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Changes in teeth

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Created April 01, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Has anyone noticed changes in their teeth since changing their eating habits? My boyfriend and I have been eating paleo for 4 weeks (and love it!) and have both noticed that our teeth are looking discolored and staining more easily. For example, if I drink red wine my teeth look purple and stay that way for a long time. This hasn't happened to me before. My boyfriend notices the same thing with coffee.

We haven't made any changes in our dental hygiene habits.

We aren't 100% paleo I'd say more like 85%-90%. No grains, no beans, no dairy, no potatoes. Occasionally some non-paleo stuff slips in because of prepared sauces and eating out.

Recently we have also started supplementing vitamin D, fish oil, and I also take a general multivitamin.

Thoughts? Solutions?

Thanks!

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on October 30, 2011
at 03:58 AM

Hannah -- Thanks so much for that link. I was losing my mind wondering what was going on with my teeth since going Paleo. Now I have some direction.

9ac8a7b68cf079b22de42b703e466e64

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on April 04, 2011
at 06:09 AM

agreed. my teeth feel stronger. that sounds kind of weird but it's true

C8521a858edd480815a55f683afff86a

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on April 03, 2011
at 06:34 PM

I'm not sure this is technically an answer to the original question? That's great that you see a difference in your teeth though.

C8521a858edd480815a55f683afff86a

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on April 03, 2011
at 06:31 PM

@midwesterner- I have heard WAPFers claim that their young children seemed to develop wider jaws after being on the diet, this could be feasible b/c they are still growing. In your situation it's more likely that removing eight teeth has allowed your other teeth to spread out.

C8521a858edd480815a55f683afff86a

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on April 03, 2011
at 06:28 PM

@David- I agree, I don't think it has anything to do with plaque build up, just teeth structure-therefore I don't think this answers the question very well. Weston Price noted that some of the people he studied who had amazing teeth and jaw structure had almost green, mossy teeth b/c they didn't brush. Also, I think how much tarter/plaque you build up has a lot to do with individual body chemistry.

D0578c3826123f66a80b034cd3e78816

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on April 02, 2011
at 08:43 PM

I've also blogged on this topic of dental health in case you want more information: http://upbuilding.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/conclusions-on-dealing-with-dental-issues/

D0578c3826123f66a80b034cd3e78816

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on April 02, 2011
at 08:30 PM

Take a look at this: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/vitamin-k2-menatetrenone-mk-4.html Vitamin K2 is only found in animal foods and natto and is different from Vitamin K which inefficiently converts in the body to K2. I would take cod liver oil and a separate K2 supplement. 150% of D is also probably too little. 2000 to 5000 IU vitamin D is in the ballpark for most people unless they get a lot of sunshine (150% of RDA for vitamin D is 600 IU). Also, since D works with A, fermented cod liver oil is a good supplement as it has both in a decent ratio of 5:2 A:D.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on April 02, 2011
at 06:49 PM

I'm wondering how it might be that the vitamin K2 (or whatever) might reduce plaque. I can see how it might strengthen the teeth structurally, but can't see how it would reduce external plaque...

8603cae947a9b803f704301e477102bd

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on April 02, 2011
at 06:03 PM

That's a great link. Her experience reflects my own. I also brush with a Sonicare plus Colgate whitening toothpaste. My teeth are much whiter for it. When I began primal/paleo eating I also took a more natural path with my dental hygiene--I quit using commercial toothpaste for baking soda. Eventually my teeth got darker and darker. It freaked me out. The Sonicare alone wasn't enough. It took the Colgate toothpaste to bring my white pearlies back. Thank goodness. :)

60c061f4b024f9ac421b27bf93b40ebe

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on April 02, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Do you know of any good sources for the recommended daily amounts of the vitamins? The multi-viatmin that I take says I'm getting 100% for A and K. 150% for D. 50% calcium and 25% magnesium. Also is there a difference in vitamin K? My multi-vitamin says it is "vitamin K (as phytonadione) is that different than K2? Thanks for your help!

60c061f4b024f9ac421b27bf93b40ebe

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on April 02, 2011
at 04:34 PM

Thank you for your help! I'm going to make sure I'm getting enough fat in my diet (I'm still trying to break some of the SAD mentalities like low fat being better) and give oil pulling a try. It looks interesting and it seems harmless at the worst and at best it might help.

Cc2a43461ec5b2b7ba5d55215ea0f068

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on April 02, 2011
at 02:46 PM

Question for the med types on this answer - is it out of the realm of possibilities for a jaw to spread after starting paleo? My jaw is smallish with ENORMOUS prehistoric type teeth (didn't get cavities before paleo) to the point where eight were removed just to get the rest to fit. I swear my jaw has spread and my teeth have gotten straighter since I started this. Is that possible or completely my imagination?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on April 02, 2011
at 02:54 AM

I used to be a dentist before i went back to med school. oMFS for me.....

