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Non-animal sources of protein

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 15, 2013 at 2:11 AM

I have been eating paleo for almost two years. For the last five days, I have been experimenting with very low carb (<20g) to jump-start weight loss again. During this time, I have been eating just meat and vegetables (cruciferous and leafy vegetables) and lost 5 lbs (starting weight/height = 130lb/5ft). I know it's mostly water weight but I am optimistic about the potential of low-carb. So I want to continue my low-carb experiment for the next few months. I want to go down to 110lbs.

Now the problem is I feel so nauseated when I think about meat. Or, maybe I am nauseated in general. I am looking for non-animal sources that provide decent amino acid profiles to eat for the next few days until my aversion to meat subsides. I am looking for relatively lower carb options (no starch like potatoes...) I tried googling vegetables with complete protein, but the search results are not paleo-friendly -- legumes and grains. I am guessing the paleo solution to my meat aversion is to combine different vegetables to get complete protein.

I hope to be able to eat meat again...

Also, I can't do bone broth or seafood right now. Thinking about bones makes me nauseous too.

NOTE: I AM NOT PREGNANT! :)

Current activity: 45 minute HIIT 6 days a week.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 08:30 PM

Well, I wish weight loss was NOT my problem.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 15, 2013
at 08:08 PM

How on earth is that helpful? And it's pretty dismissive, as well. Weight loss isn't something I'm here for, either, but it's a valid problem.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 15, 2013
at 01:54 PM

hehe, you're welcome. I don't really know, I would say that doing HIIT 4-5 per week should adress the benefits of increased fitness and hormonal optimization. Then the 2 days of rest would make good environment for recovery and if worried by weight gain, you can still walk or just stay focused on having and active life and move freqüently. As to complement with training with nutrition.. that depends a lot. I guess that LC Paleo with some starch surrounding workout time should do fine. Maybe you would like to have a look into the 'The Paleo Diet for Endurance Athletes' book by Loren Cordain.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 01:41 PM

Okay. I knew HIIT + low carb = bad news. But I was so eager to expedite my weight loss that I kind of went crazy. So for effective weight loss, should I keep low carb and ditch HIIT? Maybe, keep low carb and HIIT just 3 times a week? Or, keep low carb and walk slowly 45 minutes 6 times a week? Or, increase carb to 60g and keep HIIT 6 times a week? Haha. Thanks for all your help!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 01:31 PM

Awesome. I just bought greek yogurt and cottage cheese. Thank you for helping me think outside the box!

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 15, 2013
at 01:00 PM

Sorry, read that you do HIIT but not read about the 6! That is a lot of training which can deprive the body of energy and trigger adrenal fatigue if not buffered with the correct nutrients and rest. Rest very important, but having the required macro ratios seems to be also important. Even if LC advocate, we have to keep in mind that HIIT is pretty glucose dependant kind of exercise in nature so the aerobic pathways of fat oxidation may simple just not make up for the demand. If you decide to upper your carbs, It could be wise to do it surrounding the workout time, specially after workout.

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on March 15, 2013
at 12:53 PM

6 days of hiit a week and low carb is a bad equation. It will likely stifle weight loss and lead to injury.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:48 PM

As for the protein. There's a lot of popular concern about whether if you train hard and not eat enough protein it will cannibalize your muscles, but some studies have suggested that the body is pretty more efficient trying to keep lean mass than we currently think, so I guess being a woman you could do fine with standard advise of 1.5gr to 2gr of protein per kg body weight, that should be more or less feasible to achieve. Well, I'm no doctor so don't really know, just a nutrition and sports freak hehe.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:39 PM

Still, 20gr of carbs is damn low, you could try to upper until 60-80 and see what happens. It's pretty up to whether you are a moderate, LC or VLC lover but I guess the first point is to erradicate processed sugar and grains, with this you are really aiming to lower insuline spikes and body inflammation which are the most troublesome. Then, the correct environment is created for the body, I guess it's no problem with high greens and some tubers or starchy carbs from the good sources (chestnuts, pumpking, sweet potato, maybe even occasional rice... just a handful once in a time).

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:36 PM

Well, I think cottage cheese is pretty fine and I eat it myself alongside with berries (makes perfect paleo dessets hehe) but if Lactose intolerance maybe better options, fresh cheese is usually higher in lactose than more mature or fermented cheeses. Guess you should try. In the groceries there's even lactose free cheese, you could check, but seeing lesser than 1gr of carbo cheese on the labels should do fine.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:10 PM

Oh also I think I feel this way about meat because of low-carb. I am going to up my carb once I drop 10 more lbs...

