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Going Paleo Tomorrow

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Created January 17, 2012 at 5:36 AM

I am going paleo tomorrow, already have packed a nice hearty lunch of sliced turkey breast, beets, very green salad, and some other things.

I have some questions though, I realize it would be silly to assume all of you follow the same paleo rules, as I have come to understand there are many different shades of paleo. I was looking at multiple websites until I realized everyone has their own rules. So I decided to stick around with the guidelines set by http://paleodietlifestyle.com/ and I was wondering if you guys thought this guy knows his stuff?

The editor puts forth that fatty meats are better, butter is great, that eggs are fine, and that potatoes are just dandy. I would love to agree with him and maybe I am diving head first too soon, but I notice that many paleo-ers (as far as I know) disagree with his theories.

any thoughts? First post by the way.

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on January 17, 2012
at 11:11 PM

I'd also add that getting fat from healthy oils and avocado are a good choice, as well as animal fat. :)

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on January 17, 2012
at 11:10 PM

But bananas are glucose, not fructose, aren't they? That's what I thought... If so, would you say that a banana would be a better choice compared to other fruits (besides berries -- I'm sure we can all agree that berries are a good choice)?

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on January 17, 2012
at 07:03 PM

since you have a swimming background I think you should add the meal plan. But that's just me. :-))

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on January 17, 2012
at 07:02 PM

Cool idea. Although why berries are with nuts instead of fruit puzzles me.

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at 06:17 PM

@Dave S, tee hee! I love a ripe banana but I can't handle TWO let alone 30 in a day. I'm willing to fight for my banana though. :-))

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on January 17, 2012
at 06:06 PM

And then cliff will tell you that eating lots of fruit is very healthy. Or check out Ray Peat adding sucrose to orange juice and drinking it. I'm somewhere between Bill and Nance here. i think the difference comes down to individual metabolism and goals. I'll leave the bananas to durianrider.

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:57 PM

I still disagree although I appreciate your thoughtful explanation. I think you can say, "A piece or 2 of whole fruit is fine but don't overdo." I guarantee ancient humans ate ripe fruit which in Africa was nearly always available. I happen to think the good things in fruit are much better than popping vitamin C supplements. To paint fruit as dangerous is alarmist particularly for active people for whom moderate fruit is the fastest way to replenish glycogen.

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:55 PM

I still disagree although I appreciate your thoughtful explanation. I think you can say, "A piece or 2 of whole fruit is fine but don't overdo." I guarantee ancient humans ate ripe fruit which in Africa was nearly always available. I happen to think the good things in fruit are much better than popping vitamin C supplements. To paint fruit as dangerous is alarmist particularly for active people. Ancient humans stole a few eggs every spring yet some people eat large numbers of eggs every day. Should I say "no eggs" because someone might eat too many?

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:51 PM

I still disagree although I appreciate your thoughtful explanation. I think you can say, "A piece or 2 of whole fruit is okay but don't overdo." Trying to put fresh whole fruit in the same category as refined/processed HFCS is alarmist and I happen to think the good things in fruit are much better than popping vitamin C supplements. Those who eat dairy understand it shouldn't be the major segment of your diet. I don't think people should eat 12 eggs every day, but I think 3 or 4 are fine. Should I say "no eggs" because someone might eat too many?

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:37 PM

Alex, I am hardly an expert after almost a year of Paleo. If weight loss is your goal, which mine was as well, you may want to be aware of how much fat you eat, only because a calorie from fat is STILL a calorie but your body naturally handles fat better vs. sugar. if you eat 10K a day but from fat you will be in trouble regarding your weight loss goal. I ate a lot of chicken/fish and some red meats, tons of veggies, very little fruit and lost about 40 lbs of fat in around 8 months. A lot at first then it slows down as you might imagine. Just my two cents that probably arent even worth that.

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:12 PM

There is a reason for the 'extreme part', please, let me explain below.