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on April 02, 2011
at 12:24 AM

to name but one, 'Effect of Oil Pulling on Plaque and Gingivitis, By HV Amith, Anil V Ankola, L Nagesh, Journal of Oral Health & Community Dentistry: 2007 ;1(1):Pages 12-18'

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on April 01, 2011
at 11:14 PM

Can you cite any studies showing that oil pulling has any actual benefit?

Da681d976130df15aac3984013aaad6d

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on April 01, 2011
at 09:57 PM

same here, whiter teeth!

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D0578c3826123f66a80b034cd3e78816

(565)

on April 01, 2011
at 08:31 PM

For teeth, you need to ensure sufficient amounts of vitamins A, D, and K2 along with enough calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus. If you are not eating grass-fed butter, bones, or organ meats you may be missing out on sufficient quantities of some of these.

D0578c3826123f66a80b034cd3e78816

(565)

on April 02, 2011
at 08:43 PM

I've also blogged on this topic of dental health in case you want more information: http://upbuilding.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/conclusions-on-dealing-with-dental-issues/

D0578c3826123f66a80b034cd3e78816

(565)

on April 02, 2011
at 08:30 PM

Take a look at this: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/vitamin-k2-menatetrenone-mk-4.html Vitamin K2 is only found in animal foods and natto and is different from Vitamin K which inefficiently converts in the body to K2. I would take cod liver oil and a separate K2 supplement. 150% of D is also probably too little. 2000 to 5000 IU vitamin D is in the ballpark for most people unless they get a lot of sunshine (150% of RDA for vitamin D is 600 IU). Also, since D works with A, fermented cod liver oil is a good supplement as it has both in a decent ratio of 5:2 A:D.

60c061f4b024f9ac421b27bf93b40ebe

(220)

on April 02, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Do you know of any good sources for the recommended daily amounts of the vitamins? The multi-viatmin that I take says I'm getting 100% for A and K. 150% for D. 50% calcium and 25% magnesium. Also is there a difference in vitamin K? My multi-vitamin says it is "vitamin K (as phytonadione) is that different than K2? Thanks for your help!

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4e9937125cf066d6c03e2a0d43829955

on April 02, 2011
at 12:41 AM

Weird. I'm a biologic dentist so I know a bit about teeth:) Since cutting out grains AND adding vitamin K2 (butter oil), I have noticed a huge change . . . plaque just seems to hate my teeth. They always feel smooth and clean. Make sure you're getting enough fat--that means a ton of fat. I think the problemo will go away.

Cc2a43461ec5b2b7ba5d55215ea0f068

(236)

on April 02, 2011
at 02:46 PM

Question for the med types on this answer - is it out of the realm of possibilities for a jaw to spread after starting paleo? My jaw is smallish with ENORMOUS prehistoric type teeth (didn't get cavities before paleo) to the point where eight were removed just to get the rest to fit. I swear my jaw has spread and my teeth have gotten straighter since I started this. Is that possible or completely my imagination?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on April 02, 2011
at 02:54 AM

I used to be a dentist before i went back to med school. oMFS for me.....

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on April 02, 2011
at 06:49 PM

I'm wondering how it might be that the vitamin K2 (or whatever) might reduce plaque. I can see how it might strengthen the teeth structurally, but can't see how it would reduce external plaque...

C8521a858edd480815a55f683afff86a

(2065)

on April 03, 2011
at 06:31 PM

@midwesterner- I have heard WAPFers claim that their young children seemed to develop wider jaws after being on the diet, this could be feasible b/c they are still growing. In your situation it's more likely that removing eight teeth has allowed your other teeth to spread out.

60c061f4b024f9ac421b27bf93b40ebe

(220)

on April 02, 2011
at 04:34 PM

Thank you for your help! I'm going to make sure I'm getting enough fat in my diet (I'm still trying to break some of the SAD mentalities like low fat being better) and give oil pulling a try. It looks interesting and it seems harmless at the worst and at best it might help.

C8521a858edd480815a55f683afff86a

(2065)

on April 03, 2011
at 06:28 PM

@David- I agree, I don't think it has anything to do with plaque build up, just teeth structure-therefore I don't think this answers the question very well. Weston Price noted that some of the people he studied who had amazing teeth and jaw structure had almost green, mossy teeth b/c they didn't brush. Also, I think how much tarter/plaque you build up has a lot to do with individual body chemistry.

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C8521a858edd480815a55f683afff86a

(2065)

on April 02, 2011
at 04:37 PM

Melissa C- Are you noticing a general increase in the darkening/staining/graying of your teeth or just after you actually consume something known to stain, like wine?

If yes to the former than I have had the exact same thing since I started eating paleo. After about two months in my teeth started looking very dingy and almost gray. I was so worried something was happening to my enamel, but when I took a little scraper to my teeth, the film scratched right off. When I went in to have a dental cleaning every bit of the gray came off and my teeth were so white underneath. But it didn't take long before I was noticing staining/graying again.

