More food? Less food? More fat? Less fat? Etc. For sure, try sardines, liver and sea veggies.

Finally, yes, as you know, you need to get more exercise. It doesn't have to be intense. It would be better to get up at least once an hour and do something, than to go to the gym once every two days to do cardio. Does your gym have water aerobics? It's easier on your joints than land exercises and the people in the class will mostly be us overweight people. Note, gaining weight from exercising can mean that fat, which is light, is coming off, and lean body mass (muscles, bones, connective tissue), which are heavy, is increasing.

Good luck!

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on June 09, 2014
at 02:31 AM

Maybe you could try eating your breakfast for dinner and your dinner for breakfast as looks like you eat lots for dinner and not much for breakfast - if you eat more at breakfast and less at dinner your body should have more time to burn it off - if you eat lots at night then your body might just want to store it rather than use it. Maybe also swap half the starchy tubers for some coconut milk or a fresh coconut or something? - to get more fat and less carbs but still feel good.

Maybe add some fat to your lunch too - like maybe more avo?

Hopefully if you try that and a bit of exercise it should be all good (maybe on your walk you could stop by a kids play park and play as well - lots of cool stuff there - can do pull ups, balancing etc) - Don't give up - you have lost loads of weight and are doing super good - sometimes bodies do have plateaus for a min - don't worry and keep going - Love the idea of getting there in the end and then writing a book about it for other people - excellent idea - Keep going for yourself and to inspire your family and other people as well - Good luck - you can do it :)

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(41747)

on June 09, 2014
at 02:25 PM

Meal timing has such a minute effect. The OP needs to get calories under control first and foremost. Adding "fat" is not an answer either. Activity is good though. 1 for 3 is not a good answer.

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(15515)

on June 04, 2014
at 09:23 AM

1. Don't lay down and die. Find your cure, get healthy and write a book "From 500 lb to 150" (You can credit me in your book, by the way).

2. There is a reason why you gained so much weight. Things to check out: insulin, leptin, prolactin, glucose before and after a meal, glycated hemoglobin, thyroid, etc. I hope you have a very good doctor!

3. I have a solution that you can try. Whether it will work or not for you, I do not know. It worked for me. If you are willing to try it for a week, could you come back and report your progress? I would love to know if it worked for you.

Breakfast: 1-2 cups of bone broth

Lunch: beef liver and 2 tbs of raw sauerkraut

Dinner: vegetables (raw or cooked, whatever works) - green leafy, carrots, onions with some fat and acid (lemon juice and olive oil or sour cream or whatever works for you).

Let me know if your weight goes down.

MAKE SURE TO EAT MORE CARBS EVERY THIRD OR SECOND DAY TO PREVENT THYROID PROBLEMS.

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on June 04, 2014
at 01:11 AM

@1979

I really dislike your reply. It is this sort of harmful magic pill or food that leads so many people into fad dieting and gimmicks, rather than saying eat at a calorie restriction, eat fresh fruit, veg and meat and have hard work and accountability at the forefront of your change.

To the OP. Dude! You need to just eat fruit meat and veggies. find a reputable online calculator, one that has exercise and body fat adjustable calorie calculators rather than the athlete based benedict formula.

Find your maintenance calories and eat 5% - 10% or 15% below that depending on how fast you want to lose fat.

Broken? That is not true, it is an excuse.

You need to break out of this self pity pathology and I say this as someone who has been fat, skinny both numerous times.

I got extremely fat before, got in great shape, got really fat again, then in great shape. I have had fat people who were as fat as me tell me they just couldn't get fit, they had bad genetics, they were metabolically broken, they were ruined and it was because of grains and soda and not their metabolism could not handle food and they could not exercise and they were sooooo trying but they somehow could not lose weight despite being 200 plus pounds.

It is just nonsense.

If you really can not be bothered to figure out your maintenance calories and do what you need to do to be successful then do this one thing.

Eat 2500 calories or below a day. Use myfitnesspal and log all your kcal's.

It is impossible for you not to lose fat. So ask yourself, how hard are you really trying?

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on June 04, 2014
at 05:48 AM

I'm also working on improving other areas in my life, beside diet. I use to suffer from chronic stress and depression mostly due to my weight but in the past months I have been learning and practicing techniques to think more positive and feel happier. My whole outlook on life is much different now. I know that I can't sit around and feel sorry for myself and I know that if I do I will only be hurting myself and my future. I'm in control of my life and only I alone have the power to change myself . I take full accountability for how my life turns out.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 05:46 AM

Thanks for the response and the tips! You're right. I did put myself in this situation but I WILL get myself out of it. There are definately areas where I can improve upon and I'm working on those now.