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:38 PM

My goal is weight loss and overall health. I am a competitive swimmer and am looking for a good athlete diet as well.

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:37 PM

Kurt Harris is pro-banana, too.

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on January 17, 2012
at 12:04 PM

+1 for Fitbomb.

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on January 17, 2012
at 09:51 AM

Sebastien's a member here if iirc!

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on January 17, 2012
at 09:38 AM

Just a couple of points. Do not be worried about fat, even dairy fat. Dairy maybe but not fat. Reduce starch but don't be worried about small amounts. Fruits are ok, really, depends on your goals though. High fat in general doesn't go well with high fruit consumption. It is a big change, so make those changes that go more easily, so that you can stick to it. I am not a big fan of Cordain's Paleo Diet prescription. I lean more towards the non-paleo world of Dr. Kurt Harris and Dr. Jaminet's Perfect Health Diet.

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at 06:10 AM

@Bill, IMO you're getting a little carried away. High fructose corn syrup is nasty stuff but a banana is a perfectly healthy part of a whole food day--a tiny portion of your intake. Going to extremes is not the answer, and you don't throw the baby out with the dishwater. A piece of fruit each day is fine.

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on January 17, 2012
at 06:07 AM

@Bill, you're getting a little carried away. High fructose corn syrup is nasty stuff but a banana is a perfectly healthy part of a whole food day--a tiny portion of your intake.

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on January 17, 2012
at 06:05 AM

Fructose/Sucrose/HighFructoseCornSyrup/TableSugar/Sugar in the Raw and countless other fake names all equal one nasty toxin, Fructose. Fructose can not be used by any part of your body, except your liver, and 30% of it converts to very bad forms of fat. Refined Dextrose is the same stuff as glucose. White potatoes and rice convert to glucose readily, as does every single carbohydrate other than fructose. I suggest starting off primal paleo via Marks Daily Apple and adjust from there. AFAIAC Karo Corn Syrup(glucose syrup) is better than anything w Fructose in it, but thats me.

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on January 17, 2012
at 05:59 AM

Also, it would probably help to know what your intended goals are on Paleo: weight loss/muscle gain? Underlying inflammatory symptoms? Overall health?

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on January 17, 2012
at 05:59 AM

Lotsa people have their cholesterol shoot through the roof when they eat a lot of butter (mine more than doubled). Something to be aware of.

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on January 17, 2012
at 05:58 AM

Dang, I love a good banana. I don't know if I can go without fruit. I guess that's just one of the "decisions" I will have to make.

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on January 17, 2012
at 05:57 AM

Butter is okay if you're okay with dairy. Some use ghee (non-clarified butter which melts butter and the milk solids are removed so it's virtually lactose-free). Best to use butter from grass-fed cows such as Kerrygold.

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at 05:55 AM

Here's your first Paleo lesson I guess: the general consensus here is that fructose, the sugar found in fruit, is as evil as refined sugar. There are some people who aren't scared of fruit but I'm pretty sure people most tend to stay away from it. Obviously lower sugar fruits like strawberries and blueberries are okay to have on occasion. Veggies should make up the majority of your plant consumption.

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at 05:52 AM

Also that website says that butter is okay when I have not read that anywhere else.

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at 05:51 AM

I had no idea there were people that went without fruit, I thought that was a very paleo thing.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 17, 2012
at 06:04 AM

Hi, Alex! There's no need to make this complicated, particularly at first. As Invisible Caveman said above, read the Kurt Harris page for a good overall summary.

When you start out, it's likely to be quite a change in what you're eating, so just focus on real, whole foods. Like this:

going-paleo-tomorrow

During the first week or so, make sure you're not hungry. That's where fat comes in. Turkey breast is good protein but pretty dry. Make sure you put lots of olive oil on that salad! In general, beef is a good meat with enough fat to keep you satisfied while you're adjusting. If you're going to be eating a lot of poultry, you need canned fish like salmon or sardines, avocado, olives, boiled eggs, etc., to give you more fat. If you eat turkey at home you can heat it and put butter on it.

