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Muscle Catabolism

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 15, 2011 at 12:39 AM

Does anyone know about this topic? Being an avid weight trainer I attempt to maintain a certain body composition for functional and aesthetic purposes. I am wondering whatthe optimal macronutrient ratio is to prevent muscle catabolism(the old bodybuilding scourge). Vince Gironda claims that no more than 30 grams of protein can be assimilated at a time and protein requires 3 hours to be sythesized. This prescribes a limit that seems dubious given the freaks of today's bodybuilding scene. Nonetheless I am at a loss to discover the appropriate ratio of FFAs and dietary Protein. As to carbs I have all but eliminated them(50-80 grams per day in the form of vegetables)and don't plan to include them. I don't believe this 'macronutrient' is necessary for health or the prevention of muscle catabolism either. That being said I would like to know just whatthe best macronutrient ratio is: FFA:Protein? Also, if anyone knows what substances cause muscle catabolism(calcium? caffeine; etc...?) and what prevent it(insulin?...etc.) and the influence of hormones on muscle catabolism I would appreciate carrying on a discussion re: this topic for all the physical culturalists out there.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on April 15, 2011
at 08:26 PM

You are killing me Jack! He's like your personal nemesis. I have to check all of his threads just to see what you have to say about it. LOL. (I absolutely agree with you on all points, FWIW)

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on April 15, 2011
at 07:43 AM

a robot with instinct, surely not

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on April 15, 2011
at 07:42 AM

Function over form always - do the ladies like the comfort of men with larger breasts (sorry, pectorals) than they possess.....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 15, 2011
at 03:55 AM

I have been following this ratio almost exactly-- by instinct. It is interesting when one is in tune with their body/self just how precise he can be in understanding what is needed. I suppose I am a "robot" as some have said...after all...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 15, 2011
at 03:53 AM

Thanks for the link. You may have saved me some time/$/effort. I'll be implementing the protocol: 3 meals per day(thankfully as eating sure is a nuisance).

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on April 15, 2011
at 03:02 AM

I am starting to think he is a bot.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:11 AM

Thats what I'm looking for: an information source.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:10 AM

But I'm mainly concerned with srength training and as we call know: strength is proportional to muscle cross sectional area(hence the concern with mass. But aesthtically the ladies like the comfort of the big teddy bear. Having an ox's neck is am image that says: Me strong, stay away evil doer!).

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:55 AM

You are such a trip PersonMan. I want to like you. Your questions are so odd and riddled with a bunch of strange concerns. You never vote, ever. And you're rarely happy with anyone's answers. If you're intelligent enough to string together the information in your question above, then you should be intelligent enough to understand some of the comments I've made about "how you roll" here on PaleoHacks, yet you ignore me completely. I just don't get it.

No bother though. I'm bored with it. You win dude. I don't know what you win, but there you have it.

muscle-catabolism

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on April 15, 2011
at 03:02 AM

I am starting to think he is a bot.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on April 15, 2011
at 08:26 PM

You are killing me Jack! He's like your personal nemesis. I have to check all of his threads just to see what you have to say about it. LOL. (I absolutely agree with you on all points, FWIW)

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Bcad307b240275ae3f5820ba6eb4a712

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:36 AM

Martin Berkhan explains the 30 grams myth, here. And you'll likely find the other answers you're looking for on his site, as well.

http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 15, 2011
at 03:53 AM

Thanks for the link. You may have saved me some time/$/effort. I'll be implementing the protocol: 3 meals per day(thankfully as eating sure is a nuisance).

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9f9fa49265e03ddd2bf2bba5477a556b

(3184)

on April 15, 2011
at 01:19 AM

Do these guys look like they gave a damn about protein assimilation rates?

http://ironmonastery.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/bathurst_island_men.jpg

Or this dude?

http://www.action-fitness.com/img/newsletter/hunter-gatherer.jpg

Vince had good pecs. Those dudes could put a spear through him from 50 yards away and then carry his dead body 10 miles. I'll take the spear throwing, functional body.

Anyway, chicks dig that hunter gatherer physique better. Especially when you got the badass scars. Yeah baby, that's where I got gored by a bear...before I cut his heart out. That improves your fitness way more than having oversized pecs.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 15, 2011
at 07:42 AM

Function over form always - do the ladies like the comfort of men with larger breasts (sorry, pectorals) than they possess.....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 15, 2011
at 02:10 AM

But I'm mainly concerned with srength training and as we call know: strength is proportional to muscle cross sectional area(hence the concern with mass. But aesthtically the ladies like the comfort of the big teddy bear. Having an ox's neck is am image that says: Me strong, stay away evil doer!).

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7767e05a8c4504f6be03f13ee40815cd

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:53 AM

I found this article interesting.

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=2712

In short, they recommend around .875g/protein/lb bodyweight, ~20% calories from carbs, and the rest from fat. This jibes pretty well with my personal experience as well as my other health-related reading.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 15, 2011
at 07:43 AM

a robot with instinct, surely not

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 15, 2011
at 03:55 AM

I have been following this ratio almost exactly-- by instinct. It is interesting when one is in tune with their body/self just how precise he can be in understanding what is needed. I suppose I am a "robot" as some have said...after all...

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:03 AM

catabolism?

Cortisol, stress, lack of sleep, over training. Nutrition can help avoid but only so much.

Then you have to look at if the Caffeine is effecting your sleep, your job is effecting your stress levels and all kind of things.

I recommend the book Natural Hormonal Enhancement, good book at touches on the catabolism.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 15, 2011
at 02:11 AM

Thats what I'm looking for: an information source.

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