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Paleo Response to Vegan Bodybuilders?

Commented on March 24, 2015
Created January 07, 2012 at 9:01 PM

The NYT had an article about vegan bodybuilders this week: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/sports/vegans-muscle-their-way-into-bodybuilding.html

These guys aren't huge, but are still in great shape.

How does the paleo viewpoint explain the existence of these strong vegans?

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on May 07, 2014
at 03:21 PM

Genetics is the same complanin of vegans about paleo ("you are not hunter gahterers"!) so i cant find a real explaination for this actually..

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on January 22, 2013
at 03:36 AM

And that's because it's not fit for human consumption anyway, unless extensively and carefully lacto-fermented, which isn't done anymore.

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on January 21, 2013
at 11:47 PM

The overwelming majority of soy is used in animal feed, not directly for human consumption.

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on January 21, 2013
at 11:44 PM

And "this or that" vegan isn't the record holder in the sport.

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on January 21, 2013
at 11:37 PM

People are too removed from actually killing animals with their own hands, and eating then eating them. This removal has made folks squeamish and feel guilty about killing animals. The entirety of nature kills and eats each other. I killed my own chickens in Costa Rica and Deer back in NC. Makes you simultaneously appreciate the life that you are taking to survive, and become less squeamish about doing so.

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on January 21, 2013
at 11:31 PM

It's said right there in the article this guy trains 2-4hrs daily. You bet your a** they have to work harder for less return.

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:15 PM

I started eating Paleo with fish too. But fish was my gateway drug to BBQed Grass-fed burgers! :-p

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on August 01, 2012
at 01:47 AM

I think veganism gave me low energy. I am having trouble getting into meat, having seen similar films, so may just eat a lot of fish.

37c83b0e565455eccdab474a7572552a

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on August 01, 2012
at 01:46 AM

I think veganism gave make me low energy. Having trouble getting into meat, though, so I may just eat a lot of fish.

37c83b0e565455eccdab474a7572552a

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on August 01, 2012
at 01:44 AM

Very interesting, thank you for writing.

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on July 31, 2012
at 08:30 PM

If this link will work....they may be "Indirect Vegatarians" http://www.cafepress.com/mf/65586293/indirect-vegetarian_tank-top

Da51943abcc3acd29440fe001c29a6a4

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on July 31, 2012
at 05:28 PM

What is the point of veganism? Is it animals are more important to the environment than plants? For me equal respect for all my food sources is important, whether it be from an animal or plant.

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on July 31, 2012
at 04:59 PM

No, they are because concentrated vegan power is created by mass killing of rodents and insects and ecology to grow soya for vegan powder.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 01, 2012
at 07:53 PM

Actually it's hard to tell that I was addressing both of the common motivations. But you can be assured that I meant to say that there are some who just have the individual value judgement that they don't like it, and that's distinct.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 01, 2012
at 07:51 PM

There are other motivations too. In any of the cases, if it can be demonstrated that eating a certain amount of meat is good for them and the planet then they should all buck up, conquer their irrational feelings, learn what ethics is all about, etc, and eat some steak. I didn't used to like exercise but I got over that arbitrary emotional barrier and I'm better off for it. Could it be said that somehow it was just as all right for me to not like exercise and live less healthy lives because I had a particular emotion?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 01, 2012
at 07:50 PM

There are other motivations too. In any of the cases, if it can be demonstrated that eating a certain amount of meat is good for them and the planet then they should all buck up, conquer their irrational feelings, learn what ethics is all about, etc, and eat some steak. I didn't used to like exercise but I got over that arbitrary emotional barrier and I'm better off for it. Could it be said that somehow it was just as all right for me to not like exercise and live less healthy lives because I have a particular emotion?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 01, 2012
at 07:47 PM

Well I suppose one could simply be afflicted with sadness at killing an animal, and that's not the same as feeling smug because one is pretending that they're better than other people who do. But that's not really an ideology, more of a pathology. Notice how I addressed the "pretend that animals have the moral status of people and then feel superior to everyone who eats animals" and "simply upset by it for no good reason" vegans separately. So I think I can be said to understand them.

C3f9730405f7885f9ccaad364404c433

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on July 01, 2012
at 07:40 PM

"an ideology that gets you nothing other than more opportunities to feel smug or your body?" Woah, that's way off target. I think for many it's about not wanting to kill animals. I must admit I feel it, but I am quite confused about it, after all, it seems my compassion is only there because of my big brain, due to my ancestors eating a lot of animal fat, and due to the luxury of not having to eat and compete in nature for every meal.

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on January 08, 2012
at 12:06 PM

You entirely miss the point of veganism.

