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What is wrong with gluten free?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 11, 2010 at 1:25 PM

So the NY Daily Times posted this article http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/health/2010/05/22/2010-05-22_following_glutenfree_diet_without_having_celiac_disease_can_be_harmful_to_health.html

It says that going gluten free as a non celiac is bad since non-gluten containing grains are unfortified and have less fiber. It says nothing about eliminating grains. I guess this is more of a discussion opener than a question.

I would be willing to believe that replacing wheat with buckwheat/rice "frankenfoods" from the gluten free section isn't going to help you much, but replacing wheat with whole vegetables and fruits seems like it makes major improvements.

Thoughts?

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Actually, I'd just figure out the vitamins you might actually need and only take those. Or try to eat more foods that have those vitamins. For paleos, most RDAs are met easily. Only a few like magnesium and calcium might be suspect. Why take a bunch of vitamin supps for vitamins you are already getting tons of and at the same time be ingesting only small doses of those you actually need? Multis are for those who are too lazy to make any further effort.

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on August 17, 2010
at 07:15 PM

I'm just saying go even gluten free wheat products. If its wheat its beat.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on August 15, 2010
at 04:01 PM

I know it's not curable, that's why the "". the problem is, that no one told my Mom, so she thought I was cured after I ate a roll and nothing visible had happened. It was seen as a pediatric disease, it was long time ago in communist Poland ;-) and very difficult to keep GF, my Mom had to buy corn flour in pharmacy with prescription... but now I am going completely GF.

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on August 13, 2010
at 04:46 PM

Offca, Celiac isn't "curable". I also have Celiac and all my blood tests came back negative. As did my sister's. Even doctors will admit that it's barely useable. What happened to you is that you probably got used to dealing with the side effects of the auto immune attacks. I know I did! Oh, my serious issues with depression and anxiety? Just teenaged issues! My horrible joints? Oh, I'm 6' tall, it's a given. All of my female issues? Oh, you know, the usual! Nope. Since going totally GF, all of those have cleared up and then some. Give it a shot and see!

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on August 13, 2010
at 04:43 PM

Also might encourage more of the pick your own sides from the list technique that more restaurants are using like at Chili's. Although I find most places are perfectly willing to sub out veggies or fruit for starches anyway if I ask them nicely.

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on August 12, 2010
at 07:16 PM

Actually, gluten-free would be beyond "wheat free", given that gluten is in several other grains as well.

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on August 12, 2010
at 07:15 PM

If one feels the need for artificial "vitamins", one can always take a multi.

1f70da0b737e9c6e7679a248f4228a01

on August 12, 2010
at 08:44 AM

Very true. I've read that gluten intolerance has been creeping towards being a 1 in 3 'condition' and I could imagine it being more prevalent, but it's not an easy thing to put a number on when even Coeliac Disease is missed by some tests!

1f70da0b737e9c6e7679a248f4228a01

on August 12, 2010
at 08:41 AM

Amen to that! Gosh, think of all those poor peoples in the world that do not have gluten grain-based diets - they must be SO malnourished! The poor Chinese following a rice and sweet potato diet - I guess that's why their population is struggling! ;)

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on August 11, 2010
at 09:33 PM

Agreed. We shouldn't throw meaningless statistics around on the Paleo side, either. "Allergy" has a very specific meaning, and I seriously doubt anything approaching 80-90% of the population is allergic to grain.

95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

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on August 11, 2010
at 05:58 PM

Here's why the "gluten free movement" is helpful even for us: More choices in restaurants. One doesn't have to have celiac to benefit from gf menu choices that replace starch with veg or omit stupid sauces. I was in a restaurant yesterday where the gf option consisted of substituting a little salad for onion rings with a plate of seafood. More options like that are just fine.

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on August 11, 2010
at 05:55 PM

Do you have any data to suggest that "80-90% of people" have grain allergies? I'm sympathetic to the direction of your argument, but I think that's at best speculation.

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on August 11, 2010
at 01:55 PM

Yeah, this is just total BULL. Vegetables and fruits beat grains hands-down in terms of not only nutrient density, but nutrient AVAILABILITY. They're not chock full of antinutrients like grains and legumes are. Also, about the fiber thing, are ya kidding me? There is TONS of fiber in veggies and fruits, along with chemical compounds shown to be anti-carcinogenic, anti-atherogenic, and just damn good for you!

