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Sugar for Nausea?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 21, 2012 at 12:25 AM

I am so sick from my chemo this round. None of the meds are working and I haven't eaten for two days.

The only thing that seems appealing in the whole entire world is frosting. I have no idea why. My Dr. told me sugar is good for nausea!?! I am debating whether to get some frosting or to go back to bed and ride this out.

Looking for strength to resist/suggestions please.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

I don't think I could make it now, but I am saving that idea for later :-)

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:05 PM

me too! the gelatin add-in is brilliant!

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 24, 2012
at 03:16 AM

Sweet! Im laughing out loud here. Yes friends, for sure. Thanks. And I totally understand your response. Great that you have grown/ branched out in your profession too. That's great.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 22, 2012
at 06:09 PM

GROUP HUG!!! Ya'll are both awesome for this.

3c86170af93926dc8b7a03a98ad12bc9

(110)

on July 22, 2012
at 02:59 PM

Crowlover, I would gladly accept your apology if you would accept mine for having such a knee-jerk reaction myself and for being so thin-skinned. :) If it makes you feel any better, five years ago you would have been justified in including me in that lot. My profession in general deserves every scathing comment you can muster, and it's only been by the grace of God that my eyes have been opened to what's right (rather than what they force-fed me in nursing school). Thank you for your very genteel response. Friends?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 22, 2012
at 07:33 AM

You guys are both super awesome for this. I would never admit to any kind of illegal activity, but after I got an ulcer and gluten intolerance from prescription medication, and could barely eat, and the doctors told me to eat toast and crackers for my nausea... well, sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do to get calories down the hatch and not starve.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 22, 2012
at 02:49 AM

I apologize EECP. I did not mean it personally at all rather the allopathic medical profession in general but I should not have assumed or generalized. Sorry about that. Its just so frustrating what "typical" health care recommends. I do apologize for being rude. I try to be nice on this sight actually! You wouldn't have guessed by this. lol Thanks Amy B. :)

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 21, 2012
at 05:17 PM

I don't think Crowlover meant to insult you personally. We all stereotype and generalize sometimes. (You should see what's been said on PH about registered dieticians and MDs.) Don't take it personally.

3c86170af93926dc8b7a03a98ad12bc9

(110)

on July 21, 2012
at 04:45 PM

Crowlover...wow. Way to paint a group of people with a single brush. You do not know me, and you do not know that I would even consider feeding cancer patients junk sugar. In fact, I do not. I do not even work in an allopathic "health care" facility. Some of us actually believe in doing no harm. Thanks for stepping in when I was out, Amy.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:58 PM

I was also just reading about how insulin spikes more in people who are lower carb, because there body insulin levels lower to allow free glucose to be used by the brain instead of muscle. Some low carbers report heart palpitations and symptoms like a diabetic shock from ingesting of very large amounts of sugar! because there body isnt used to it. If you are normally quite low carb, id at least be careful with ingesting too much sugar. If your medium carb, its probably less of an issue.

8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

(2830)

on July 21, 2012
at 12:56 PM

If the cheesecake made you feel good, that's awesome. You really just need to do what you can to get by for the forseeable future (my opinion).

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 21, 2012
at 08:18 AM

Ah, well thats makes things alot easier then!

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 05:06 AM

great idea!! Come to WA and get a card! She's in NY, not China. lol

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on July 21, 2012
at 04:53 AM

My insurance company was horrible with the Zofran too until I was able to get my doctor to argue with them for a limit increase. I can't believe it didn't work for you. That sucks. Nausea is the worst. I hope you find something that works for you soon!

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 03:54 AM

I will try the benadryl. In my pharmaceutical arsenal I currently have Zofran (although insurance limits me to 8 pills a month), compazine, emend, alprazolam, and Dexadron. So far none of those are working :-/

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:55 AM

THank you, good info

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:51 AM

No, I know what you meant. Sometimes I feel like I would eat poison if it would make the nausea stop!

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:50 AM

And last time I was in the chemo suite they kept pushing soda and ginger ale :-/

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:50 AM

My oncologist (who is often wrong, despite being well educated and top in her field) told me that most everything is eventually metabolized to sugar, so it doesn't matter what you eat. She says people got the wrong idea from how PET scans work.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:47 AM

I don't think I can make anything right now, but my husband just came home with a slice of cheesecake. I feel bad eating it and then going right back to bed.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:24 AM

Thanks Amy B. So stupid what is done for "health" in this country.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:00 AM

Google Otto Warburg or the Warburg Effect for more info. This has been known for a *long* time in the medical world. Why do they still pump cancer patients full of sugary crap? The same reason they give orange juice & pancakes to diabetics...