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on January 08, 2012
at 10:56 AM

Jack LaLanne wasn't a vegan.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

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on January 08, 2012
at 09:04 AM

I heard bacon is a vegetable.

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on January 08, 2012
at 07:25 AM

Ah, true--but these days one can find and read the articles themselves online without having to waste ones life sorting through the statist claptrap that is 98% of Pravda West.

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on January 08, 2012
at 06:42 AM

NYTimes is where I stumbled across Gary Taubes "What if its all been a big fat lie" and began to learn about nutrition. Headed me down the road to paleo! So they get a gem now and again.

Eedf46c82d0356d1d46dda5f9782ef36

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on January 08, 2012
at 12:22 AM

Yep. I'm solidly in the "who cares?" category. Good for them.

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on January 08, 2012
at 12:06 AM

and what level of fitness were they at before they went vegan?

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

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on January 07, 2012
at 10:35 PM

More meat for us?

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on January 07, 2012
at 09:06 PM

i saw that article and it got me thinking too. what i'm more curious about though is whether i think one method is actually better than the other...

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on January 08, 2012
at 02:28 AM

These guys aren't eating like the yoga-going-whole-foods vegan. They eat lots of concentrated vegan protein powders and stuff like that. I alway think if you're going through that much trouble, then just have a steak because cows are really just concentrated vegan protein. Let them do the work of turning the plants into food.

Bccd4b774c3118f06343e942f9c8a27d

on March 24, 2015
at 07:07 AM

Because they're FUCKING LIARS!!! They eat animal proteins and don't admit it.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 08, 2012
at 12:06 PM

You entirely miss the point of veganism.

Da51943abcc3acd29440fe001c29a6a4

(50)

on July 31, 2012
at 05:28 PM

What is the point of veganism? Is it animals are more important to the environment than plants? For me equal respect for all my food sources is important, whether it be from an animal or plant.

F6c1df7d5699661bd1f0d6d0a6c17fc6

on July 31, 2012
at 04:59 PM

No, they are because concentrated vegan power is created by mass killing of rodents and insects and ecology to grow soya for vegan powder.

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on January 07, 2012
at 09:10 PM

My reaction is pretty much the same as my reaction to religion. If it works for them, fine. Just don't try to foist it on me (through a fat tax or meatless Mondays, etc).

Bccd4b774c3118f06343e942f9c8a27d

on March 24, 2015
at 07:08 AM

Absolutely!!! People don't realise that it's all a big new world order propaganda campaign to prepare us for a meatless eco-nutter, religio-communist austerity, Hunger games, feudal existence under our overlords that will live like Kings, eating meat in the lap of luxury.

Eedf46c82d0356d1d46dda5f9782ef36

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on January 08, 2012
at 12:22 AM

Yep. I'm solidly in the "who cares?" category. Good for them.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 07, 2012
at 09:16 PM

I've read more than one bodybuilder call BS on vegan bodybuilders. Some of them try to pass off something like 90/10 veganism as veganism (i.e. gorging with some regularity on animal protein).

Props to them for at least thinking about their health as opposed to solely their physiques, but it's wrong-headed.

Bccd4b774c3118f06343e942f9c8a27d

on March 24, 2015
at 07:09 AM

Yep, they pretty much lie.
Also it's not all pure, health-related motivation.
People don't realise that it's all a big new world order propaganda campaign to prepare us for a meatless eco-nutter, religio-communist austerity, Hunger games, feudal existence under our overlords that will live like Kings, eating meat in the lap of luxury.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

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on January 08, 2012
at 09:04 AM

I heard bacon is a vegetable.

C0237fd9e277fcef496d538beda1f35b

(287)

on July 31, 2012
at 08:30 PM

If this link will work....they may be "Indirect Vegatarians" http://www.cafepress.com/mf/65586293/indirect-vegetarian_tank-top

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25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on January 07, 2012
at 09:07 PM

Why are you sullying your mind reading the NY Times?

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on January 08, 2012
at 07:25 AM

Ah, true--but these days one can find and read the articles themselves online without having to waste ones life sorting through the statist claptrap that is 98% of Pravda West.

0d2dec01a5ed9363a9915e111ae13f7e

(4583)

on January 08, 2012
at 06:42 AM

NYTimes is where I stumbled across Gary Taubes "What if its all been a big fat lie" and began to learn about nutrition. Headed me down the road to paleo! So they get a gem now and again.

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0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on January 07, 2012
at 09:39 PM

I'd really like to see their lab work regarding markers of inflammation, CRP especially. I somehow doubt they are nurturing their body on a cellular level, despite aesthetics.

