0

votes

Scare me away from eating neolithic foods

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 05, 2011 at 1:26 AM

Sometimes I eat neolithic junk (I don't like most neolithic/processed foods, so usually it's ice cream...I have to like it to eat it) that I KNOW isn't good for me but I tell myself it's not that bad here and there. I know it's not the end of the world, and I do eat about 80-90% (paleo)/ 10-20% and have been eating this way for over 3 years now. So what I'm asking is if you guys have any "scare me away from eating neolithic foods" sources- text, video, etc because I feel that that's the only way I'm gunna stop eating the junk (at least while my goal is fat loss). Plus, it's always good to have on hand if someone is interested in paleo. Thanks!

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 06, 2011
at 01:43 PM

Thanks man!! :D

Medium avatar

(5639)

on May 06, 2011
at 03:54 AM

Congrats on gradumicating bee tee dubs!

Medium avatar

(5639)

on May 06, 2011
at 03:54 AM

Mmmmm Bruster's! Man, you are making me seriously miss Bloomington. I bet the weather there is amazing, and man, Bloomington in the spring, what a great place....miss it. I miss Collins, I lived there for 2 years, such a great dorm.

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on May 06, 2011
at 02:32 AM

Hyperbolic helpfulness? ;)

03f5a69fde4012b827ebdb6d93b71e7a

(2007)

on May 06, 2011
at 01:47 AM

I'm somewhere between these comments on the book. I found myself skimming parts of it and copious eyerolling, but I *did* quite like it because it pieces together things I haven't seen elsewhere. I would recommend it but only to someone with a healthy logical mind who already is familiar with the paleosphere.

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on May 06, 2011
at 01:34 AM

I think it really depends on how much. So how much ice cream are you eating? If "now and then" is like a pint every other day, that might be an issue. I think occasional indulgence in conventional, gluten free deserts is probably fine. But it's probably worth eliminating it for a while and seeing how you feel. If you think you can't do that- that might be an issue.

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on May 06, 2011
at 01:31 AM

I dunno- I feel like some of these "paleo desserts" will just lead people to consume ridiculous amounts of nuts- almond flour being the staple of many of these items. I remember a recent post from a woman who was eating anout 3-5 "paleo" muffins A DAY. That is an insane amount of almond flour. I'm not totally sure, but I'd guess an occasional scoop of good ice cream is better than that.

Eeb593d6b6d7a939fdd5469b69347d5f

(1037)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:32 PM

Yes, page 70, via AGEs. He doesn't say "eating sugar will immediately age you and give you cancer" of course. But that's the endgame.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:48 PM

Does Robb specifically mention premature aging and cancer resulting from sugar consumption in his book?

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:35 PM

I loved the book (I guess I like hyperbole?). Yes there are some fantastic claims but the science of how our hormones work is unavoidable. The first 3 or 4 chapters are all the hyperbole, then middle chapters are the gold. Seriously, gold.

Bbd50c115fa066bea3ac23a4e82447ff

(558)

on May 05, 2011
at 12:49 PM

Becker, I found the book virtually unreadable. The author's style is so hyperbolic that it really detracted from the message. I think the actual tips for sleep and diet to be useful but it's buried amidst the terrible writing. And she makes so many grandiose, unsupported statements.

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 05, 2011
at 11:19 AM

Thanks, melissa! :D

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:33 AM

hahaha. I know, i'm sorry! I've taken up splitting them with my husband (not because i wanted to at first, but he kept taking bites out of my ice cream bar!) so now i've taken up usually sharing a bar with him, since that whole taking a bite or two works both ways.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:17 AM

OMG. Tartare, that's just not playing fair! /scribbles down "Julie's Organics".

B61f6513a155cd874b42efdad55312f6

(231)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:02 AM

coconut chips are just dried coconut shavings

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:53 AM

i have a soft spot for http://www.juliesorganic.com/ice_cream_bars/ coffee flavored... 15 grams of sugar per bar and like 5 total ingredients. i have one now and again.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:49 AM

/o/ Yaaaay! Ice cream! Congrats on the college deal too. ;)

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:46 AM

there are some good threads here on what constitutes a "full" test and I would consider testing for antibodies to thyroid hormones and iodine too.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:40 AM

and I've had the cough for 10-15 years.... I only started smoking weed "regularly" about 2-3 years ago.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:32 AM

Tartare- thanks for your response. I haven't had my thyroid checked out as I just assumed it was due to the fatty liver my naturopath diagnosed me with, but my blood work indicated my liver is functioning normally.... maybe I will get my thyroid checked out. Thank you for the suggestion and reminder.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:25 AM

I'm trudging through it right now. The authors make some ridiculous and unsupported statements. For example, "Our ancestors got 80-90% of their calories from protein." Really??? I think TS Wiley might want to consider why exactly cavemen would trim the fat off their meat and avoid fruits and tubers. That being said, if you look past her exaggerations, their are some good bits about sleep and hormones. I'd put it in the "maybe read" category.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:25 AM

i guess it could be just something on *my* mind and it could just be the weed giving you the cough but, i thought i'd throw it out there.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:22 AM

Danielle, I was looking at some things you said in some other posts... nagging weight gain,slow loss,depression,chronic tickle in the throat cough,sleep issues... have you had your thyroid thoroughly checked out?

