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Has anyone seen Dr. Terry Wahls video re: curing her MS?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 03, 2011 at 12:21 AM

What do you think of her cure using a gluten free/dairy free with 9 cups of nutritious vegetables, grassfed meat, offal, and seaweed once a week?

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

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on September 26, 2012
at 12:26 AM

Isn't B12 deficiency connected to nerve degeneration as well. The gut cannot absorb B12 as readily in celiac disease, so it could make sense that a gluten free diet could improve B12 uptake. I've even heard that B12 deficiency is sometimes misdiagnosed as MS.

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

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on February 29, 2012
at 05:47 PM

I checked this at lunch. Most days before i even found Wahls or paleo I had cooked spinach with lunch. My three handfuls full three cups before cooking and I suspect my very large spinach portion gets me that third of the requirements- all the greens although I imagine cooking it loses some of the good stuff. I am trying the sulphur element by turnips. I can eat raw root veg for England but probably not enough of that year. Half a small swede/turnip raw feels fine but that is not three cups so need to work on that perhaps. 3 cups of berries is dead easy. I can eat blueberries and raw carrots

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

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on February 29, 2012
at 05:44 PM

I got from watching the video free the details of the diet. 50% of the profits go to the research. it is not a huge cost. Even an Amazon reviewer of the book gives a very full description of what you need to eat.

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on February 29, 2012
at 05:43 PM

I think she favours sunlight too. I certainly do. Difficult in the winter where I live but in summer being out more helps.

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on February 29, 2012
at 05:42 PM

What a good son.

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on January 24, 2012
at 02:25 PM

She put out the basic information in her talk- maybe a person could just run with that instead of buying the book etc.

D291fa0ee09423d56db58cd6fded1b85

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on January 24, 2012
at 03:28 AM

Offal / liver = K2

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 06, 2011
at 12:04 AM

Apparently natto smells sort of like old gym socks- my son ate it in Japan.

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on December 05, 2011
at 06:52 PM

Clearly Quilt meant K1. The bigger problem with his comment is that he probably has no evidence to support his claim that vitamin K (1 or 2) does anything for MS. Is it plausible? Yes. Should you take his word on it because he says he is a doctor, no! As far as I can tell (with a short search), there's only this rat result and its applicability to MS or to humans is speculative at best: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=17940056094827847432&hl=en&as_sdt=20005&sciodt=0,9

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on December 05, 2011
at 06:51 PM

Clearly Quilt meant K1. The bigger problem with his comment is that he probably has no evidence to support his claim that vitamin K (1 or 2). Is it plausible? Yes. Should you take his word on it because he says he is a doctor, no! As far as I can tell (with a short search), there's only this result and it is speculative at best: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165572805003280

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

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on December 05, 2011
at 05:09 PM

Her site is full of great info. Interesting that she feels sulfur is vital in the diet yet omits eggs.

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on December 05, 2011
at 04:43 PM

She's 6 feet tall -- I doubt the portion recs would be identical for a 5 foot petite person. I think the principles of what she's eating and why are more important than trying to copy her amounts. I also think what she isn't eating is just as important.

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on December 05, 2011
at 04:38 PM

http://www.ted.com/tedx

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on December 05, 2011
at 04:38 PM

The video of Dr Terry Wahl is from a TEDx event. These are independent events that anyone can set up and invite whoever they want. It is separate from the big official TED conferences.

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

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on December 05, 2011
at 03:11 PM

Apparently Quilt's "tsunami wave" will have everybody eating Kale for K2...WTF?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on December 05, 2011
at 12:00 AM

@Quilt: "And there are many vegetable sources of K2 as well." This statement is simply incorrect. Plants contain phylloquinone (vitamin k1), this is different from the various menaqinones (vitamin K2) synthesised by animals and bacteria.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 04, 2011
at 11:56 PM

@Quilt: "And there are many vegetable sources of K2 as well." This statement is simply incorrect. Plants contian phylloquinone (vitamin k1), this is different from the various menaqinones (vitamin K2) synthesised by animals and bacteria.

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on December 04, 2011
at 05:25 PM

also isn't the vitamin k in veggies not as available as the k found in something like pastured butter or grassfed meat?