My guess is that Monsanto paid this guy, or that he's simply ignorant and needed something to write about, and so used some pieces of the Wikipedia article to create an article of his own.

Paleo FTW! lol

1f70da0b737e9c6e7679a248f4228a01

on August 12, 2010
at 08:41 AM

Amen to that! Gosh, think of all those poor peoples in the world that do not have gluten grain-based diets - they must be SO malnourished! The poor Chinese following a rice and sweet potato diet - I guess that's why their population is struggling! ;)

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on August 11, 2010
at 02:08 PM

This whole PR thing saying basically "HAHA, look at the idiots going gluten-free who don't have a REAL diagnosis" is very dangerous and disheartening. And I'm very disappointed that newspapers have taken the bait despite that these reports are all funded by the wheat industry.

It means that people will have an excuse not to take others seriously when they say they can't eat gluten, despite the fact that non-celiac gluten sensitivity is now recognized by mainstream medical journals. When I was in the hospital my food needs were not taken seriously, I shudder to think about how much worse it would have been if the nurses had read these condescending articles. As far as I'm concerned, with all the mystery surrounding many diseases, they should allow patients to exclude whatever they want from their diets.

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95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

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on August 11, 2010
at 02:39 PM

Here's the simple answer: Folks eating real meat and produce don't need anything "fortified", grains or otherwise.

This is a shining example of how messed-up the dominant nutritional paradigm is, and a big reminder of how much work we have to do.

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on August 11, 2010
at 02:04 PM

Drew is spot on.

Add to that the brutal intestinal inflammation and scarring grains cause... even to those who think they aren't allergic. More and more people become allergic to grains daily, it used to be about 1 in 10, it is now creeping towards 80-90% of people. Frankly I think they should be avoided 100%, gluten free or not.

Listen to your body! There is a reason why so many people that go paleo feel so amazing, the grains were impeding all their bodily functions.

And yes, just like drug companies trying to prove that vitamins are bad for you through bullshit weighted studies. Monsanto does the same garbage with their toxic GMO strains of soy and grains.

9d741bcbe702044635f2ce3078043054

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on August 11, 2010
at 09:33 PM

Agreed. We shouldn't throw meaningless statistics around on the Paleo side, either. "Allergy" has a very specific meaning, and I seriously doubt anything approaching 80-90% of the population is allergic to grain.

95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

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on August 11, 2010
at 05:55 PM

Do you have any data to suggest that "80-90% of people" have grain allergies? I'm sympathetic to the direction of your argument, but I think that's at best speculation.

1f70da0b737e9c6e7679a248f4228a01

on August 12, 2010
at 08:44 AM

Very true. I've read that gluten intolerance has been creeping towards being a 1 in 3 'condition' and I could imagine it being more prevalent, but it's not an easy thing to put a number on when even Coeliac Disease is missed by some tests!

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62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on August 13, 2010
at 04:58 PM

THis paragraph is just so SAD (if you'll excuse the pun): "When wheat flour is fortified with vitamins and iron, it boosts the nutrient content of the diet. When it???s a whole grain, it also adds fiber. But eliminating wheat flour, which means forgoing pasta, bread, and cereals, can cause flagging energy levels and those low-blood-sugar induced headaches that occur when not enough carbs are eaten."

So.. wheat flour boost your nutrient intake IF IT HAS VITAMINS SPRAYED ON IT! WHy not just take the vitamins directly and skip the wheat? Is that so hard? And veggies have plenty of fiber so it's not like we depend on wheat for fiber. But then the real kicker, if you don't eat gluten, then you could get hypoglycemia!! As if rice and the celiac replacement carbs don't also effect blood sugar and as if having spiralling blood sugars is normal and the only solution is high glycemic foods! And in the other part of the article about gaining weight, why would swapping one carb for another make any major changes in body weight? The article makes no sense. I think the author is just making stuff up in this article. One can only cry when thinking about how just about any clueless moron is allowed to write articles giving health advice.

