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Did our Paleo ancestors have GORILLA strength?

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Created March 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Some bodybuilders these days look like absolute beasts. But we all know that many of them are using performance enhancing growth hormones to achieve that look, something that our ancestors surely never had. Further to that, looking like 'the hulk' doesn't not necessarily equate to being as strong. We all know some folks who are somehow just naturally very strong for their size, even if they don't necessarily appear to be, right?

If gorillas and orangutans are four to eight times stronger than similar sized humans, do you think humans from long ago naturally possessed higher strength due to muscular and bone skeletal structure? If so, do you think a gradual change in diet and/or lifestyle played a contributional role in the progressive decline of inherent human strength endowment?

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on March 18, 2011
at 08:01 PM

I really hate 'bromance' the most.

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on March 15, 2011
at 01:41 AM

-1 from me, no need to explain

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on March 15, 2011
at 12:07 AM

What program was it?

95601768ec9cb75cc3a9cbcd2271ed14

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:34 PM

This book sounds really interesting so thanks for the rec., but boy I dislike the title. I think I'm allergic to most cutesy clever compound words in general and have a particular dislike for all the "man" ones of late--manswer, mancession, manscape, and so on.

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:23 PM

The north-south mount position involves a high potential for face-to-crotch interaction. This might, possibly, be construed as more homoerotic than sitting on a swiss ball. But neither of these is crap, compared to stupidly linking exercises to sexual preferences.

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:20 PM

also called pikes, hanging leg raises...theyre not that hard. and most people swing the fuck out of them anyway. dragon flags, hanging windshield wipers, the flag, and the almighty evil wheel are where real core strength is tested.

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on March 14, 2011
at 10:06 PM

That was a brilliant clip. The whole series has been brilliant showing the ingenuity the human species has in surviving in every type of environment. And they all feature the amazing lengths humans will go to to hunt meat. The first episode featuring the man literally walking along the bottom of the ocean to hunt fish (not catch but hunt) was incredible.

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on March 14, 2011
at 09:22 PM

The strongest cores are built doing v-ups. You grab a pullup bar and lift your legs until your feet are at eye level or higher. Extremely difficult, takes months practice to do.

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on March 14, 2011
at 08:31 PM

I'd especially like to know what "faggy ball crap" is. Is that some sort of sex thing? Is it kind of like that "faggy" rolling around on the ground with other sweaty dudes and getting them to submit to you? Well, I guess being a homophobe is Paleo now too...Christo=NOT winning.

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on March 14, 2011
at 07:48 PM

Dang that's nuts. Thanks for the additional background on that Matthew. I will say this, it didn't look like that was the first time those dudes have done that. Didn't it kinda seem like it was just another day at the office for them. Bitchin.

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on March 14, 2011
at 06:21 PM

I watched that programme on tv with the background showing how they filmed that section. The lions were real and the small camera crew were a long way off in a landrover with long lenses. The film makers were serious worried the three guys were going to be eaten.

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on March 14, 2011
at 06:05 PM

exactly. higher intellect = win. that's a crazy video by the way. in the comments someone writes that maybe they are circus lions, and richard seems a bit put off by that comment. i do not believe they are, but i did have a skeptical moment, like maybe behind the camera (behind the 3 men), there could have been some other element to inject fear into the lions. maybe a big machine or gang of people or something, but the camera just never shows it? Probably not, but interesting video anyway.

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on March 14, 2011
at 05:17 PM

Right on. But we're weaker than the lions in Richard Nikoley's video: http://freetheanimal.com/2011/03/the-elephant-in-the-evolutionary-room.html and we're still the apex predator. What a great video that is. ... Chimps are generally afraid of humans in areas where humans hunt chimps for meat. (See Goodall.) We're the thing that has weapons.

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on March 14, 2011
at 05:05 PM

wouldn't it be cool to HACK that kinda strength? Humans can achieve some pretty remarkable feats of strength, but in general, we are way out of our element when pit against other animals. Think about the strength of a bear, or a tiger. How about sea creatures? Or maybe an anaconda. We have dominion because of our brains, but we are pretty low on the totum pole of natural strength. If you weigh in at 240 lbs and a 150 pound chimp can jack you up, it makes you wonder.

