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Created January 16, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I'm trying paleo in a last-ditch effort to control chronic headaches and migraines. So also no eggs, nitrates, msg, and minimal natural sweeteners and onions (got a migraine day 5 from cooking Whole Foods sausage & peppers with onions). Today is day 7 and I've felt sick the whole time. Like a terrible cold, low-grade fever, and so draggy. I worked from home one day and took 2 naps. I did Atkins 10 years ago and never had this. Yesterday I drank a Steaz zero-calorie energy drink to wake up and then had to take a migraine pill. Because I suspect eggs give me migraines, I'm still doing daily breakfast smoothies with whey protein powder, coconut milk, and frozen berries.

  1. Do I feel bad because of cutting out all grains and dairy? candida die-off situation?
  2. I had a scratchy throat before I started. Did I simply catch my kid's cold? Everyone at work has been sick too.
  3. Could also be "cedar allergies" (mountain juniper)? The pollen is sky-high in Central TX right now.
  4. combination of the above?

Because of family history, I undergo colonoscopy in a week. If I fast on the prep day, will that make me feel better or worse? I can only have clear liquids anyway.

Thanks!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 29, 2012
at 02:13 AM

Excellent news!

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

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on January 29, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Follow-up: This time I bought ground pork and spices to make my own "sausage" according to Melissa Joulwan's cookbook. Much better.

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

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on January 29, 2012
at 01:57 AM

BTW the colonoscopy is done--I had a headache right before, maybe from stress or not eating, but it didn't turn into a migraine, i.e., I didn't have to take a migraine pill. I felt better after the procedure. Day 19 Paleo and no migraine since day 7!

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

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on January 21, 2012
at 07:13 PM

Uh-oh, no caffeine! That will take some tapering. Last year I tried no caffeine, chocolate, or Ambien for a month and had no change in the migraines... but I'll stick it out for 4-6 weeks. So far, so good but it takes dedication. No cake on my husband's birthday yesterday. I've been lifting 12 lb dumbbells 2x/week in an empty office at work, the old Strong Women Stay Slim workout. So far I have not had a migraine in 5 days! I'd had one every other day since Xmas eve when the Botox wore off.

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

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on January 21, 2012
at 07:06 PM

Sounds like I need Fitday or similar to get a fix on exactly how many carbs I'm consuming. When I did Atkins I felt okay most of the time, but I was younger, thinner, etc. I could maintain my weight at the time (135 lb) only at <40 g carbs/day. Now I'm around 170, 65".

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

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on January 21, 2012
at 07:03 PM

I might have to second the cold theory as several people at work have/had the same symptoms. I'm considering an alternative center where I can get full celiac panel + IgG tests. Will have to save up.

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on January 19, 2012
at 02:37 PM

Be sure you had the full panel of celiac tests; not just one

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on January 18, 2012
at 09:08 PM

I would normally +1 this, but low-carb has shown in some small studies to work really well for migraines. I would suggest that Sarah gradually reduce carb consumption, maybe as little as 5 grams a day, to reduce the shock on the body.

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on January 18, 2012
at 08:38 PM

It sounds like you are just ill and have caught a cold.

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

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on January 17, 2012
at 02:53 AM

I ate a banana and felt a little better. I tested negative on a blood test for celiac, so insurance might not pay for endoscopy. I can ask the doc.

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on January 17, 2012
at 02:14 AM

can you get an endoscopy at the same time? ie celiac biopsy?

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:45 AM

@Isa Palstek, that must vary from person to person. While I hope it could help Sarah, multiple specialists told me my migraine was as bad as they'd ever seen but I eat the histamine foods with no problem.

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:33 AM

Yikes! Thanks for the warning! I bought the Italian sausage. I will definitely check ingredients next time. I went to a Whole9 workshop a few weeks ago, trying to follow that, but I've got the whey protein and I eat too much fruit... Sorry you felt sick too but good to know it could be the diet.

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:27 AM

My migraine doc also told me to give it 6 weeks. I also have restless legs syndrome and severe motion sickness, so neurologically I have issues. I felt a little queasy this weekend riding through the automatic car wash. Thanks for this information!

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:22 AM

I'll look into those, thanks! Good info.

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on January 16, 2012
at 08:22 PM

More often it's the histamine rich food that will give migraines.Please google for histamine intolerance and migraine and you'll find tons of stuff. I started a histamine free diet and my migraines stopped from one day to the other.

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on January 16, 2012
at 06:05 PM

Eat some sweet potatoes.

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on January 16, 2012
at 06:22 PM

Hi,

I would try the paleo autoimmune protocol (good info: http://paleodietlifestyle.com/dealing-with-autoimmune-diseases-and-digestive-problems/)

And do it 100% strictly. Maybe you feel bad b/c you don't get enough calories. Therefore try lots of animal fat (lard, tallow, goose fat). Since this is a strict elimination program, I wouldn't even include ghee and egg yolks. (100g fat = 900kcal, just to keep in mind) And of course no nuts.

As to the vegetables: many people don't know that salicylates and phenols can trigger severe problems. And an average paleo diet (coconut oil, many vegies, fruit and berries etc.) is somewhat rich in salicylates. Thus, limit vegies to onion, asparagus, brussel sprouts, chives, carrots, green beans (difficult on autoimmune protocol, but considered somewhat safe and has no salicylates)

A food diary is also very helpful.

If your symptoms subside, try to include the foods above one by one again and see which one is the culprit.

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

(425)

on January 17, 2012
at 01:22 AM

I'll look into those, thanks! Good info.