A piece of fruit is fine, just don't eat tons of fructose. Starch is good too. And as many non-starchy vegetables as you want.

Have fun with it!

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on January 17, 2012
at 12:04 PM

+1 for Fitbomb.

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on January 17, 2012
at 06:00 AM

I've been following Kurt Harris' outline since November 1st and have seen dramatic improvements in my overall health in just 2.5 months.

http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

Also read his Paleo 2.0 article for more background info.

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:37 PM

Kurt Harris is pro-banana, too.

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on January 17, 2012
at 05:49 AM

As you read more and gain more knowledge about the Paleo diet and lifestyle, you'll notice you're gonna (have to) constantly be tweaking certain things.
Are you gonna VLC (very low carb) or moderate carb?
Are you gonna avoid all dairy?
Are you gonna eat potatoes or not?
Are you gonna start taking supplements such as a multivitamin, fish oil, vitamin D, vitamin K2, magnesium, etc.?
Are you gonna start avoiding nightshades?
It's a never-ending journey of what you think is best for your body.

I also stumbled upon that site when I was first looking into Paleo. Mark's Daily Apple kind of gave me the final push I needed. Personally for me, I started Paleo doing moderate everything (fats, protein and carbs). Then took out fruit completely, lessened my consumption of nuts, increased my fats through coconut oil and ghee, tried to balance my o6:o3 ratio naturally (meaning no supplements, just avoiding chicken and eating more salmon), but I do take other supplements, tried VLC and felt like it wasn't doing anything so I increased carbs by re-introducing sweet potatoes. You get the picture. The devil's in the details and there's constant debate about EV-ER-Y-THING.
I think the main point I'm trying to make is everyone does something different. You have to listen to your body and make the proper adjustments in order to feel the best. One thing is for sure: you're already making a huge difference by deciding to cut out the grains/sugar/legumes/etc. You will have more questions, guaranteed, and sometimes you're gonna wanna shoot your brain out from all the overwhelming amount of info. But welcome to PH.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 17, 2012
at 06:10 AM

@Bill, IMO you're getting a little carried away. High fructose corn syrup is nasty stuff but a banana is a perfectly healthy part of a whole food day--a tiny portion of your intake. Going to extremes is not the answer, and you don't throw the baby out with the dishwater. A piece of fruit each day is fine.

Cc99c6d42c46c48fa1c83e765ab6477d

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on January 17, 2012
at 05:51 AM

I had no idea there were people that went without fruit, I thought that was a very paleo thing.

Medium avatar

(10663)

on January 17, 2012
at 05:55 AM

Here's your first Paleo lesson I guess: the general consensus here is that fructose, the sugar found in fruit, is as evil as refined sugar. There are some people who aren't scared of fruit but I'm pretty sure people most tend to stay away from it. Obviously lower sugar fruits like strawberries and blueberries are okay to have on occasion. Veggies should make up the majority of your plant consumption.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 17, 2012
at 06:07 AM

@Bill, you're getting a little carried away. High fructose corn syrup is nasty stuff but a banana is a perfectly healthy part of a whole food day--a tiny portion of your intake.

Cc99c6d42c46c48fa1c83e765ab6477d

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on January 17, 2012
at 05:58 AM

Dang, I love a good banana. I don't know if I can go without fruit. I guess that's just one of the "decisions" I will have to make.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:12 PM

There is a reason for the 'extreme part', please, let me explain below.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 17, 2012
at 06:05 AM

Fructose/Sucrose/HighFructoseCornSyrup/TableSugar/Sugar in the Raw and countless other fake names all equal one nasty toxin, Fructose. Fructose can not be used by any part of your body, except your liver, and 30% of it converts to very bad forms of fat. Refined Dextrose is the same stuff as glucose. White potatoes and rice convert to glucose readily, as does every single carbohydrate other than fructose. I suggest starting off primal paleo via Marks Daily Apple and adjust from there. AFAIAC Karo Corn Syrup(glucose syrup) is better than anything w Fructose in it, but thats me.