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on December 04, 2011
at 01:13 PM

A cup is a measure of volume equivalent to approx. 250 mL, not weight, so it would vary somewhat depending on the type of veggie, form, etc. Weight would presumably make more sense, but I think she's trying to give a general idea rather than an exact prescription.

A1081af52b61372dbb3ed572d88968f4

(425)

on December 04, 2011
at 12:11 PM

Renee, Afraid I'm not a neuro-medicine professional like Quilt, but have read enough to know that different type of neurodegeneration all seem to have imbalances in brain chemistry. What strikes me about this MS case is that as I understand it, it is a disease of lost myelin, the coating around your neurons made heavily from cholesterol. As the myelin degrades, eventually neurons are eliminated, and thus would seem highly irreversible. This seems to imply that many neurons are still there and can be reinvigorated if re-coated and put back in a healthy biochemical environment.

A1081af52b61372dbb3ed572d88968f4

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on December 04, 2011
at 12:03 PM

Quilt thanks. Gives me a bookmark to read more on K2 and some questions to place in front of my dad's Drs.

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on December 04, 2011
at 04:35 AM

Dr. Wahls also commented specifically on kale.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 04, 2011
at 04:31 AM

Yes, I think you are right about Vitamin D being very important too.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:21 PM

A direct quote from Quilt: "Kale has a ton of K2." Is kale not a green vegetable?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Thanks for once again trying to put words in my mouth chief. I never said that and have written a blog about K2 that lays the dietary frame work of what one should do. And there are many vegetable sources of K2 as well. They just are not that great. Some are excellent.

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:01 PM

Me neither. I always measure my stuff in grams.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on December 03, 2011
at 06:57 PM

Natto looks really cool. DOes the fermenting make the soybean OK? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natto

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:47 PM

I think that Quilt is under the impression that green vegetables contain vitamin K2.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:46 PM

@Quilt: You must be mistaken again, kale does not contain any K2. Kale contains vitamin k1 (phylloquinone), this is different from vitamin K2 (menaqinone). It is important to understand that there is a difference.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 06:43 PM

Yeah, if she's eating liver like once a week, that's very little K2

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:40 PM

The diet described in the video will not contain very much K2.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:38 PM

@Quilt: You must be mistaken again, kale does not contain any K2. Kale contains vitamin k1 (Phylloquinone), this is different from vitamin K2 (menaqinone). It is important to understand that there is a difference.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:27 PM

Kale contains vitamin k1 (Phylloquinone), this is different from vitamin K2 (menaqinone). It is important to understand that there is a difference.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:22 PM

Kale contains vitamin k1 (Phylloquinone).

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 05:57 PM

@Quilt: You must be mistaken again, kale does not contain any K2.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on December 03, 2011
at 04:57 PM

The diseases have a ton in common. 1. http://jackkruse.com/where-autoimmunity-cancer-and-disease-collide/ 2. http://jackkruse.com/why-leaky-guts-lead-to-ms/

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on December 03, 2011
at 04:55 PM

Kale has a ton of K2. Someone with MS I suggest to them Natto.....most cant handle it. But the ones that do do amazing pretty damn fast too when I have them mix in a ketogenic diet with high MCT for myelin repair and synthesis. YOu also must fix their sleep deficit.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on December 03, 2011
at 04:54 PM

Russ the clinical uses of K2 have not been close to covered by this community. I use K2 like a madman because I treat the diseases that have the biggest K2 deficits found in all humans. This is where clinical medicine can augment a paleo template. Dr Terry and I are like minded on this area.

8c509aac21bdb54b3ca91de2da994b9b

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:08 PM

yes, you are right, but i was just talking about how her words just reminded me of the basic idea.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:58 PM

Russ, do you think the similarities are close enough between the two diseases to convince my dad to start feeding my parkinsonian mom this way?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:48 PM

Yeah, but it is a good reminder to use the proper grade of fuel or the delivery will be faulty.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on December 03, 2011
at 02:46 PM

A shitload of green leafy, cruciferous and colourful veggies and fruit it seems.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:40 PM

Reminds me of the 'big ass salad' idea.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:39 PM

Not sure Korion. I would just eat three plates full and not stress over weighing everything myself. I think the main idea is to get variety- leafy, cruciferous, and colourful rather than just get broccoli for example.