50e94d7b6b01e6cb87889c6541adc90c

(813)

on January 16, 2012
at 08:22 PM

More often it's the histamine rich food that will give migraines.Please google for histamine intolerance and migraine and you'll find tons of stuff. I started a histamine free diet and my migraines stopped from one day to the other.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 17, 2012
at 01:45 AM

@Isa Palstek, that must vary from person to person. While I hope it could help Sarah, multiple specialists told me my migraine was as bad as they'd ever seen but I eat the histamine foods with no problem.

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on January 18, 2012
at 08:25 PM

Don't eat low-carb and you won't feel like shit. Do paleo with a normal amount of bananas, sweet potatoes, carrots, etc.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 18, 2012
at 09:08 PM

I would normally +1 this, but low-carb has shown in some small studies to work really well for migraines. I would suggest that Sarah gradually reduce carb consumption, maybe as little as 5 grams a day, to reduce the shock on the body.

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

(425)

on January 21, 2012
at 07:06 PM

Sounds like I need Fitday or similar to get a fix on exactly how many carbs I'm consuming. When I did Atkins I felt okay most of the time, but I was younger, thinner, etc. I could maintain my weight at the time (135 lb) only at <40 g carbs/day. Now I'm around 170, 65".

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on January 16, 2012
at 07:20 PM

Low-carb flu can be a bear to deal with! I've been eating mostly paleo for 18 months now, but slid off the wagon big time between Halloween and New Years (not as bad as a SAD diet, but definitely sugar and gluten and wine, lots and lots of wine...). I am halfway through doing The Whole 30 and last week my glands were so swollen I was convinced I was sick. I kept telling myself it was low-carb flu, but in the midst of the agony, it's a hard sell. Anyway, a couple of days later and I felt great.

One thing I'd say is to watch for hidden gluten and canola oil. I almost bought Whole Foods' pork chorizo the other day and at the last minute asked to see the ingredients list. Definitely not compliant! I can't remember if that one is specifically canola or wheat, but I've seen both in their sausages. Be careful!

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

(425)

on January 17, 2012
at 01:33 AM

Yikes! Thanks for the warning! I bought the Italian sausage. I will definitely check ingredients next time. I went to a Whole9 workshop a few weeks ago, trying to follow that, but I've got the whey protein and I eat too much fruit... Sorry you felt sick too but good to know it could be the diet.

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

(425)

on January 29, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Follow-up: This time I bought ground pork and spices to make my own "sausage" according to Melissa Joulwan's cookbook. Much better.

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on April 05, 2012
at 02:39 AM

A little late on this one..... and it may not be the case... but don't discount the cedar fever possibly contributing. I lived in Austin for 4 years and the allergies there are out of this world. I often felt more sick from allergies then when I was actually "sick" with some kind of bug. Hope you are feeling better now!

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on January 18, 2012
at 07:36 PM

I suffer from a migraine disorder as well - I will even loose vision in one eye every few weeks. I've been paleo to help with the symptoms. It's definitely helping - it took about a month before I noticed the amount of headaches I get has decreased, as well as their intensity. Also make sure when you are working out you are doing vigorous workouts, intense workouts - a few times a week - that's helped too. Make sure you aren't consuming caffeine.

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

(425)

on January 21, 2012
at 07:13 PM

Uh-oh, no caffeine! That will take some tapering. Last year I tried no caffeine, chocolate, or Ambien for a month and had no change in the migraines... but I'll stick it out for 4-6 weeks. So far, so good but it takes dedication. No cake on my husband's birthday yesterday. I've been lifting 12 lb dumbbells 2x/week in an empty office at work, the old Strong Women Stay Slim workout. So far I have not had a migraine in 5 days! I'd had one every other day since Xmas eve when the Botox wore off.

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on January 18, 2012
at 07:24 PM

celiac is a single blood test, there's a whole panel. details at celiac.com

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 16, 2012
at 06:19 PM

Many people report feeling awful in their first week or so of eating whole foods--it's a radical change after all and probably confusing for your microflora.

As someone with a history of severe migraine, I think you should give this change at least 4-6 weeks before drawing any conclusions. When I moved from Wisconsin to southern Nevada it was quickly apparent that weather changes were a major trigger for me because the frequency of my attacks dropped precipitously. But I still had SOME migraines, such as being in the sun too much or driving in bright sunlight, etc.

After my first month of eating whole foods, the only migraine attacks I've had in nearly 9 months occurred during the one month I relapsed and ate refined grain-based foods. Even though I ate some sugary treats at Christmas, I didn't have migraine without wheat. I now eat fermented foods daily and I think that makes my gut more forgiving.

It's worth it to know and make informed decisions, don't you think?

Re: your fast day, if you have migraine you (like me) may have a relatively sensitive nervous system/gut and fasting with clear liquids will probably have a positive response due to the lack of irritants.

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

(425)

on January 17, 2012
at 01:27 AM

My migraine doc also told me to give it 6 weeks. I also have restless legs syndrome and severe motion sickness, so neurologically I have issues. I felt a little queasy this weekend riding through the automatic car wash. Thanks for this information!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 29, 2012
at 02:13 AM

Excellent news!

88a669ef87f8138d6bbfbdace533a482

(425)

on January 29, 2012
at 01:57 AM

BTW the colonoscopy is done--I had a headache right before, maybe from stress or not eating, but it didn't turn into a migraine, i.e., I didn't have to take a migraine pill. I felt better after the procedure. Day 19 Paleo and no migraine since day 7!

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