According to an online calender my maintenance calories are around 2800 a day. I do use an online food diary to track my food although sometimes I slack on weighing everything, which I've found is crucial to not underestimating how much I'm eating.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 04, 2014
at 05:48 AM

I just had a rough patch today I guess. I'm so grateful for discovering paleo but I just need to make some adjustments to make it work right for ME. Maybe I'm not giving it all that I have . Maybe I need to reduce my calories even further (prob the answer). Maybe I need to work on my hormones and such first. Idk. I will consider all this advice and experiment to find out what works for me. Back to the drawing board! Btw. I'm a female.

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on June 07, 2014
at 02:33 PM

I'd say she's trying very hard. She has tried several types of diets. She has the will to go on a VLCD. And she is here looking for better answers than she has found before. I think your reply to her request for help is ignorant and attempts to oversimplify weight loss. How hard are you trying to help her?

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on June 04, 2014
at 12:56 AM

Personally, I think you have to eat MORE. You are not getting adequate calories or micronutrients considering your current size, and that may be what's causing your thyroid to down-regulate--slow your metabolism to try to maintain homeostasis. That's the reason some people have trouble with low carb, it's not the lack of carbs, it's inadequate calories and nutrients because of the appetite suppression in ketosis.

I think you need more fat in your diet, more vegetables following the Wahl's protocol, which calls for NINE cups of vegetables a day in addition to meat, bone broth, natural fats. Three cups of veggies should be leafy greens (cooked, since you have thyroid issues, you don't want to be eating raw cruciferous veggies), three cups of colorful fruit and veggies (berries, tomatoes, beets, carrots, purple cabbage, etc.), and three cups of sulfurous veggies like broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, mushrooms, onions, garlic, etc. Be sure to have plenty of fat with these veggies--it will make them taste great AND it will help you absorb the micronutrients. (Highly recommend reading the Wahl's Protocol--it's skewed toward Multiple Sclerosis, but it applies to EVERYONE).

When your body is getting adequate nutrients, it will revv up your metabolism and help you burn the fat. When increasing calories and nutrients, add fat and some protein, not much more starchy/sugary vegetables and fruits.

Your entire metabolism will do much better if you feed your body adequate nutrition first and foremost. Only then will it be safe to let go of the excess body fat.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 04, 2014
at 09:09 AM

Thank you for your answer. Solid advice, I don't understand all the downvotes.

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on June 04, 2014
at 01:04 AM

This is good advice about the eating vegetables and stuff, but he's getting plenty of fats already. A whole entire avocodo + 2 eggs + 5 chicken thighs with skin + other fatty meat + butter/oil to cook with. That's more than enough fat.

Db4e631885aae32262381e5bc1b76351

(0)

on June 04, 2014
at 01:13 AM

You don't get fat from too few calories, you get fat from too many. This is terrible non scientific advice and you are propping up this dudes weak mind. You are reinforcing gluttony. Being 350 pounds is not from eating too little, this is actually making me angry you would lead him down the wrong path like this.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 09, 2014
at 02:31 PM

Nutrition is important, but weight loss is not dependent on it. You can lose weight on McDonalds… an unqualified 'eating more' is not good advice. Sure, eat more nutritious foods, but eat less calories overall.

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on June 04, 2014
at 12:14 AM

Hi! I would suggest really looking Into the Importance of MCTs or Medium Chain Triglycerides. There are plenty of youtube videos and alot of Positive Info on this Beautiful stuff. It will blow your mind!! And it is really inexpensive for all its worth.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 09, 2014
at 02:25 PM

The importance for MCTs? The OP is getting more than enough energy in their diet, no need to pile on more!

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Db4e631885aae32262381e5bc1b76351

on June 03, 2014
at 06:16 PM

Hey man I am a fat guy who has in the past gone as low as 120lbs as a vegan who was into long distance running to 210 pounds currently being a slob.

Dieting is really really easy as long as you stay accountable. You have done great work losing the weight and should be proud of yourself.

But I think you are greatly over thinking this. Just get it into your head you have a bad relationship with food. You need to stop being emotionally and psychologically attached to it and rather see it as fuel for your body.

I recently went paleo because I had been having some bad reactions to grains and dairy for the first time in my life and wanted to try a paleo diet.

I have like £2.00 a day to spend and thanks to some posters like @CDone I have managed to put together a pretty good diet for cheap that fuels me through workouts and makes me feel great.

I have been doing this for a week or so to lose weight and I would imagine you could benefit from the same thing.

Mornings - 2 hours stretching and conditioning. For a heavier guy you could do 1 hour walking fasted and another hour doing some stretching. I find having got fat my legs, shoulders and back have become very tight from the bad posture that comes with obesity.

So I get back and I make myself a coffee and blend it with about 50g of butter or 30g of coconut oil.