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on March 14, 2011
at 04:57 PM

I know that chimps are insanely strong as well. There is a story in Roger Fouts's book Next of Kin (Fouts is the guy who did the sign language with Washoe): Fouts was out walking a young chimp half his size, attached to him by a leash. At some point the chimp climbed up a tree, and then effortlessly *pulled* Fouts off the ground by the leash. Maybe somebody can check that, but I think I have it mostly right. If you see a 150-pound adult male chimp (it's always baby chimps in the movies) in a zoo, you can just *feel* their strength by watching them move. They could easily kill a human being.

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at 04:36 PM

what exactly is "ball crap"?

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76fd821658bfeefcdd91a25eb67ec683

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on March 14, 2011
at 08:10 PM

There's a book out now called 'Manthropology' written by a paleontologist about exactly this stuff. I think we've lost the genes that made us super strong. When we became smart we didn't need to be as strong. Its not diet and lifestyle mostly. Lazy chimps in the zoo, who do nothing and eat grain-based chimp chow are still much stronger than humans.

http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?qwork=16233179&matches=16&keyword=Manthropology&cm_sp=works*listing*title

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on March 14, 2011
at 11:34 PM

This book sounds really interesting so thanks for the rec., but boy I dislike the title. I think I'm allergic to most cutesy clever compound words in general and have a particular dislike for all the "man" ones of late--manswer, mancession, manscape, and so on.

76fd821658bfeefcdd91a25eb67ec683

(65)

on March 18, 2011
at 08:01 PM

I really hate 'bromance' the most.

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on March 14, 2011
at 09:46 PM

Sorry guys, but while our ancestors were surely fit, they were almost certainly not muscle-bound hulks. While some hunter-gatherer groups are still quite muscular, many have a lean, wiry frame. Take a look at these guys, for instance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpo_mA5RP8

Testosterone levels in modern primitives are also lower than in industrial societies: http://www.springerlink.com/content/f1818h7x31112jt0/

If you've read lindebergh's book, he speculates that this is due to over stimulation of the IGF-1 signaling pathway.

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on March 14, 2011
at 06:07 PM

The additional myostatin inhibition in humans is likely what gave us the fine muscle control required for detailed facial expressions, tool use, and the ability to talk. This is shared by all humans (even the "double muscled" humans, though they are super-muscled from the point of view of us normals).

So no, eating paleo is not magic and will not get you there. Gamma rays would be more plausible.

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on March 14, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Humans never shared ancestors with anything Gorilla-like. Lucy was small and chimpish and then humans got more badass along the way. Homo erectus was very strong and so were the original homo sapiens up until agriculture. So they had human strength, different from Gorilla strength, and yes they were very strong, although probably not Gorilla strong.

They probably didn't look like Scott Steiner, though. Bodybuilders build their bodies for show and employ special lifts to get a nicely sculpted body. Grok's muscles wouldn't look like a bodybuilder's but would be thick and tight but not builky and cumbersome.

i'm thinking about Art Devany pulling his truck like he's pulling a bison carcass. That's the kind of exercise you get from being a hunter-gatherer.

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on March 14, 2011
at 04:10 PM

maybe,I trained Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for 5 years and the strongest guy I ever came across weighed 185 and didn't lift weights(though he had in the past). A big factor is grip and core/hip strength,and by core strength I mean practical application not that faggy ball crap.

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on March 14, 2011
at 04:36 PM

what exactly is "ball crap"?

9f9fa49265e03ddd2bf2bba5477a556b

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on March 14, 2011
at 08:31 PM

I'd especially like to know what "faggy ball crap" is. Is that some sort of sex thing? Is it kind of like that "faggy" rolling around on the ground with other sweaty dudes and getting them to submit to you? Well, I guess being a homophobe is Paleo now too...Christo=NOT winning.

E0b0d94cebef8ed2371d02ec2ecb5461

(94)

on March 14, 2011
at 10:20 PM

also called pikes, hanging leg raises...theyre not that hard. and most people swing the fuck out of them anyway. dragon flags, hanging windshield wipers, the flag, and the almighty evil wheel are where real core strength is tested.

4d8545ba40148e982a5c891acbf20e76

(183)

on March 14, 2011
at 09:22 PM

The strongest cores are built doing v-ups. You grab a pullup bar and lift your legs until your feet are at eye level or higher. Extremely difficult, takes months practice to do.

5672b2d190891342389e764cc4056ca9

(1304)

on March 15, 2011
at 01:41 AM

-1 from me, no need to explain

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 14, 2011
at 10:23 PM

The north-south mount position involves a high potential for face-to-crotch interaction. This might, possibly, be construed as more homoerotic than sitting on a swiss ball. But neither of these is crap, compared to stupidly linking exercises to sexual preferences.

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