8c509aac21bdb54b3ca91de2da994b9b

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:36 PM

omg, AnnaA, I just saw the TED video and was so inspired, I ran to PH to post to share, and lo behold, you beat me to the punch! Thank you so much for posting the question.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on December 03, 2011
at 12:49 PM

I don't understand... isn't a cup of salad only 200g? I used to eat 3 broccolis every day in june last year. That's 1,5kg...

A1081af52b61372dbb3ed572d88968f4

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on December 03, 2011
at 12:46 PM

Quilt, interesting on the K2 proposal. Can simple supplementation then also help myelin recovery? I've started my Dad and myself on K2 (MK_&) for cardiovascular and bone benefits, but didn't realize role in myelin. Although not dealing with MS, seems like could be helpful in any myelin-related neurodegeneration? Any references you can recommend?

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:12 AM

What is the best way to get K2?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 06:24 AM

In the amount of greens, it's like a combo of Fuhrman + Paleo.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:03 AM

The key is K2 and fats......the tsunami wave is gathering steam.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:02 AM

K2 is the reason why it works......myelin requires massive amounts of K2. I think this is one of the greatest things paleo could have happen. TED on paleo is just beginning. I am doing one soon too. The tipping point for this lifestyle is coming.

Medium avatar

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:58 AM

Right on. ........

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:57 AM

I'm with you, Dorado. Let's keep some scientific credibility around but cheer on the improvements.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:39 AM

In the meantime she has had amazing improvement in her mobility, which is worth its weight in gold.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:37 AM

I guess given her reason for trying it, I would do the same. At least it is hunter-gatherer.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:35 AM

It's an overwhelming amount of green grub for sure! I had about a 2 cup salad at dinner out tonight and it was huge.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:32 AM

HOLY- I didn't realize that was her son. Good job Mom!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:31 AM

I have a very dear friend who has had MS for over 20 years and nothing would make me happier than to have her health improve to the extent that Dr. Wahls has. At least Sr. Wahls dumped the SAD foods and is very close to paleo.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:26 AM

per day! 3 cups makes one heaping dinner plate full

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:13 AM

Wonderful for you, Carina!! :)

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:08 AM

nine cups a day or a week?

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8
244e1f82efb3fd15d2da39397488fb24

(549)

on December 03, 2011
at 02:22 AM

It's fantastic news - I healed my own fibromyalgia on this diet. At the very least, I have 3% of the severity and only one or two symptoms total (there are so many possible symptoms, and I had almost all of them). That is a heck of a lot of veggies to eat in one day, though.

But it's relative.

We're all different. Some cultures eat a peleo-esque diet that only has like 20% calories from protein and fat and for some reason they are just as healthy as paleo-eating cultures that have the opposite ratios and partake of the dairy. I think it's all about what your metabolic type is. Everyone can benefit from a paleo diet as long as they can learn to listen to their bodies and figure out what ratios of macronutrients to bring into balance.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:13 AM

Wonderful for you, Carina!! :)

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Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:16 AM

nods I put my MS into remission using ancestral diet. I don't eat that many veggies, though. My diet leans much more towards fats. I do eat a good bit of mashed cauliflower whipped with home-made cream cheese, though.

That being said, I won't say that I 'cured' my MS -- it's a degenerative condition, and because mine is remitting/progressive, until I've gone the rest of my life without another relapse/progression... well... I guess I won't know for sure that it's "cured". My goal is to extend the period of remission as long as possible, and minimize any damage if I relapse/progress.... and the outcome won't be decided until I'm dead and my body is properly donated to science. grins

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:46 PM

@Quilt: You must be mistaken again, kale does not contain any K2. Kale contains vitamin k1 (phylloquinone), this is different from vitamin K2 (menaqinone). It is important to understand that there is a difference.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:27 PM

Kale contains vitamin k1 (Phylloquinone), this is different from vitamin K2 (menaqinone). It is important to understand that there is a difference.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on December 03, 2011
at 04:31 AM

I have a very dear friend who has had MS for over 20 years and nothing would make me happier than to have her health improve to the extent that Dr. Wahls has. At least Sr. Wahls dumped the SAD foods and is very close to paleo.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:03 AM

The key is K2 and fats......the tsunami wave is gathering steam.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on December 03, 2011
at 02:46 PM

A shitload of green leafy, cruciferous and colourful veggies and fruit it seems.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on December 03, 2011
at 04:55 PM

Kale has a ton of K2. Someone with MS I suggest to them Natto.....most cant handle it. But the ones that do do amazing pretty damn fast too when I have them mix in a ketogenic diet with high MCT for myelin repair and synthesis. YOu also must fix their sleep deficit.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:57 PM

Natto looks really cool. DOes the fermenting make the soybean OK? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natto

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 05:57 PM

@Quilt: You must be mistaken again, kale does not contain any K2.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on December 03, 2011
at 08:12 AM

What is the best way to get K2?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:22 PM

Kale contains vitamin k1 (Phylloquinone).