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:59 AM

@Crow: yes, some types of cancer cells are exquisitely sensitive to glucose. They metabolize fuel differently from healthy cells. They mostly use fermentation rather than oxidative phosphorylation. (They have a mostly anaerobic, rather than aerobic metabolism.) Fermentation is not especially efficient (doesn't generate a lot of ATP), so cancer cells need WAY MORE glucose than healthy cells. They suck it up like mad. This is why cancerous tumors get bigger and bigger while the rest of the body wastes away.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:31 AM

Do they really? Don't all cells "feed" on sugar. What does that even mean? Is this a scientific fact? And if so why do you/you colleagues feed cancer patients so much sugar when they are in the hospital? She'd likely have a IV AND Jello if she were in a health care facility. Is there a source for this claim? I don't mean to sound confrontational here but I hope there is some science behind your statement. Thanks

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:28 AM

do they really? I mean is this a known scientific fact? And if so why do you/you colleagues feed cancer patients so much sugar when they are in the hospital? She'd likely have a IV AND Jello if she were in a health care facility. Is there a source for this claim? Thanks

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 12:55 AM

Geez sorry. Didn't exactly give you help resisting, did I. Then again to me, frosting is butter cream sugar cocoa.... I hope you didn't mean a tub of Betty Crocker.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 12:45 AM

geez Sage. that sounds amazing.

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on July 21, 2012
at 12:33 AM

do you think vanilla'd whipped cream with gelaten dissolved in would hit the spot?

two days with no calories can't be good for you love. cut yourself some slack and eat anything that you can stomach.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

I don't think I could make it now, but I am saving that idea for later :-)

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 12:45 AM

geez Sage. that sounds amazing.

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:05 PM

me too! the gelatin add-in is brilliant!

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 21, 2012
at 04:50 AM

Best anti-nasea agent known to man is marijuana (I dont smoke it BTW). Where anti-nasea pills fail, pot will work.

Unfortunately its hard to get. Probably harder in china? But if I was in your shoes, Id probably be looking to get some. (or even some form of mild synthetic cannabinoid mix thats legal where u live?).

Just an idea. Sorry you feel crappy!

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 22, 2012
at 07:33 AM

You guys are both super awesome for this. I would never admit to any kind of illegal activity, but after I got an ulcer and gluten intolerance from prescription medication, and could barely eat, and the doctors told me to eat toast and crackers for my nausea... well, sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do to get calories down the hatch and not starve.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 05:06 AM

great idea!! Come to WA and get a card! She's in NY, not China. lol

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 21, 2012
at 08:18 AM

Ah, well thats makes things alot easier then!

3
3c86170af93926dc8b7a03a98ad12bc9

on July 21, 2012
at 12:54 AM

Cancer cells feed on sugar. Is there any way you could skirt around the frosting? I can't believe I'm saying this but I would even do an artificial sweetener over sugar. :( I'm sorry you're feeling so poorly!

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:31 AM

Do they really? Don't all cells "feed" on sugar. What does that even mean? Is this a scientific fact? And if so why do you/you colleagues feed cancer patients so much sugar when they are in the hospital? She'd likely have a IV AND Jello if she were in a health care facility. Is there a source for this claim? I don't mean to sound confrontational here but I hope there is some science behind your statement. Thanks

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:59 AM

@Crow: yes, some types of cancer cells are exquisitely sensitive to glucose. They metabolize fuel differently from healthy cells. They mostly use fermentation rather than oxidative phosphorylation. (They have a mostly anaerobic, rather than aerobic metabolism.) Fermentation is not especially efficient (doesn't generate a lot of ATP), so cancer cells need WAY MORE glucose than healthy cells. They suck it up like mad. This is why cancerous tumors get bigger and bigger while the rest of the body wastes away.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:50 AM

And last time I was in the chemo suite they kept pushing soda and ginger ale :-/

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:00 AM

Google Otto Warburg or the Warburg Effect for more info. This has been known for a *long* time in the medical world. Why do they still pump cancer patients full of sugary crap? The same reason they give orange juice & pancakes to diabetics...

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:24 AM

Thanks Amy B. So stupid what is done for "health" in this country.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 22, 2012
at 06:09 PM

GROUP HUG!!! Ya'll are both awesome for this.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:50 AM

My oncologist (who is often wrong, despite being well educated and top in her field) told me that most everything is eventually metabolized to sugar, so it doesn't matter what you eat. She says people got the wrong idea from how PET scans work.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:28 AM

do they really? I mean is this a known scientific fact? And if so why do you/you colleagues feed cancer patients so much sugar when they are in the hospital? She'd likely have a IV AND Jello if she were in a health care facility. Is there a source for this claim? Thanks

3c86170af93926dc8b7a03a98ad12bc9

(110)

on July 21, 2012
at 04:45 PM

Crowlover...wow. Way to paint a group of people with a single brush. You do not know me, and you do not know that I would even consider feeding cancer patients junk sugar. In fact, I do not. I do not even work in an allopathic "health care" facility. Some of us actually believe in doing no harm. Thanks for stepping in when I was out, Amy.