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:06 PM

Yeah I do 45 minute HIIT right now. I need to up my protein so I don't lose my lean body mass!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:05 PM

What's your thoughts on cottage cheese? I compared greek yogurt to cottage cheese, and cottage cheese seems to be lower carb and higher protein per gram.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:03 PM

Thanks!!!!!!!!!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 11:59 AM

Awesome. I got bought greek yogurt and cottage cheese. Thank you for helping me think outside the box!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 11:58 AM

Good suggestion. But I have issues with nuts; eating them always leads to a binge. :/ I cannot eat an approprite serving of nuts (especially almonds). Seaweed is a good suggestion!

76026e8ef496039d5075440ff731aa0d

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on March 15, 2013
at 02:49 AM

Greek yogurts a start, at least you're getting fat and protein somewhere in there, what about Cream also? Little to no carb, very satiating, did I mention it's AMAZING in my coffee with unpasteurized honey? I’m just worried your body might start cannibalizing itself.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 02:40 AM

I hope I don't get flamed for saying this but I am trying to do a version of protein-sparing modified fast. So I want to keep my diet low fat...ish.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on March 15, 2013
at 02:39 AM

Hm eggs and dairy! I did not eat them for such a long time that I totally forgot about their existence. From my previous experience with eggs, I can't eat more than three a day. With dairy -- I cannot drink milk or cheese (slightly lactose intolerant), but I love Greek yogurt.

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877f4b8257fdf8d7f9658915f6c2c227

on March 15, 2013
at 02:43 AM

You could eat more nuts. Normally the excess omega 6 would be a problem, but if it is just for a few days, I am sure you would be okay. Besides nuts, you could try some amino acid rich seaweed like chlorella. Not in the mood for those either? You could try fasting from meat for a few days w/ copious amounts of vegetables and animal fats (assuming they are OK).

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 11:58 AM

Good suggestion. But I have issues with nuts; eating them always leads to a binge. :/ I cannot eat an approprite serving of nuts (especially almonds). Seaweed is a good suggestion!

1
9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on March 15, 2013
at 07:19 PM

When I first went paleo, I also went very low carb (<= 25g per day). This was great for a while and I ate tons of meat and eggs. I worked in as much salad type stuff as I could but was eating mostly meat and eggs.

After a few weeks, I hit the wall, and just couldn't look at another piece of meat. I remember cooking a great rib-eye steak and being unable to take a bite. And I'm a huge meat eater.

I think the body can't handle all of that meat unless you work up to it and maybe take time adapting, and something about the low-carb diet makes it more difficult. Maybe the body isn't producing the right enzymes without raw fruits and vegetables. I ended up giving up meat and the VLC diet for a few days and concentrated on vegetables, fruits, yogurt, and lots of liquids. After a day or two the madness passed and I felt a lot better.

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048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

on March 15, 2013
at 11:39 AM

As stated by some, I think you should look at eggs and dairy as a good quality protein options if you're not feeling like eating flesh-based food. if lactose intolerant, keep in mind that there's cheese with pretty low lactose content. If not casein sensitive, I think you could consider it.

I've been an ovo-lacto-vegetarian for 5 years with just eggs, dairy and a quality Whey protein shake, with some success, I even do both strength trainning and endurance running and still mantainning some decent muscle mass. Even if not strictly primal, for people with limited sources and training at high intensity, Whey protein may be a godsend. You could give it a shot.

I also experienced with typical vegetarian protein sources like soy, tempeh (soy derivated), gluten fake-meat... I ditched all this in favour for more natural (paleo-friendly) choices and that's why I finally have decided to forget about vegetarianism and go Paleo. If I were to use some purely non-animal derivated protein form, it may be hemp, seems the safest one considering that is quite anti-nutrient free (not like soy, wheat, etc).

Nuts are pretty high in protein, specially peanuts, but be aware about the very high omega-6 ratios and aflatoxins and phytates. An occasional snack could be OK but I know pretty well that when you are lacking other sources you tend to make this substitutes a staple and in the long run it could be even worse.

Also keep in mind that dark leafy greens have a pretty decent amino profile, just in very low dosage. But in addition to a moderate dairy and egg based diet (if you can mantain fish and seafood then would be terrific) I think its plenty for most people.

Note: If letting meat aside, maybe you should be more worried about where will you get your healthy dose of fats and B vitamins more than just protein. Also maybe the interesting thing to do would be look deep into why you have started feeling like this with meat and try to fix it, it would certainly be less troublesome as you're currently pretty limited considering what you told us and having a wide-range allowed food makes live a lot easier, I know pretty well hehe.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 15, 2013
at 01:00 PM

Sorry, read that you do HIIT but not read about the 6! That is a lot of training which can deprive the body of energy and trigger adrenal fatigue if not buffered with the correct nutrients and rest. Rest very important, but having the required macro ratios seems to be also important. Even if LC advocate, we have to keep in mind that HIIT is pretty glucose dependant kind of exercise in nature so the aerobic pathways of fat oxidation may simple just not make up for the demand. If you decide to upper your carbs, It could be wise to do it surrounding the workout time, specially after workout.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:06 PM

Yeah I do 45 minute HIIT right now. I need to up my protein so I don't lose my lean body mass!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:05 PM

What's your thoughts on cottage cheese? I compared greek yogurt to cottage cheese, and cottage cheese seems to be lower carb and higher protein per gram.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:10 PM

Oh also I think I feel this way about meat because of low-carb. I am going to up my carb once I drop 10 more lbs...