At dinner time I do my workout which because of my high weight at the moment consists of band supported chinups, sit-ups, band supported dips, band supported front levers. Basically some stuff I saw recommended by people too fat to do Ido portals workouts but wanted to get back the freedom to really utilise their own body.

After the workout I have a smoothie of a few berries that I but soft on the reduced isle. I blend them with coconut oil, ice and it tastes pretty amazing.

Lastly before bed I eat the small stew I have had on the go for a few hours in my slow coked. A few onions, some garlic, a bit of cheap stewing steak and some leafy greens on the side with olive oil as a side salad.

You know what you need to do and while I do understand the emotions and crappy reality of being a fat guy we did this to ourselves, not from eating grains and drinking pop but by having zero will power and control over our consumption. Whether its because we were depressed or felt worthless or were bullied or had faced abuse or just because we were careless.

But now we want to change ourselves and improve and as long as you are determined losing weight and losing it fast, especially with paleo, is easy. Don't feel sorry for yourself feel proud you are working to improve and simply do what you know you need to do.

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on June 03, 2014
at 06:10 PM

It took a lot of courage to write this, thank you. I'm in my 40s, white and have struggled all my adult life with weight. I also have PCOS, or I had it before I went HFLC. When I was a child, it was an addiction to join the next tryout for a sport, and the next... It was great fun, but now that I'm an adult, there is no planned exercise and I miss that. I also got away from my traditional ancestral foods, and for me, that's Hungarian food, which is surprisingly HFLC in some aspects - if you avoid the pastries and dig around for the methods of cooking that predate the French influence. When I lost my traditional diet and stopped exercising, that was the killer for my health. Within a few years I was sick enough to be hospitalized for an illness and after that, I was on meds, meds, meds.

I too struggled with what the right diet was for me, and I still struggle with weight, but at least my body feels much better and I'm off most of the meds. As an added benefit, I no longer suffer from PMS or PCOS. But that took years of being very low carb (Atkins low, that's about 20g/day), and sometimes forays into ketogenic to get today's state of grace. Fish oil also played a massive role in my recovery. I also force myself to experiment with cooking fish every week, and I have developed a taste for certain fish. I had not eaten fish since I was child and my mom made it. Scallops are also great for omega-3, as are other shellfish. Making "tuna salad" with my current favorite poached or steamed fish is an obsession with me.

I don't know what's right for you and wouldn't presume to tell you what to do. But what worked for me was ancestral food and keeping an eye on lowering carbs. If you decide to try ketosis, probably a good idea to get authors, Phinney/Volek's advice on how to formulate a healthy ketogenic low carb diet and look around for methods that will protect you from side effects, but since you're not open to that idea right now, I only mention it because I know desperation can drive a person to try anything. I also tried the 800 calories per day diet (actually I went as low as 500), and I still fast, even today, but not so much for weight loss as to reduce the overgrowth of gut bacteria.

I think you deserve congratulations for your current weight loss and I know it can be hard, but have faith and it will hopefully work out. Nothing else but hope faith and charity matter, even charity to yourself. If you are destined for illness at 40ish, then at least be able to say you live well and tried your best. This one aspect of your life is not the only one.

So let me ask some questions that might give you some ideas for where to go from here:

Have you seen Denise Minger's book, "Death by Food Pyramind"?

Do you make "soul food"?

Do you dance? (it's exercise :) )

Is there a shuffle / line dance in your town that is attended by people you like?

What did your great grandmother make for every meal? What kind of cooking ingredients?

Have you considered "The Zone" diet? Which is very low in fat, but otherwise, I think it makes sense.

Is chromax/ chromium picolinate part of your plan? (it's not "for energy" so much as to make insulin work better, and it has a side effect of stopping cravings for some people)

What kind of fish is your favorite? (old French cookbooks have great recipes for cooking fish, check the library)

What if you swapped tubers out or just reduced them, and added greens and reds only as a carb, just for a week?

Have you been to pubmed to research DHEA?

DHEA is something I like to take if I feel I have too much cortisol running around. But if you're on a hormone like birth control, DHEA can mess with it (not deactivate it, but it might spike hormone levels), so check with a health professional about options. It has some interesting effects though, like lowering TNF which is great if you have an autoimmune disorder. GABA can also be calming, but there are 3 forms of it... only the regular one is OTC, the other two, baclofen and gabapentin are drugs. The diff between them seems to be how well they cross the blood/brain barrier, but if you just want calm, then regular will be fine. Taurine is calming.