3c86170af93926dc8b7a03a98ad12bc9

(110)

on July 22, 2012
at 02:59 PM

Crowlover, I would gladly accept your apology if you would accept mine for having such a knee-jerk reaction myself and for being so thin-skinned. :) If it makes you feel any better, five years ago you would have been justified in including me in that lot. My profession in general deserves every scathing comment you can muster, and it's only been by the grace of God that my eyes have been opened to what's right (rather than what they force-fed me in nursing school). Thank you for your very genteel response. Friends?

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 21, 2012
at 05:17 PM

I don't think Crowlover meant to insult you personally. We all stereotype and generalize sometimes. (You should see what's been said on PH about registered dieticians and MDs.) Don't take it personally.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 22, 2012
at 02:49 AM

I apologize EECP. I did not mean it personally at all rather the allopathic medical profession in general but I should not have assumed or generalized. Sorry about that. Its just so frustrating what "typical" health care recommends. I do apologize for being rude. I try to be nice on this sight actually! You wouldn't have guessed by this. lol Thanks Amy B. :)

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 24, 2012
at 03:16 AM

Sweet! Im laughing out loud here. Yes friends, for sure. Thanks. And I totally understand your response. Great that you have grown/ branched out in your profession too. That's great.

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4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

on July 21, 2012
at 12:44 AM

Eat the frosting!
Eat anything

Get well so you can get back on with your life and eating healthy.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 12:55 AM

Geez sorry. Didn't exactly give you help resisting, did I. Then again to me, frosting is butter cream sugar cocoa.... I hope you didn't mean a tub of Betty Crocker.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:51 AM

No, I know what you meant. Sometimes I feel like I would eat poison if it would make the nausea stop!

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363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:41 AM

I can't imagine dealing with chemo and its nausea, but I hate nausea and had a stomach problem that gave me constant nausea for a few months. I took Zofran and it seriously saved my life because I was just not eating. It is commonly used for chemo patients. I have also heard of people having great success with Emetrol. It is fructose, glucose and phosphoric acid - Walgreen's has a generic verison, and it is over the counter anti-emetic. It isn't perfect, has some food dyes, and I think a paraben in it, but you just need to take a tablespoon of it at a time.

I hope you find something that works! Sometimes Benadryl can help too - it blocks some of the receptors that cause nausea.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 03:54 AM

I will try the benadryl. In my pharmaceutical arsenal I currently have Zofran (although insurance limits me to 8 pills a month), compazine, emend, alprazolam, and Dexadron. So far none of those are working :-/

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on July 21, 2012
at 04:53 AM

My insurance company was horrible with the Zofran too until I was able to get my doctor to argue with them for a limit increase. I can't believe it didn't work for you. That sucks. Nausea is the worst. I hope you find something that works for you soon!

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8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

on July 21, 2012
at 01:06 AM

Sugar does seem to settle the stomach - recall "flat pop" as a nausea cure and its over-the-counter version, Emetrol (a blend of glucose and dextrose). I have had nausea (and lately, sinus headaches) go away with a little sugar.

I know sugar has other unpleasant side effects -- what about a little honey? Honey and ginger in hot water? I'm pregnant and familiar with the strangeness of the only thing that sounds good -- do you have the energy or resources to make some "healthy" frosting?

Here's a GAPS-friendly vanilla buttercream.

8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

(2830)

on July 21, 2012
at 12:56 PM

If the cheesecake made you feel good, that's awesome. You really just need to do what you can to get by for the forseeable future (my opinion).

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:47 AM

I don't think I can make anything right now, but my husband just came home with a slice of cheesecake. I feel bad eating it and then going right back to bed.

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Cfb06f83909be33e24fbd7b7e61ef3b4

on July 21, 2012
at 01:02 AM

I don't know if the sugar spike would be worse than the lack of eating...2 days is definitely longer than the recommended intermittent fast, even for someone who's body is not undergoing rigorous treatments wearing it down. I read this before when looking up sugar in relation to my daughter's diet:

Even though sugar doesn???t exactly ???feed??? cancer cells, it is a good idea to limit the amount of simple sugar you eat. This is because when you eat a lot of sugar, your body produces a lot of insulin.