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:38 PM

@Quilt: You must be mistaken again, kale does not contain any K2. Kale contains vitamin k1 (Phylloquinone), this is different from vitamin K2 (menaqinone). It is important to understand that there is a difference.

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

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on December 05, 2011
at 03:11 PM

Apparently Quilt's "tsunami wave" will have everybody eating Kale for K2...WTF?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 06, 2011
at 12:04 AM

Apparently natto smells sort of like old gym socks- my son ate it in Japan.

D291fa0ee09423d56db58cd6fded1b85

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on January 24, 2012
at 03:28 AM

Offal / liver = K2

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Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:48 AM

I would LOVE to see more SAD MS patients influenced by a successful gluten-free, whole-food strong, grass-fed, offal-eating, seaweed-laced Paleo-ish diet. Wonderful that it's on TED.

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:23 AM

Cure? Or remission? The former is a hypothesis and a hope. The latter is as good as the day. This holds for myriad diseases and maladies. Here's to remissions that last.

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:58 AM

Right on. ........

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:57 AM

I'm with you, Dorado. Let's keep some scientific credibility around but cheer on the improvements.

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:39 AM

In the meantime she has had amazing improvement in her mobility, which is worth its weight in gold.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 01:01 AM

I think it's awesome that it works for her, but that much vegetables would put my stomach into spasms. It is a wonderful testament though that people can adjust a diet under the paleo paradigm to work for them.

Here is the original video http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/TEDxIowaCity-Dr-Terry-Wahls-Min

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:35 AM

It's an overwhelming amount of green grub for sure! I had about a 2 cup salad at dinner out tonight and it was huge.

A1081af52b61372dbb3ed572d88968f4

(425)

on December 03, 2011
at 12:46 PM

Quilt, interesting on the K2 proposal. Can simple supplementation then also help myelin recovery? I've started my Dad and myself on K2 (MK_&) for cardiovascular and bone benefits, but didn't realize role in myelin. Although not dealing with MS, seems like could be helpful in any myelin-related neurodegeneration? Any references you can recommend?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 06:43 PM

Yeah, if she's eating liver like once a week, that's very little K2

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 09:21 PM

A direct quote from Quilt: "Kale has a ton of K2." Is kale not a green vegetable?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:40 PM

The diet described in the video will not contain very much K2.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on December 03, 2011
at 04:54 PM

Russ the clinical uses of K2 have not been close to covered by this community. I use K2 like a madman because I treat the diseases that have the biggest K2 deficits found in all humans. This is where clinical medicine can augment a paleo template. Dr Terry and I are like minded on this area.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on December 04, 2011
at 11:56 PM

@Quilt: "And there are many vegetable sources of K2 as well." This statement is simply incorrect. Plants contian phylloquinone (vitamin k1), this is different from the various menaqinones (vitamin K2) synthesised by animals and bacteria.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 04, 2011
at 04:35 AM

Dr. Wahls also commented specifically on kale.

A1081af52b61372dbb3ed572d88968f4

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on December 04, 2011
at 12:03 PM

Quilt thanks. Gives me a bookmark to read more on K2 and some questions to place in front of my dad's Drs.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on December 03, 2011
at 06:02 AM

K2 is the reason why it works......myelin requires massive amounts of K2. I think this is one of the greatest things paleo could have happen. TED on paleo is just beginning. I am doing one soon too. The tipping point for this lifestyle is coming.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on December 03, 2011
at 02:39 PM

Not sure Korion. I would just eat three plates full and not stress over weighing everything myself. I think the main idea is to get variety- leafy, cruciferous, and colourful rather than just get broccoli for example.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on December 03, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Thanks for once again trying to put words in my mouth chief. I never said that and have written a blog about K2 that lays the dietary frame work of what one should do. And there are many vegetable sources of K2 as well. They just are not that great. Some are excellent.