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:14 AM

I've had my eye on that book for awhile, but the Amazon comments scare me away a little. They say that the references section is painfully which brings into question the legitimacy of some of their claims. And some reviewers said that neither of the authors had any real background in science before they decided to write the book. Any opinions on that? Does the material in the book seem reasonable to you? Just curious to know before I commit to reading it.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:06 AM

Thanks Gillie! I will look this one up.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:05 AM

Great post, becker, thanks. I feel the same way about pizza etc. I love Yogurtland, I get the plain tart yogurt and put fruit, nuts, and white chocolate pieces on it (my favorite). I looked up the lecture on youtube, did you mean Dr. Robert Lustig's "Sugar: The Bitter Truth"?

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Maaaaybe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM. Wear a diaper while you watch it. I crapped myself a dozen times. Just a heads-up.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:02 AM

Great response, becker, thanks. Is the lecture on youtube?

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:59 AM

Ryan- what are coconut chips?

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:58 AM

Thanks for the recommendation, Forrest. Why We Get Fat by Taubes is supposed to be really good too.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:57 AM

I was actually going to post yesterday about making paleo ice cream! I usually don't want it, but I smoke weed before I go to sleep (I've had insomnia for years and sleeping pills don't work) but it always makes me want ice cream.

B61f6513a155cd874b42efdad55312f6

(231)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:55 AM

I just purchased a bunch of raw cashews and macadamia nuts, along with some coconut chips and coconut flour, and because one of them was on special, I received a bag of honey roasted peanuts with them...now, the ingredients list is short, but still, it's peanuts and lots of sugar...but I can't help myself!

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:37 AM

How often are you eating the ice cream? If you get good stuff, I don't think it's the worst cheat ever. If you seriously love ice cream, buy an ice cream maker and make your own coconut milk stuff! Denying yourself something you truly enjoy isn't always worth it.

  • 65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

    asked by

    (2944)
  • Views
    2.4K
  • Last Activity
    1461D AGO
Frontpage book

Get FREE instant access to our Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!

8 Answers

5
A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:03 AM

Read Lights, Out: Sleep, Sugar & Survival. That one will scare you!

Sugar causes poor sleep causes sugar cravings causes poor sleep causes everything from cancer to Alzheimer's to death! Read the book and take notes.

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on May 06, 2011
at 02:32 AM

Hyperbolic helpfulness? ;)

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:35 PM

I loved the book (I guess I like hyperbole?). Yes there are some fantastic claims but the science of how our hormones work is unavoidable. The first 3 or 4 chapters are all the hyperbole, then middle chapters are the gold. Seriously, gold.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:06 AM

Thanks Gillie! I will look this one up.

03f5a69fde4012b827ebdb6d93b71e7a

(2007)

on May 06, 2011
at 01:47 AM

I'm somewhere between these comments on the book. I found myself skimming parts of it and copious eyerolling, but I *did* quite like it because it pieces together things I haven't seen elsewhere. I would recommend it but only to someone with a healthy logical mind who already is familiar with the paleosphere.

Bbd50c115fa066bea3ac23a4e82447ff

(558)

on May 05, 2011
at 12:49 PM

Becker, I found the book virtually unreadable. The author's style is so hyperbolic that it really detracted from the message. I think the actual tips for sleep and diet to be useful but it's buried amidst the terrible writing. And she makes so many grandiose, unsupported statements.

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:14 AM

I've had my eye on that book for awhile, but the Amazon comments scare me away a little. They say that the references section is painfully which brings into question the legitimacy of some of their claims. And some reviewers said that neither of the authors had any real background in science before they decided to write the book. Any opinions on that? Does the material in the book seem reasonable to you? Just curious to know before I commit to reading it.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:25 AM

I'm trudging through it right now. The authors make some ridiculous and unsupported statements. For example, "Our ancestors got 80-90% of their calories from protein." Really??? I think TS Wiley might want to consider why exactly cavemen would trim the fat off their meat and avoid fruits and tubers. That being said, if you look past her exaggerations, their are some good bits about sleep and hormones. I'd put it in the "maybe read" category.

4
A65499f2f8c65602881550fe309cd48c

(3501)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:28 AM

ok, seriously..if you're truly eating the 80-90% unprocessed foods and your food vice choice is a good quality ice-cream, or something akin to that it seems to me that freaking out over that little bit of "cheat" is going to age you more, suck the life out of you more and create more issues than the food will. I realize i'm not as "hard core" as some folks around here and that's ok...I applaud those that are so in tune with this whole paleo eating that they are truly happy with their food choices, but sometimes it seems a bit over done. I mean...wasn't early man also an opportunity eater? i'm sure if "he" found something yummy and could indulge once in awhile (because we know the grocery store wasn't there to provide) he would! Without a thought as to how it would affect him/her. Our problem in society today is that those opportunities are rampant and it's not a once in awhile thing..it's every day, every meal if we want it. so that's my take on it...