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 01:41 PM

Okay. I knew HIIT + low carb = bad news. But I was so eager to expedite my weight loss that I kind of went crazy. So for effective weight loss, should I keep low carb and ditch HIIT? Maybe, keep low carb and HIIT just 3 times a week? Or, keep low carb and walk slowly 45 minutes 6 times a week? Or, increase carb to 60g and keep HIIT 6 times a week? Haha. Thanks for all your help!

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:48 PM

As for the protein. There's a lot of popular concern about whether if you train hard and not eat enough protein it will cannibalize your muscles, but some studies have suggested that the body is pretty more efficient trying to keep lean mass than we currently think, so I guess being a woman you could do fine with standard advise of 1.5gr to 2gr of protein per kg body weight, that should be more or less feasible to achieve. Well, I'm no doctor so don't really know, just a nutrition and sports freak hehe.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:39 PM

Still, 20gr of carbs is damn low, you could try to upper until 60-80 and see what happens. It's pretty up to whether you are a moderate, LC or VLC lover but I guess the first point is to erradicate processed sugar and grains, with this you are really aiming to lower insuline spikes and body inflammation which are the most troublesome. Then, the correct environment is created for the body, I guess it's no problem with high greens and some tubers or starchy carbs from the good sources (chestnuts, pumpking, sweet potato, maybe even occasional rice... just a handful once in a time).

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:36 PM

Well, I think cottage cheese is pretty fine and I eat it myself alongside with berries (makes perfect paleo dessets hehe) but if Lactose intolerance maybe better options, fresh cheese is usually higher in lactose than more mature or fermented cheeses. Guess you should try. In the groceries there's even lactose free cheese, you could check, but seeing lesser than 1gr of carbo cheese on the labels should do fine.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 15, 2013
at 01:54 PM

hehe, you're welcome. I don't really know, I would say that doing HIIT 4-5 per week should adress the benefits of increased fitness and hormonal optimization. Then the 2 days of rest would make good environment for recovery and if worried by weight gain, you can still walk or just stay focused on having and active life and move freqüently. As to complement with training with nutrition.. that depends a lot. I guess that LC Paleo with some starch surrounding workout time should do fine. Maybe you would like to have a look into the 'The Paleo Diet for Endurance Athletes' book by Loren Cordain.

1
Ed6125fbb3e40ed42a03f4053adca7ec

on March 15, 2013
at 07:52 AM

Cauliflower, asparagus, spinach, mushroom, artichoke, and broccoli are all good sources of protein, (for vegetables). Seeds are also another protein alternative, (although I don't know if they are paleo or not).

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 12:03 PM

Thanks!!!!!!!!!

1
76026e8ef496039d5075440ff731aa0d

on March 15, 2013
at 02:19 AM

Do eggs count as Non-animal sources of protein to you, because my first thought was - beef, chicken, fish, pork...if eggs aren't doable...I'm assuming you're not doing any dairy either?

Truth.

76026e8ef496039d5075440ff731aa0d

(5386)

on March 15, 2013
at 02:49 AM

Greek yogurts a start, at least you're getting fat and protein somewhere in there, what about Cream also? Little to no carb, very satiating, did I mention it's AMAZING in my coffee with unpasteurized honey? I’m just worried your body might start cannibalizing itself.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 01:31 PM

Awesome. I just bought greek yogurt and cottage cheese. Thank you for helping me think outside the box!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 11:59 AM

Awesome. I got bought greek yogurt and cottage cheese. Thank you for helping me think outside the box!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 02:40 AM

I hope I don't get flamed for saying this but I am trying to do a version of protein-sparing modified fast. So I want to keep my diet low fat...ish.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 02:39 AM

Hm eggs and dairy! I did not eat them for such a long time that I totally forgot about their existence. From my previous experience with eggs, I can't eat more than three a day. With dairy -- I cannot drink milk or cheese (slightly lactose intolerant), but I love Greek yogurt.

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7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

on March 15, 2013
at 07:21 PM

God I fucking wish weight loss was my problem

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on March 15, 2013
at 08:30 PM

Well, I wish weight loss was NOT my problem.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 15, 2013
at 08:08 PM

How on earth is that helpful? And it's pretty dismissive, as well. Weight loss isn't something I'm here for, either, but it's a valid problem.

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