Insulin is a natural substance made by the body. Insulin can tell cells to grow. In simple terms, insulin can ???rev up??? cell growth. For healthy cells, this is a good thing. This is because the cells in your body grow, divide, die, and are replaced as part of the natural process of living. However, cancer cells can be encouraged to grow more, too, when our bodies produce too much insulin. So while some insulin in the body is normal, excess insulin may encourage cancer cells to grow more, which is not a good thing

source: caring4cancer.com

any chance you could stomach maybe a sweet potato mashed with butter and cinnamon? still sweet and creamy, with less of a spike... I could be way off, but that is my first instinct, steer away from the sugar.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:58 PM

I was also just reading about how insulin spikes more in people who are lower carb, because there body insulin levels lower to allow free glucose to be used by the brain instead of muscle. Some low carbers report heart palpitations and symptoms like a diabetic shock from ingesting of very large amounts of sugar! because there body isnt used to it. If you are normally quite low carb, id at least be careful with ingesting too much sugar. If your medium carb, its probably less of an issue.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:55 AM

THank you, good info

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94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on July 22, 2012
at 04:48 PM

Hi chinaeskimo, So, I actually came to paleohacks today to specifically check in on you. I'm so sorry your meds aren't working. I don't take the ondansetron since it hurts my stomach but I use Promethazine about every 3 to 4 hours on the worst chemo days and I take extra strength pepcid. In my experience, sugar does help quell nausea - going back to the "flat soda" treatment for flu of my childhood & now with chemo. I've only been through 2 rounds of chemo now (Adriamycin/Cytoxan) so, not a "pro" but have my own reactions... :)

The chemo I'm on f*cks up the cell division of fast growing cells - hence the hair loss, stomach/intestine issues and mouth/tongue ulcers (ow). If a bit of sugar stimulates any remaining cancer cells to try to grow and split, well, fine because they're going to fail so f*ck cancer. I am not going to sweat having three ginger chews on a horrible nausea day right now, or a peach, or even a (gasp) yogurt fermented buckwheat/almond flour waffle (Nourishing-Traditions-style gluten-free thingie). After chemo is done, I know to not eat a high sugar diet. Hell, I'm not even really doing one right now but by strict standards, I'm having a few more off-paleo foods.

After the first round of my chemo, I was into some piña colada flavored smoothies on the bad days. I threw pineapple, coconut milk, a bit of yogurt (my guts need it), hemp protein powder, a little vanilla, and a banana in the blender and just had little bits at a time. A bit sugary compared to my usual diet? yes. sustaining? also yes. But I need to have some calories because I have some "I can't eat" days as well. I have been losing weight on chemo, luckily I was at a high normal weight when I started so I'm not going under. Sweet potatoes have been helpful too. Slightly sweet marinated meats (pork cooked in apples, e.g.) on a couple of days have been tolerable as well. Right now, I have chicken in a slow-cooker with garlic as well as dates and raisins, vinegar, oregano. I usually LOVE bitter foods (greens, etc) but my tastebuds and gag-reflex just can't take that right now. I get all the veggies into me that I can but I'm NOT going to beat myself up over it right now if I can't stomach chard every day. I can deal with some cabbage cooked with these meats so that feels pretty good.

My second round of chemo I fasted the day before and the day of. I napped after chemo, I napped the next day too. I think maybe the calorie deficit made me a bit sleepier that following day than I might have been but, overall, I don't mind sleeping through it rather than experiencing it, iykwim. I did start trying to eat a little (smoothie) the day after chemo but it wasn't much. I'm not sure what I'll do this round. Fasting the day of chemo is a certainty for me but fasting the entire day before (totals about 36 hours fast pre-chemo and about 24 post) might be too fatiguing. Any food I ate that first day/first time is ruined for me now (the thought of anything I ate makes me hurl a little) so I don't see the point of eating on the day of chemo. Also, I have celiac disease and my guts seem to be a bit susceptible to side effects so I had less gut pain fasting and I bounced back a little faster in the days afterwards so I will fast for some period this time (Tues.) too. So, while this bit about fasting isn't directly addressing your current issue, I went for a few days with little to no food and I'm not concerned about it nor is my MO. Of course, if you are at normal or underweight I would expect that to be trickier for you.

I manage to keep sipping on ice water All.The.Time. I wish I had one of those automatic ice makers on my fridge. I purchased some Reed's Ginger Ale to try those first few bad days this next round and another bag of Ginger Chews. I don't intent to live on those but I'm hoping they aid the nasty feelings. Please keep me posted here on how you're doing and if you come up with any miracle foods or anything... Best wishes to you.

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on July 22, 2012
at 12:08 AM

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