6ec8d30130a6fb274871314533b5536b

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on January 17, 2012
at 11:10 PM

But bananas are glucose, not fructose, aren't they? That's what I thought... If so, would you say that a banana would be a better choice compared to other fruits (besides berries -- I'm sure we can all agree that berries are a good choice)?

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on January 17, 2012
at 08:06 AM

no need to go without fruit... though you should eat more veggies than fruit for sure. get remainder of fat and proteins from animals. simple as (no) pie

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on January 17, 2012
at 11:11 PM

I'd also add that getting fat from healthy oils and avocado are a good choice, as well as animal fat. :)

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on January 17, 2012
at 07:19 AM

Congrats!!! You are on a great start. You will tweak things over time. Potatoes are an option I am currently pursuing.

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:33 PM

Regarding my comment in the top post above and its 'extreme' level. I find that it sometimes is good to point out extremes and here is why. People tend to become 'extreme'.

When you tell a person that they can eat meat on their new diet, they hear 'EAT MEAT!!', and chickens, cows, salmon, pigs and most other things with a face start disappearing rapidly, multiple times a day 3+. If that person decides they want more protein, down goes some protein products, its a normal response. This is ok doing Paleo.

When you tell a person that they can eat Veggies on their new diet, they hear 'EAT VEGGIES!!', and first salad then cucumbers, squash, celery, onions, spinach, romaine, sweet potatoes start to disappear.Often 3x+ a day.That person may add in some 'greens' sups. Again, this is ok doing Paleo.

When you tell a person that they can eat Fruit on their new diet, they hear 'EAT FRUIT!!' and suddenly bananas, mangos, berries, apples, oranges, kiwis, begin to become extinct in their kitchen. That person then makes a leap, and starts consuming orange juice and/or honey (raw or not) on top of multiple fruit servings per day, just like w meat and veggies. THIS, is not ok. Its not ok for me. Its not ok for clients of mine. I believe science proves this is extremely unhealthy for most people.

People are creatures of habit, especially on 'diets'. I've had more people than I can count ask me why they cant lose anymore weight. A quick look at their diet and I find out they are 'snacking' on Almond Butter all day and eating a Genetically Modified Fructose bomb at each meal and then of course I get the 'What? Its Paleo, isnt it?' No, actually its not.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 17, 2012
at 06:17 PM

@Dave S, tee hee! I love a ripe banana but I can't handle TWO let alone 30 in a day. I'm willing to fight for my banana though. :-))

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:57 PM

I still disagree although I appreciate your thoughtful explanation. I think you can say, "A piece or 2 of whole fruit is fine but don't overdo." I guarantee ancient humans ate ripe fruit which in Africa was nearly always available. I happen to think the good things in fruit are much better than popping vitamin C supplements. To paint fruit as dangerous is alarmist particularly for active people for whom moderate fruit is the fastest way to replenish glycogen.

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on January 17, 2012
at 06:06 PM

And then cliff will tell you that eating lots of fruit is very healthy. Or check out Ray Peat adding sucrose to orange juice and drinking it. I'm somewhere between Bill and Nance here. i think the difference comes down to individual metabolism and goals. I'll leave the bananas to durianrider.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 17, 2012
at 04:55 PM

I still disagree although I appreciate your thoughtful explanation. I think you can say, "A piece or 2 of whole fruit is fine but don't overdo." I guarantee ancient humans ate ripe fruit which in Africa was nearly always available. I happen to think the good things in fruit are much better than popping vitamin C supplements. To paint fruit as dangerous is alarmist particularly for active people. Ancient humans stole a few eggs every spring yet some people eat large numbers of eggs every day. Should I say "no eggs" because someone might eat too many?