Exercise is painful if you're obese because it temporarily increases inflammation (this helps form muscles), but if you have an inflammation issue, then it can boomerang and hurt you. Fish oil, aspirin (helps create resolvins and deactivates inflammation enzymes permanently not just temporarily), and some supplements like turmeric or ginger can help with inflammation. Your doctor may also give you a safe to take daily anti-inflammatory especially if they know you are trying to exercise and getting too much inflammation, not just the minor stuff that thin people get.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:42 PM

Sorry the post above were meant in response to your post but I messed up. As you can tell i'm not really use to messing around with paleohacks. I'm more of a lurker. I cant for the life of me figure out why it wont let me write longer post. That is why I had to break them up into so many smaller ones. But I see other people write long ones. *shrug*

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A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 05:45 PM

Thanks for the response! Yes I do need to incorporate more physical activity into my life. I plan to start walking every night after dinner and I love the idea of finding something to do to make an otherwise sedentary activity active. Brilliant. When I think of exercise I usually think of dragging myself to the gym or doing something outside but it doesn't have to be that way always or at all! Thanks for the encouragement!

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:35 PM

Nothing extravagant at all and nothing like how I use to eat before. Macaroni and cheese, corn bread, rice and beans, pies, fast food, donuts, cakes, and lots of it were staples in my house. You name it i ate it. I'm not talking small portions either. I would binge on the stuff daily. My grandmother would cook the same things until she eventually died of congestive heart failure.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:37 PM

I'm proud of all the changes that I have made even though sometimes people (my family) think I'm crazy when I say I'm eating healthy. They don’t see the weight that I have already lost because I’m still morbidly obese. They take one look at me and dismiss whatever I have to say. They think I’m killing myself even quicker by eating the skin with my meats and cooking with things like coconut oil. Meanwhile they pull out the canola oil. One family member suggested I go on weight watchers last month.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:39 PM

I will research more into dhea. Thanks so much for sharing your story and taking the time to respond. You have been very helpful and encouraging to me. I wish you the best on the rest of your journey to better health and I will continue on my quest to find out what works for me.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:34 PM

And I'm desperate...

To answer your questions. I have not heard of “Death by food pyramid" but I will definitely check it out. Thanks! I do not eat any soul food anymore since starting paleo. I eat strictly paleo besides dairy and for the most part my meals are the same each week. I keep things really simple now. Usually a roasted chicken for dinner or some baked chicken thighs or legs or some kind of ground meat with veggies on the side.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:34 PM

Thanks so much for your response. I'm glad that you're recovering and have found what works best for you. Even though my pms symptoms are still here I have definitely noticed a difference in the severity since going paleo. I still get moody but nothing near as bad as when I was eating a junk food diet. I'm also trying to incorporate more fish into my meals for some omega 3 as I know it can help with a lot of things, including depression and such. In the future I may give ketosis another shot and see how it works because like you said, when you're desperate you will try anything.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:38 PM

I’m on paleo for health first and weight loss second. I've come very far and it took a lot to get to this point. I was a food addict to the max. Food was my life. I have a way better relationship with food now. Weight loss or not that is a HUGE accomplishment for me. I do dance sometimes when I'm by myself and listening to music lol. I could stand to do it a bit more though. It's funny how we tend to forget about the little things. I have considered lowering my fat intake. Been thinking about that a lot lately actually.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:38 PM

It can get discouraging at times, especially when you have lost weight eating crap before. But i'm in this for the long haul.There is no way I’m ever going off paleo so I just have to find a way to make it work for me. Yea I could lose weight restricting calories and drinking diet soda. I could lose weight eating weight watchers because I would probably barely be eating anything but that wouldn't help me in the long run.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:38 PM

Hmm never heard of chromax/chromium. Will definitely look into it. Thanks! I like salmon and tilapia mostly. The store that I frequent always has fish on sale but it's usually farmed. Guess it's better than none at all though right? I'm going to start eating more sardines also as they are not too expensive and pretty convenient. Least toxic too I think. I have thought about experimenting with 50 instead of 100 grams of carbs to see how that works for me.

A3e839a7f2cee0ca0bf577fefc7b89ea

on June 03, 2014
at 11:36 PM

As you could imagine, most people in my family are obese. I see my nephews going down the same path now because of their parents. They eat fast food literally everyday... I can't do it anymore. I refuse to let this kill me.I want to get this weight off once and for all. I'm tired of it holding me back and I don't want to end up like everyone else in my family. I want to change so that when I have children I can teach them good eating habits too and break the cycle of heart disease in my family.

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(10989)

on June 03, 2014
at 05:23 PM

You didn't mention physical activity at all in your post. I would incorporate more physical activity if I were you. This does not necessarily mean a gym membership. Even walking around your neighborhood or on a treadmill in your living room is a great start! Good luck in finding what works for your body! No reason to lay down and die yet, you are still very young and have potential!

I'm not overweight, but something I'm considering doing to be more physically active and to feel better is using a little exercise mini bike that I can plop in front of my couch while I watch TV or use the laptop. This is a great way to make an otherwise sedentary activity Active!

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