And this is just a theoretical stab in the dark, but I'd bet they have to work a bit harder for those results, leaving them with higher cortisol levels.

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on January 21, 2013
at 11:31 PM

It's said right there in the article this guy trains 2-4hrs daily. You bet your a** they have to work harder for less return.

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on January 07, 2012
at 10:11 PM

Ask them if they know whether their physique is attributed to their diet, or was achieved IN SPITE OF their diet. They probably had to work twice as hard as the average meat-eating BB in order to achieve their results.

661fd72c601aa67be69e90c8ecb88b9f

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on January 08, 2012
at 12:06 AM

and what level of fitness were they at before they went vegan?

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 07, 2012
at 09:22 PM

Well, I can enjoy viewing a neighborhood but it doesn't mean I want to buy a house there.

Before forming an opinion, I'd want to talk to physicians who are treating significant numbers of people who have followed such a regime long term. By long term, I mean 15 years or more, meaning most vegans and vegetarians don't qualify. I apply a strict standard because, unlike ancestral eating, there's no built-in environmental/reproductive testing for the plant-only lifestyles. What will their middle age look like? How healthy/robust are their children?

You'll note I'm not rejecting their assertions, although I do refute their assumption that their lifestyle is kinder to the environment/wildlife. Based on my own standard, they could still prove me wrong. After all, I must remember Jack LaLane. :-))

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on January 08, 2012
at 10:56 AM

Jack LaLanne wasn't a vegan.

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on January 07, 2012
at 11:39 PM

My guess with how they manage is that they are squandering the genetic health their forebears handed down to them.

Dr. Catherine Shanahan talks about this in her book, Deep Nutrition. Now, I ain't a scientist so I'm not sure how watertight her theory is, but essentially, by eating non-optimally, we're all wasting that inheritance. The first generation to do so isn't necessarily as affected, but each subsequent generation will degrade further and further. This makes sense to me anecdotally, since we're seeing obesity ever younger these days. When I was in second grade, there were exactly two fat kids and now? * Shudder *

Thank goodness for epigenetics! I hope I'm switching on some good stuff now.

I'd love to see how long they can keep it up.

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on January 07, 2012
at 11:16 PM

Classic difference between causation and correlation. Neither Paleo nor Vegan cause someone to look like a body builder. Im guessing here - but it's my belief that maybe 1% (but probably MUCH less) of bodybuilders are Vegan, and probably 10-20% are 'Paleo', the rest fall some where in the middle with most of them 50%+ consuming Oatmeal for breakfast, etc. Oatmeal, despite the fact that most likely more than 50% of them consume it, does not cause one to look like a bodybuilder either.

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on July 31, 2012
at 03:32 PM

Well let me tell you. I did the vegan body buildling thing for around 8 months a couple years ago. On the outside, I was the heaviest and strongest I had ever been at 187lbs. I lifted really heavy and felt powerful and manly. I also consumed tons of vegan protein powder to help me grow and recover after workouts. I thought everything was going great...until I had a complete physical:

HDL Cholesterol was below 15. Yep. It was so low, they couldn't even tell me the actual number - the results came back saying "below 15". My triglycerides were around 250. My LDL was close to 100. My body fat was a dismal 18% even though I worked out like a machine. During this time, I was scarfing tons of granola, toast, nuts, and crackers thinking I needed all those carbs to grow. Yet, all I was really growing was fat over my muscles. Robert Cheeke was my vegan body building hero. I read his book and felt inspired by his success.I was duped by the bullshit science he provided.

Then I went low-carb Paleo. Very quickly I leaned out to 163lbs. My HDL returned to just under 40 (which is my normal range). My triglycerides are back to around 95-105 and my LDL is still around 100. I lift even heavier now than when I was a 187lbs vegan. My weight has slowly increased to 172lbs over the past few months as I've increased my carbs again but I'm still very lean at around 12% body fat. My CRP was 0.16 last month too which is great. I don't know what it was when I was vegan but I bet it was higher.

In my experience, yes, you can grow big and strong as a vegan bodybuilder. But it's not sustainable and will probably shorten your life. I want a strong muscular body with healthy bio-markers - Paleo is the only diet that can provide that for me.

Part of the reason I went vegan was because I love animals so much. I've watched countless hours of slaughter-house videos and documentaries on animal abuse on factory farms. It turned me off meat completely. But when I realized it was my life or theirs, I found a happy balance by eating grass-fed, organic beef and free-range poultry. Not only does it taste better while providing more nutrients, but I can rest easier knowing those animals had a good, easy life before their slaughter.