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 17, 2012
at 04:51 PM

I still disagree although I appreciate your thoughtful explanation. I think you can say, "A piece or 2 of whole fruit is okay but don't overdo." Trying to put fresh whole fruit in the same category as refined/processed HFCS is alarmist and I happen to think the good things in fruit are much better than popping vitamin C supplements. Those who eat dairy understand it shouldn't be the major segment of your diet. I don't think people should eat 12 eggs every day, but I think 3 or 4 are fine. Should I say "no eggs" because someone might eat too many?

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on January 17, 2012
at 03:56 PM

Awesome and congratulations! I was a competitive swimmer for years and now get it done via CrossFit and lifting weights - 4 days a week, and just general skipping about. What works for me isn't ideal for everyone, it was loads of tinkering until I got it right. I based it all off of a Paleo lifetyle that I saw in progress, it's still in affect as a matter of fact, but needed to add some additional items in. So adjusted and playing until I was at optimum level.

I definitely like Jaminet and Harris, explored Wolf and some others, and the ongoing N=1 experimentation. This is a crazy wonderful experience and instead of giving you "do this don't do that" I will just say.. have fun with it, it shouldn't be a chore. When you adjust and find that nutrition spot that works for you? Wowzers, it's amazing.

Note: I'm happy to edit with a day of meals if you're curious :)

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 17, 2012
at 07:03 PM

since you have a swimming background I think you should add the meal plan. But that's just me. :-))

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on January 17, 2012
at 03:46 PM

  1. What ever path you take make sure not to be to hard on yourself if you "mess up". Just think, you have another opportunity at your next meal to do your level best to eat clean, healthy and with less and less chemicals and contaminants.
  2. If you are trying to lose weight. BACK OFF the scale. I am a large person and it has taken me 1 year TODAY! to move 21 pounds, however, I have much more muscle, not crazy muscle but toned calves and much better looking arms and my torso is looking better all the time. I try to notice how my clothes feel and how much smaller I feel in some shirts and jeans...this to me is a great motivator.
  3. notice your moods, skin, breathing, hair, nails, (bowels) everything to see what has changed. if you search through the messages you will find where we have listed all the good side effects we have noticed. Some so small that it doesnt dawn us till months later...

Best of luck. If you are radically changing your habits, for example if you smoked, drank coffee, drink alcohol, drink sodas, and tons of carbs remind your self this will be tough in the beginning. Decide what you can live without TODAY and change as you go. Before I stared Paleo, I was a non drinker, non smoker, non soda drinker. I still drink coffee with heavy cream and tea and my carbs come from veggies and rarely fruit. So I think my transition was smoother than others but I still was really tired by week three. You MUST be prepared to feel that exhaustion. If you havent read about it, this may catch you off guard. But your body must convert from using sugar for fuel to using fats. Read all you can, make notes about what makes sense for you today and tweek it as you learn more!

Theresa

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on January 17, 2012
at 11:48 AM

Since you are starting paleo, I thought I'll share a great compendium about Paleo Lifestyle that I created: http://is.gd/paleo Cheers!

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on January 17, 2012
at 07:02 PM

Cool idea. Although why berries are with nuts instead of fruit puzzles me.

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at 06:19 PM

Before any suggestions, I'd like to know your reasons for following Paleo.

Here's why...

If you are starting out with some weight to lose, I'd suggest keeping potatoes down to a minimum. Those of us with insulin issues tend to overeat/binge unrepentantly when starch is invited to the party.

If you are fit, but overall health is your concern... potatoes might be your friend. They are a whole food and a compact energy source... although pound-for-pound sweet potatoes will provide considerably more nutrients.

If you are trying to resolve some sort of skin/intestinal issue, then going bare-bones paleo (safe starches only, avoiding nightshades (peppers/tomatoes/eggplant/some berries) might be the right way to go.

There are several paths to take, but knowing what your goals are will help you choose.

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