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on December 03, 2011
at 12:49 PM

I don't understand... isn't a cup of salad only 200g? I used to eat 3 broccolis every day in june last year. That's 1,5kg...

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on December 05, 2011
at 12:00 AM

@Quilt: "And there are many vegetable sources of K2 as well." This statement is simply incorrect. Plants contain phylloquinone (vitamin k1), this is different from the various menaqinones (vitamin K2) synthesised by animals and bacteria.

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on December 04, 2011
at 05:25 PM

also isn't the vitamin k in veggies not as available as the k found in something like pastured butter or grassfed meat?

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on December 03, 2011
at 06:24 AM

In the amount of greens, it's like a combo of Fuhrman + Paleo.

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on December 03, 2011
at 06:47 PM

I think that Quilt is under the impression that green vegetables contain vitamin K2.

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on December 05, 2011
at 06:52 PM

Clearly Quilt meant K1. The bigger problem with his comment is that he probably has no evidence to support his claim that vitamin K (1 or 2) does anything for MS. Is it plausible? Yes. Should you take his word on it because he says he is a doctor, no! As far as I can tell (with a short search), there's only this rat result and its applicability to MS or to humans is speculative at best: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=17940056094827847432&hl=en&as_sdt=20005&sciodt=0,9

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on December 05, 2011
at 06:51 PM

Clearly Quilt meant K1. The bigger problem with his comment is that he probably has no evidence to support his claim that vitamin K (1 or 2). Is it plausible? Yes. Should you take his word on it because he says he is a doctor, no! As far as I can tell (with a short search), there's only this result and it is speculative at best: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165572805003280

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on December 05, 2011
at 02:28 PM

I always said that TED talks are the way to go... And of course, what a great result!

Just some thoughts I have after watching the video:

  • She could/should have talked more about the things she avoided and their role in auto-immune disease.

  • She almost certainly must have read some of the paleo/primal/ancestral blogs. If she did, it would have been nice if she would aknowledge her internet sources.

  • Should the paleo world somehow invite her, like guest blogging, AHS12, ...? She could be Dr. W

  • She could have mentioned that her diet is delicious, and not that hard to follow.

But than again, there's only 18 minutes in a TED talk. And she did great.

How does one apply to talk at a TED conference? If I would have to choose for paleo TED talks, I would choose Mark Sisson, Erwan Le Corre and Staffan Lindeberg.

Mark Sisson can reach a great lay audience with his style.

Erwan Le Corre only has to show one of his video's and talk with his French accent to convince many.

And Staffan Lindeberg can be the more scientifically substantiated talker, someone the hardcore scientists will listen too.

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on December 05, 2011
at 04:38 PM

http://www.ted.com/tedx

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on December 05, 2011
at 04:38 PM

The video of Dr Terry Wahl is from a TEDx event. These are independent events that anyone can set up and invite whoever they want. It is separate from the big official TED conferences.

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:06 AM

And her son is freakin' adorable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQQK2Vuf9Q

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:32 AM

HOLY- I didn't realize that was her son. Good job Mom!

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on February 29, 2012
at 05:42 PM

What a good son.

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:09 AM

I think it's one of the best things I've heard this year. Good on her!

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on January 24, 2012
at 02:35 AM

I, too, was impressed when I saw her video because it makes sense. I practiced toxicology for several decades but it is still difficult for me to identify the best diet I can afford. Her discussion (video) helped me understand the diet. While all the information is impressive, so are the costs for her books. I am continuing to research whether her diet is the best since I never take anyone's word without verification. It would be nice and reassuring if this information were presented to the general public at a much lower cost. Once again I wonder where the humanitarian part comes in especially with Dr. Wahls who had such a miraculous recovery from MS.

If Wahls truly wanted to help every interested individual in a humanitarian way, this information would be made available for all to "digest". Thus my dismay to hear that once the hook is set, you must buy buy buy(obviously not at cost to her either).

IMO, the world will more quickly become a much better place to live if information is shared unselfishly and not for profit.

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on January 24, 2012
at 02:25 PM

She put out the basic information in her talk- maybe a person could just run with that instead of buying the book etc.