3
Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:58 AM

Listen to Dr. Stanley Lustig's lecture on fructose. Ridiculously informative, and it'll give you second, third, fourth, and fifth thoughts about things with tons of sucrose added, like most ice creams. Seriously, the evidence damning fructose is startlingly strong. You owe it to your health to watch that.

That said, ice cream is my only remaining Neolithic vice. Not even pizza phases me anymore. Fresh herbed bread at a nice French restaurant? Piss off, Pierre. But I can never turn down anyone asking me to go to Bruster's... Am I going there tomorrow? As sure as I'm not an orthorexic, I am. I graduate college in 2 days, why the hell not? :D

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:17 AM

OMG. Tartare, that's just not playing fair! /scribbles down "Julie's Organics".

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:53 AM

i have a soft spot for http://www.juliesorganic.com/ice_cream_bars/ coffee flavored... 15 grams of sugar per bar and like 5 total ingredients. i have one now and again.

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Maaaaybe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM. Wear a diaper while you watch it. I crapped myself a dozen times. Just a heads-up.

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 05, 2011
at 11:19 AM

Thanks, melissa! :D

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:02 AM

Great response, becker, thanks. Is the lecture on youtube?

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 06, 2011
at 01:43 PM

Thanks man!! :D

Medium avatar

(5639)

on May 06, 2011
at 03:54 AM

Mmmmm Bruster's! Man, you are making me seriously miss Bloomington. I bet the weather there is amazing, and man, Bloomington in the spring, what a great place....miss it. I miss Collins, I lived there for 2 years, such a great dorm.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:05 AM

Great post, becker, thanks. I feel the same way about pizza etc. I love Yogurtland, I get the plain tart yogurt and put fruit, nuts, and white chocolate pieces on it (my favorite). I looked up the lecture on youtube, did you mean Dr. Robert Lustig's "Sugar: The Bitter Truth"?

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:33 AM

hahaha. I know, i'm sorry! I've taken up splitting them with my husband (not because i wanted to at first, but he kept taking bites out of my ice cream bar!) so now i've taken up usually sharing a bar with him, since that whole taking a bite or two works both ways.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:49 AM

/o/ Yaaaay! Ice cream! Congrats on the college deal too. ;)

Medium avatar

(5639)

on May 06, 2011
at 03:54 AM

Congrats on gradumicating bee tee dubs!

2
6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on May 06, 2011
at 01:12 AM

Google search "Long term effects of diabetes." You should get references to loss of limbs and eye sight. Then tour or volunteer at the worst nursing home in your area. I work at one and its sad to see the effects of long term abuse and what it does to the body. It also upsets you to see the solutions the medical industry comes up with for these people's illness.

Not that I have anything against nursing homes or my elderly patients, but for a lot of them proper diet and exercise could have kept them independent. For some, it's not totally thier fault, they did what the Doctor told them. Then look at the billions of dollars being spent by Medicare and Medicaid to treat and care for them.

2
345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 05, 2011
at 12:29 PM

why dont you just make your own version of junk food?

there are some pretty decadent desserts out there using all primal ingredients that will satisfy your cravings and get rid of the guilt. Try this link: http://www.dessertstalker.com/

scroll down to the almond coconut chocolate drops, I dont even make it to dipping them in chocolate, they are awesome!!

just remember everything in moderation!!

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on May 06, 2011
at 01:31 AM

I dunno- I feel like some of these "paleo desserts" will just lead people to consume ridiculous amounts of nuts- almond flour being the staple of many of these items. I remember a recent post from a woman who was eating anout 3-5 "paleo" muffins A DAY. That is an insane amount of almond flour. I'm not totally sure, but I'd guess an occasional scoop of good ice cream is better than that.

1
Eeb593d6b6d7a939fdd5469b69347d5f

(1037)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:35 AM

Read Robb Wolf's book. You'll be scared pretty quickly.

How's premature aging sound to you? And cancer...but premature aging scared me the most.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:58 AM

Thanks for the recommendation, Forrest. Why We Get Fat by Taubes is supposed to be really good too.

Eeb593d6b6d7a939fdd5469b69347d5f

(1037)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:32 PM

Yes, page 70, via AGEs. He doesn't say "eating sugar will immediately age you and give you cancer" of course. But that's the endgame.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:48 PM

Does Robb specifically mention premature aging and cancer resulting from sugar consumption in his book?

0
C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on May 05, 2011
at 12:34 PM

0
Bcb2f5436d11467e89123680c046b858

(1356)

on May 05, 2011
at 10:40 AM

I'm currently reading "Deep Nutrition" by Cate Shanahan MD. I heard about her on the MDA forum, then listened to her interview with Sean Croxton. She leans more towards WAPF than paleo, but she has a whole chapter on why seed oils are bad for you - it scared the hell out of me! I'm just beginning the sugar chapter, and I expect it to be equally frightening. I think it's a fantastic book.

Answer Question


Get FREE instant access to our
Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!