I did some research and it turns out that this is pretty common among SCD and GAPS dieters. If you are not familiar with these diets, they are very similar to paleo. GAPS is based on meat, broth, animal fats, some fermented dairy and fruits and vegetables. Anyways, this issue is discussed here, please read this:

http://gapsguide.com/2010/04/07/gaps-healing-teeth-part-2/

In short, it is believed to be caused by a shift in body flora as they adapt to your new diet. This is not a sign of any damage to your teeth.

The graying of my teeth has slowed way down now and I have been eating this way for a year. I do have to brush with baking soda every so often or my teeth start looking extra dingy. Everybody will have different reactions to changing their diet in such a dramatic way. After a lifetime of loads of refined sugar and carbs it make sense that the gut flora has a little shifting around to do when these things are removed. This shift can exhibit itself in strange ways!

Good Luck!

8603cae947a9b803f704301e477102bd

(80)

on April 02, 2011
at 06:03 PM

That's a great link. Her experience reflects my own. I also brush with a Sonicare plus Colgate whitening toothpaste. My teeth are much whiter for it. When I began primal/paleo eating I also took a more natural path with my dental hygiene--I quit using commercial toothpaste for baking soda. Eventually my teeth got darker and darker. It freaked me out. The Sonicare alone wasn't enough. It took the Colgate toothpaste to bring my white pearlies back. Thank goodness. :)

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on October 30, 2011
at 03:58 AM

Hannah -- Thanks so much for that link. I was losing my mind wondering what was going on with my teeth since going Paleo. Now I have some direction.

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 01, 2011
at 09:25 PM

I have found the opposite. My teeth are whiter and stronger than ever before, and so are my nails incidentally.

Da681d976130df15aac3984013aaad6d

(720)

on April 01, 2011
at 09:57 PM

same here, whiter teeth!

9ac8a7b68cf079b22de42b703e466e64

(787)

on April 04, 2011
at 06:09 AM

agreed. my teeth feel stronger. that sounds kind of weird but it's true

C8521a858edd480815a55f683afff86a

(2065)

on April 03, 2011
at 06:34 PM

I'm not sure this is technically an answer to the original question? That's great that you see a difference in your teeth though.

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13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on April 02, 2011
at 12:26 AM

Check out dr Ellies blog for info on teeth staining due to bacterial die off. She is not Paleo but has a lot to say about cleaning toothbrushes etc.

Did you happen to chew a lot of sorbitol gum, for example?

http://www.Hunter-Gatherer.com/blog/more-reasons-date-paleo

http://askdrellie.blogspot.com/2009/07/xylitol-vs-sorbitol.html

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2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 01, 2011
at 09:41 PM

If you are not consuming enough fat, try oil-pulling

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on April 01, 2011
at 11:14 PM

Can you cite any studies showing that oil pulling has any actual benefit?

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 02, 2011
at 12:24 AM

to name but one, 'Effect of Oil Pulling on Plaque and Gingivitis, By HV Amith, Anil V Ankola, L Nagesh, Journal of Oral Health & Community Dentistry: 2007 ;1(1):Pages 12-18'

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D7218bb81808358eb6d513f194520020

on April 01, 2011
at 09:18 PM

I have also noticed this myself. Usually after a few glasses of wine. I was concerned that the darkening/greying was happened from the inside off my teeth. However, with the use of a dental scaler (usually available at drug stores) I was able to easily scrape the film off and ultimately reveal the same (mostly) white and healthy tooth underneath. I cannot be certain if this is a result of a positive or negative process as I feel that the overall heath of my teeth and gums has improved since transiting to an 80/20 paleo diet. I should add that I HAVE changed my teeth brushing habits; I brush and floss twice daily, but I do not regularly use anything more than just water and a Sonicare. I do not use any toothpaste or other oral health products with the exception of the occasional power-brushing with a drop of Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Castile soap.

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4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on April 02, 2011
at 02:38 PM

Are you eating acidic foods/beverages more now??

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307c9129b8e1dd0433a3fbb16e0c4a92

on April 02, 2011
at 02:50 AM

I am only new to Plaeo, having jus completed the 30 day challenge, I haven't noticed any change to teeth colour but my gums have looked 'healthier' and the sensitivty of the teeth seems to have diminished.

Eg. I used to have almost daily teeth 'nerve pain' but my dentist said I have no caivities? Haven't had any tooth pain for the past month, when I had a licoriche stick as a celebration treat on day 31 then BAM! Tooth pain!

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 02, 2011
at 12:35 AM

There is a very sensitive Ca PO4 pump in the teeth that Paleo dieting clearly sensitizes. Moreover, eating Paleo also reverses fluorosis on enamel and that also appears to change the facade of our teeth.

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