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on February 29, 2012
at 05:44 PM

I got from watching the video free the details of the diet. 50% of the profits go to the research. it is not a huge cost. Even an Amazon reviewer of the book gives a very full description of what you need to eat.

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on December 04, 2011
at 03:51 AM

Great video!

That said, I would go for more organ meats, bone broth & gelatin & skip most of those veggies.

Hers is not a great diet for adherence, IMO.

Where is any mention of Vitamin D? Most of the health problems she attributes to casein, I could just as easily link to Vitamin D deficiency.

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on December 04, 2011
at 04:31 AM

Yes, I think you are right about Vitamin D being very important too.

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on February 29, 2012
at 05:43 PM

I think she favours sunlight too. I certainly do. Difficult in the winter where I live but in summer being out more helps.

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on September 26, 2012
at 12:26 AM

Isn't B12 deficiency connected to nerve degeneration as well. The gut cannot absorb B12 as readily in celiac disease, so it could make sense that a gluten free diet could improve B12 uptake. I've even heard that B12 deficiency is sometimes misdiagnosed as MS.

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:12 PM

No I hadn't but now I have :-) The most powerful paleo talk I've seen so far! Reversing severe myelin degradation as in MS would have seemed impossible. Gives me several good clues to helping my Dad's Parkinsonism. I'm off to find the paper she said she was presenting!

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:58 PM

Russ, do you think the similarities are close enough between the two diseases to convince my dad to start feeding my parkinsonian mom this way?

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:57 PM

The diseases have a ton in common. 1. http://jackkruse.com/where-autoimmunity-cancer-and-disease-collide/ 2. http://jackkruse.com/why-leaky-guts-lead-to-ms/

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on December 04, 2011
at 12:11 PM

Renee, Afraid I'm not a neuro-medicine professional like Quilt, but have read enough to know that different type of neurodegeneration all seem to have imbalances in brain chemistry. What strikes me about this MS case is that as I understand it, it is a disease of lost myelin, the coating around your neurons made heavily from cholesterol. As the myelin degrades, eventually neurons are eliminated, and thus would seem highly irreversible. This seems to imply that many neurons are still there and can be reinvigorated if re-coated and put back in a healthy biochemical environment.

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:13 AM

This is an amazing video. Thanks for sharing!

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on September 25, 2012
at 08:54 PM

Isn't juicing the perfect way to get all those vegetables easily into the diet.

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:44 PM

Please no one beat me up, but I just wanted to say that while I was watching Dr. Wahl, I was reminded of "The Zone" where, to me and my mind, I got the impression from "The Zone" that food is a prescription in a sense, dosaging, delivery of the proper nutrients, chemicals, whatever you wanna call'em, to our cells at a low level, to operate and function properly.

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:08 PM

yes, you are right, but i was just talking about how her words just reminded me of the basic idea.

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:48 PM

Yeah, but it is a good reminder to use the proper grade of fuel or the delivery will be faulty.

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:41 PM

That was amazing. Thank you for sharing!

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on December 03, 2011
at 12:52 PM

That's amazing. A good friend of our family died of it. I always thought it was un-cureable, as we got a sad presentation about the disease at school when raising money for people with MS.

On a sidenote : 9 cups of veggies, how much grams would that be? I never really understood why people measure in cups.

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:01 PM

Me neither. I always measure my stuff in grams.

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on December 04, 2011
at 01:13 PM

A cup is a measure of volume equivalent to approx. 250 mL, not weight, so it would vary somewhat depending on the type of veggie, form, etc. Weight would presumably make more sense, but I think she's trying to give a general idea rather than an exact prescription.

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:31 AM

That's great news. I wonder if any here eat that many vegetables. Like Melissa said, I can't imagine the digestive system being too happy.

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:37 AM

I guess given her reason for trying it, I would do the same. At least it is hunter-gatherer.

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on February 29, 2012
at 05:47 PM

I checked this at lunch. Most days before i even found Wahls or paleo I had cooked spinach with lunch. My three handfuls full three cups before cooking and I suspect my very large spinach portion gets me that third of the requirements- all the greens although I imagine cooking it loses some of the good stuff. I am trying the sulphur element by turnips. I can eat raw root veg for England but probably not enough of that year. Half a small swede/turnip raw feels fine but that is not three cups so need to work on that perhaps. 3 cups of berries is dead easy. I can eat blueberries and raw carrots

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