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Giving up fags, crazy appetite gain and wondering about regulating food?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 22, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Good morning everyone,

I am new here and new to Paleo. My name is Fiona. I am 52 and basically a housewife. My question relates to portion control and appetite. As I understand it, paleo is about allowing your body to begin to regulate itself back to health?

I discovered Paleo and started dabbling with the ideas about 3 months ago. I have made gradual changes to our family diet and shopping habits. Now me, my hubby and sons are essentially eating 90% organic free range. Shopping is mainly stuff from local markets: fresh meat and fish and locally farmed veggies and fruit. I also have rescue hens who are now happy free range girls who provide us with lovely warm eggs straight out of their nest every day : )

Hubby and sons are all slim. Shamefully, I am fat (several roly poly inches of flab plus cellulite) and I am struggling with a new greedy appetite and new interest in scoffing food. I say new because I have been slim my whole life with a balanced appetite, but after menopause and packing in the fags a year ago I developed a sudden interest in cooking and made piles of cakes and biscuits which I hoofed down with cappuccinos and sugary tea instead.

Anyway I don't do that any more, instead I crave nuts and dried fruit with a dandelion and burdock herbal infusion...

Sorry if this is newbie dumbness but does anyone have any suggestions about how a healthy appetite works and whether this guzzling phase will pass? I am worried about being fat, none of my nice clothes fit and at my age I don't want to get complacent and get stuck in a lardy old lady body. Hope this makes sense and thank you for reading. Yours sincerely, Fifi

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on February 26, 2013
at 07:58 PM

yes avoid the sugars, i would still reccomend coffee (unless it makes you smoke lol), and just eating a decent diet (all of the time if you can) will sort your body out it a large extent, good luck

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on February 26, 2013
at 11:50 AM

So that would be about 121 * 3, or 121 *4 grams of actual meat depending on the kind of meat. Some are 30% protein, some are 25% protein - try to get it from grassfed, pastured, or at least organic meats, and wild caught fish. Here's one: http://www.ehow.com/how_2084077_compute-protein-needs-using-lean.html

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on February 26, 2013
at 10:02 AM

Thank you. So as I understand it I need to basically knock the fruit out of my food intake for now. I already gave up coffee and tea as they were part of my cigarette habit so I only drink herbal teas now. I have been including sourdough rye bread which is very delicious but honestly I think I have been snacking a bit too much on that and spoiling my appetite for protein and veggies. Also the occasional croissant probably links in to a sugary craving too. I think I will try avoiding both those things and keep a log of how it goes. Thanks very much. Kind regards, Fi

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on February 26, 2013
at 09:53 AM

Thank you for your reply. Hubby does most of the cooking and he's been using coconut oil. My ideal weight is around 8stone 9pounds so I make that 121grams of protein. Could you point me towards any links so I can find out more information on that protein / weight ratio? Thank you. Kind regards, Fi

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on February 22, 2013
at 05:14 PM

+1 for non-offensive use of "fags," unlike other jerks on this forum who think it is an appropriate thing to call a group of human beings.

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on February 22, 2013
at 10:11 AM

You can't control your body's natural desires.

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on February 22, 2013
at 09:55 AM

Ha ha. For our cousins across the pond: 'packing in the fags' means: refraining from smoking tobacco products; giving up smoking; saying no more to cigarettes; abstaining from nicotine.

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on February 22, 2013
at 09:43 AM

Our American friends may be a bit bemused by your reference to "fags"!

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on February 22, 2013
at 01:11 PM

It will take a lot of time. The biggest problem will be kicking the sugar addiction, and fruit won't help here. Normally fruit come into season at the end of summer. We use the fructose in them as a signal to start packing on the pounds for winter. Modern sources of pure sugar are much worse.

Also note that just because sugar is sucrose doesn't mean it doesn't have the same effect as fructose, since we have an enzyme called sucrase that cleaves it into glucose and fructose.

You'll probably wind up with the low carb flu until your body learns to burn fat. To help it along you can do a few things. Start eating small amounts of coconut oil. You can add it to your coffee or cook with it. Over time increase this to about two tablespoons a day. Don't do it all at once or you'll be visiting the bathroom often.