37c83b0e565455eccdab474a7572552a

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on August 01, 2012
at 01:44 AM

Very interesting, thank you for writing.

37c83b0e565455eccdab474a7572552a

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on August 01, 2012
at 01:46 AM

I think veganism gave make me low energy. Having trouble getting into meat, though, so I may just eat a lot of fish.

37c83b0e565455eccdab474a7572552a

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on August 01, 2012
at 01:47 AM

I think veganism gave me low energy. I am having trouble getting into meat, having seen similar films, so may just eat a lot of fish.

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:15 PM

I started eating Paleo with fish too. But fish was my gateway drug to BBQed Grass-fed burgers! :-p

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on January 07, 2012
at 11:27 PM

I have a relative who has been vegan for decades and when I was having trouble with veganism I was always so mad that he could succeed eating every single freaking kind of vegan junk food and I couldn't.

But then again, Michael Phelps pwns in the Olympics eating mostly junk food.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on January 07, 2012
at 11:21 PM

You can be pretty strong as a vegan, or at least some people can. But it's just not optimal, anybody who goes vegan in order to become strong and build muscle is misinformed, because our muscles don't produce optimal amounts of various nutrients found in red meat that have an effect on muscle function. Creatine, carnosine and its precursor beta-alanine, carnitine, and various other nutrients are a boon to performance, no question about it. Now if you were to take a fist-full of supplements maybe it would be as good, but then again maybe it wouldn't, it's hard to rationalize taking supplements in order to remedy a disadvantage created by eliminating a food that one thinks is detrimental.

As for the -other- vegans, good luck to them, but they would still probably do better with eating some meat, what's more important, an ideology that gets you nothing other than more opportunities to feel smug or your body? Ultimately individual value judgements, but just how subjective are these values to begin with?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 01, 2012
at 07:50 PM

There are other motivations too. In any of the cases, if it can be demonstrated that eating a certain amount of meat is good for them and the planet then they should all buck up, conquer their irrational feelings, learn what ethics is all about, etc, and eat some steak. I didn't used to like exercise but I got over that arbitrary emotional barrier and I'm better off for it. Could it be said that somehow it was just as all right for me to not like exercise and live less healthy lives because I have a particular emotion?

C3f9730405f7885f9ccaad364404c433

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on July 01, 2012
at 07:40 PM

"an ideology that gets you nothing other than more opportunities to feel smug or your body?" Woah, that's way off target. I think for many it's about not wanting to kill animals. I must admit I feel it, but I am quite confused about it, after all, it seems my compassion is only there because of my big brain, due to my ancestors eating a lot of animal fat, and due to the luxury of not having to eat and compete in nature for every meal.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 01, 2012
at 07:47 PM

Well I suppose one could simply be afflicted with sadness at killing an animal, and that's not the same as feeling smug because one is pretending that they're better than other people who do. But that's not really an ideology, more of a pathology. Notice how I addressed the "pretend that animals have the moral status of people and then feel superior to everyone who eats animals" and "simply upset by it for no good reason" vegans separately. So I think I can be said to understand them.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 01, 2012
at 07:53 PM

Actually it's hard to tell that I was addressing both of the common motivations. But you can be assured that I meant to say that there are some who just have the individual value judgement that they don't like it, and that's distinct.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 01, 2012
at 07:51 PM

There are other motivations too. In any of the cases, if it can be demonstrated that eating a certain amount of meat is good for them and the planet then they should all buck up, conquer their irrational feelings, learn what ethics is all about, etc, and eat some steak. I didn't used to like exercise but I got over that arbitrary emotional barrier and I'm better off for it. Could it be said that somehow it was just as all right for me to not like exercise and live less healthy lives because I had a particular emotion?

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on January 21, 2013
at 11:37 PM

People are too removed from actually killing animals with their own hands, and eating then eating them. This removal has made folks squeamish and feel guilty about killing animals. The entirety of nature kills and eats each other. I killed my own chickens in Costa Rica and Deer back in NC. Makes you simultaneously appreciate the life that you are taking to survive, and become less squeamish about doing so.

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on January 07, 2012
at 11:25 PM

Strong vegans - maybe from steroids, lots of supplements, vegan protein powders, genetics.

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on March 24, 2015
at 07:11 AM

^^
This.

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on January 07, 2012
at 09:58 PM

No response. I wish them well.

Bccd4b774c3118f06343e942f9c8a27d

on March 24, 2015
at 07:13 AM

Yes but they don't wish you the same, like religious nutbags they want to force their diet on you.
Well, not all of them but the people behind that massive vegan campaign do, the centrla banking oligarchy that own the western governments and the UN.