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on August 12, 2010
at 06:52 PM

Wheat flour is fortified with folic acid, which recent data suggests may be a human carcinogen in surprisingly low doses. Fortification is a negative, not a positive in my opinion.

95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

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on August 12, 2010
at 07:15 PM

If one feels the need for artificial "vitamins", one can always take a multi.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Actually, I'd just figure out the vitamins you might actually need and only take those. Or try to eat more foods that have those vitamins. For paleos, most RDAs are met easily. Only a few like magnesium and calcium might be suspect. Why take a bunch of vitamin supps for vitamins you are already getting tons of and at the same time be ingesting only small doses of those you actually need? Multis are for those who are too lazy to make any further effort.

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62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on August 11, 2010
at 03:52 PM

Many of the gluten free products are high in sugar and starch. Wheat may be the worst offender so replacing it with other almost as bad offenders will probably be just a wee tad better for most, and probably a fair amount better for those who have serious gluten allergies. So I don't think there is any harm in the whole gluten free movement and it may help a tad because it is shining more light and attention on the problems of wheat and lectins and food allergies and that may slowly open the door to more knowledge on the general problems of grains and sugars in general. I think it might also help people be more open minded to people have specific eating requirements and that just guzzling down whatever without thinking about it might not be a good idea. So overall, although I think gluten free is only a small piece of the puzzle, I do think the general trend might help lead us in the right direction. -Eva

95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

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on August 11, 2010
at 05:58 PM

Here's why the "gluten free movement" is helpful even for us: More choices in restaurants. One doesn't have to have celiac to benefit from gf menu choices that replace starch with veg or omit stupid sauces. I was in a restaurant yesterday where the gf option consisted of substituting a little salad for onion rings with a plate of seafood. More options like that are just fine.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on August 13, 2010
at 04:43 PM

Also might encourage more of the pick your own sides from the list technique that more restaurants are using like at Chili's. Although I find most places are perfectly willing to sub out veggies or fruit for starches anyway if I ask them nicely.

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on August 12, 2010
at 12:38 PM

Be Wheat Free- go beyond just Gluten free.. Fear the BREAD not the BUTTER

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on August 17, 2010
at 07:15 PM

I'm just saying go even gluten free wheat products. If its wheat its beat.

95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

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on August 12, 2010
at 07:16 PM

Actually, gluten-free would be beyond "wheat free", given that gluten is in several other grains as well.

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A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

on August 12, 2010
at 02:11 AM

To be honest I haven't read the article, but just for the idea - I think that eating grains is such a staple that for most people eating gluten-free is only acceptable if it's a result of a disease. then you have no choice... but by yourself? why would you do that to yourself? deprive your body of delicious bagels and fortified morning cereals?

I am now in a moment when I have to decide. I was diagnosed celiac when I was a baby (after I almost died b/c they thought it was blood poisoning and couldn't figure out what was wrong with me), then my Mom thought I was "cured" and happily ate gluten ever since. Now I want to switch completely, but wanted to have a "proof" - but the tests I made came back negative. So now I want to be gluten free completely, the only difference is - if I am not really celiac nothing horrible would happen if once in a while I would eat a small amount of gluten and then get back on track. But if I am celiac - even this tiny amount can be dangerous.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on August 15, 2010
at 04:01 PM

I know it's not curable, that's why the "". the problem is, that no one told my Mom, so she thought I was cured after I ate a roll and nothing visible had happened. It was seen as a pediatric disease, it was long time ago in communist Poland ;-) and very difficult to keep GF, my Mom had to buy corn flour in pharmacy with prescription... but now I am going completely GF.

B85a65f644cb1d07df650c429facdab8

(105)

on August 13, 2010
at 04:46 PM

Offca, Celiac isn't "curable". I also have Celiac and all my blood tests came back negative. As did my sister's. Even doctors will admit that it's barely useable. What happened to you is that you probably got used to dealing with the side effects of the auto immune attacks. I know I did! Oh, my serious issues with depression and anxiety? Just teenaged issues! My horrible joints? Oh, I'm 6' tall, it's a given. All of my female issues? Oh, you know, the usual! Nope. Since going totally GF, all of those have cleared up and then some. Give it a shot and see!

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