Coconut oil is about 50% MCT oil (Medium Chain Triglycerides) which easily get converted to ketones and help give you a large dose of energy so you don't feel weak. They also rev up your metabolism and help you burn off fat. Look up bulletproof coffee, it will help quite a lot. If you're off coffee, you can make green or black tea the same way.

Alpha Lipoic Acid and L-Glutamine can be used to suppress sugar cravings.

Try to get most of your calories from fat, enough protein to sustain muscle/tissue repairs, and very little carbs. In terms of protein, you'll need something like 1g per pound of your ideal lean body weight. More than this will simply turn into glucose, and then stored as fat.

Weirdly enough, eating fat helps you lose fat. Eating carbs makes you store fat. This is because of insulin. It wants to keep your blood sugar low, so if your pancreas sees lots of blood sugar, it releases insulin to clear out your blood sugar. That signals fat and muscle cells to absorb all nutrients and that's how we get fat. A few minutes later we have a blood sugar crash and we crave more food leading to a cycle that sustains itself and makes us fat.

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on February 26, 2013
at 11:50 AM

So that would be about 121 * 3, or 121 *4 grams of actual meat depending on the kind of meat. Some are 30% protein, some are 25% protein - try to get it from grassfed, pastured, or at least organic meats, and wild caught fish. Here's one: http://www.ehow.com/how_2084077_compute-protein-needs-using-lean.html

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on February 26, 2013
at 09:53 AM

Thank you for your reply. Hubby does most of the cooking and he's been using coconut oil. My ideal weight is around 8stone 9pounds so I make that 121grams of protein. Could you point me towards any links so I can find out more information on that protein / weight ratio? Thank you. Kind regards, Fi

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on February 22, 2013
at 03:36 PM

Seth Roberts has a great way of lowering the appetite.

I was about 285lbs when I read Seth Roberts' stuff, and I had ballooned up to that size in part because I had quit smoking. Once I got the appetite under control I was able to migrate to paleo. I was also low carb and I counted calories.
Now I am 170lbs and would really like to gain a few pounds of muscle.

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on February 22, 2013
at 03:25 PM

It is well documented that when smokers quit they gain weight something like 10 pounds (although i can't remember the exact figure), smoking is an appetite suppressant. Appetite control is very complex with lots of factors, although most people in the paleo world will boil it down to your intake of carbs and subsequent insulin release, obviously it's not that simple.

-The amount of calories and nutritional quality of food plays a role. Eat enough high quality food and you will feel full. (Most important factor) -Faster carbs, high GI carbs will stimulate hunger, thus avoid sugars (dried fruit). -Meal timings and size also play a role; this really comes down to preference and what works for you. If 3 large meals satisfies you do that etc. -other factors, volume of food, speed you eat, perception of food etc. these factors are minor though

The problem might sort itself out after a month or so more of paleo, from personal experience i find the less I eat bad foods the less I crave them to the point where if I eat no bad foods I have absolutely no desire to eat them.

Tips to curb hunger -coffee works wonders -eat steamed/raw veggies -larger meals rather than constant snacking -skip breakfast (this becomes easy with practice) -ketogenic diet works well

1deaea445ff3b1cb5d1354a043dc8fb7

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on February 26, 2013
at 07:58 PM

yes avoid the sugars, i would still reccomend coffee (unless it makes you smoke lol), and just eating a decent diet (all of the time if you can) will sort your body out it a large extent, good luck

441bfa50018e73a4310d8760181c3679

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on February 26, 2013
at 10:02 AM

Thank you. So as I understand it I need to basically knock the fruit out of my food intake for now. I already gave up coffee and tea as they were part of my cigarette habit so I only drink herbal teas now. I have been including sourdough rye bread which is very delicious but honestly I think I have been snacking a bit too much on that and spoiling my appetite for protein and veggies. Also the occasional croissant probably links in to a sugary craving too. I think I will try avoiding both those things and keep a log of how it goes. Thanks very much. Kind regards, Fi

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