People don't realise that it's all a big new world order propaganda campaign to prepare us for a meatless eco-nutter, religio-communist austerity, Hunger games, feudal existence under our overlords that will live like Kings, eating meat in the lap of luxury.

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on January 21, 2013
at 11:28 PM

My ancestors conquered this planet so I wouldn't HAVE TO forage for veggies to get my protein and survive!

Any size they have is due to large consumption of highly bio-unavailable commercially, unnaturally, and ecologically devastatingly produced plant protein powders. Nobody gets muscular eating veggies only. It's cheating.

And for what point again? Anyone ever seen the pictures of the rainforest clear cutting in Brazil to grow soy? Endless sea of soy to the horizon, not a tree in sight. This is animal friendly behavior? I think their amino acid shortchanged brains are delusional.

Genetic mutants aside, no vegan is the top dog record-setter of their strength-sport-dicipline (compared to meat eaters).

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on January 22, 2013
at 03:36 AM

And that's because it's not fit for human consumption anyway, unless extensively and carefully lacto-fermented, which isn't done anymore.

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on January 21, 2013
at 11:47 PM

The overwelming majority of soy is used in animal feed, not directly for human consumption.

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on January 21, 2013
at 03:20 PM

Sorry but I'll have to necro this one. These are what I have learned:

Vegan bodybuilders, with the right genetics or supplementation, will not have a lot of trouble bulking up. If they can absorb all the nutrients in plant food with very high efficiency then yes, they can do that.

Now on the other hand, many people cannot. Some even have to take digestive enzymes (that's why I said 'or supplementation') or will burp and fart all day long and have trouble absorbing nutrients.

Now, to be a top level bodybuilder for a vegan is hard. The problem is in the shredding phase. Again, right genetics play a role. His digestive system must be able to absorb protein from carby food efficiently. His metabolism also has to be high enough so that when he's gaining protein through carb-heavy food, he is not gaining fat. However I think if a vegan bodybuilder just wants to show some pictures to the general public (instead of bodybuilding judges) then shredding is not that important. Nor is shredding that important to health, I guess.

Well, in the end it still comes down to genetics.

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on May 07, 2014
at 03:21 PM

Genetics is the same complanin of vegans about paleo ("you are not hunter gahterers"!) so i cant find a real explaination for this actually..

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on July 31, 2012
at 04:14 PM

There are going to be genetic freaks out there no matter what the diet. Doesn't mean that those are the results that the majority of people will get. He probably isn't very healthy, and I doubt he'll continue on his vegan route for that much longer simply because he won't be able to sustain good health.

It's like when vegetarians tell me, "oh yeah, well this athlete is vegan, and so is that one!", and my response is always, "yeah, and the other million athletes out there all eat meat, so what are you getting at?".

It is what it is, and I wouldn't put too much more thought into it.

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on January 21, 2013
at 11:44 PM

And "this or that" vegan isn't the record holder in the sport.

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on January 08, 2012
at 04:53 AM

I am going to put my two cents in :)

First of all, if you watch his video, one thing is really noticeable: look at his face. I mean, I hope he is not reading this but this is not what a healthy person looks like. And I am not talking about redness and acne - he does not look healthy overall, even his eyes.

Also, have you noticed the color of his skin? Even if he would tan nicely, his skin would still look unhealthy.

One more thing: please watch what he was cooking. Have you noticed those large plastic jars with what my guess is some kind of protein powder? Do you really think some protein powder is healthier than wild salmon? No, please think about it. Who makes all this protein powder, anyway?

Lucky genetics? No way. This guys is slowly killing himself. Even though he gets plenty of vitamins and minerals from all the veggies, he is depriving himself of essential amino acids that CANNOT BE FOUND in vegetables. I would like to see some longitudinal study that actually PROVES that in the long run he will sustain his health.

If you care about animals so much - fine, eat fish instead or eggs, they are not even fertilized, but no animal protein whatsoever... ? Think of a vegetarian dog. Or a vegetarian chimp. There is no such thing, period. You can train a dog not to eat meat, but will it survive?

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on January 08, 2012
at 11:37 AM

It's probably very good if it suits you. It seems that some people do great on veganism, whereas other people kill themselves. You have to do what works for you, as difficult as that may be, and constantly re-assess your values.

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on January 08, 2012
at 11:08 AM

Bodybuilding and healthy eating don't always go hand in hand. You won't necessarily become healthy by training like a bodybuilder and you wont become a bodybuilder simply by eating healthy. Bodybuilding is mostly about training and eating plenty. It does not need to be healthy eating.

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on January 08, 2012
at 03:22 AM

Lucky genetics. That's all.

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