3

votes

Any experiences overcoming MOOD disorders?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 26, 2011 at 5:00 PM

A similar question has been asked before, but this derives from Michael Ellsberg's fascinating Forbes article.

http://blogs.forbes.com/michaelellsberg/2011/07/18/how-i-overcame-bipolar-ii/

In many ways his story is similar to my own. I do not have a diagnosis of Bipolar II but it is clear that I had a number of symptoms (hypomania, hypersexuality, grandiosity, etc.) all of which are substantially muted on a paleo diet (well, not the hypersexuality so much but I refuse to give up coffee and alcohol...).

At any rate, I wonder if this resonates with anyone else?

16e617676c5ac710e5235e0b773edc0b

(2640)

on June 04, 2012
at 12:08 AM

I really enjoyed that article. Thanks for sharing it!

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on July 27, 2011
at 03:53 AM

Yeah, I've answered in the other threads so I won't repeat here, but my diagnosis is/was BPII, and I'm completely symptom-free.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on July 26, 2011
at 10:28 PM

Some problems aren't easily fixable. Personality disorders (or NPD, anyway, which is the only one I know much about) are difficult to treat. And I don't believe poor diet is the cause of all evil or that eating paleo is the solution to all problems.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 09:28 PM

Oh jeez - you don't have to be around me so it's easy for you to say :) Dammit. Don't make me take that dare!!!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:37 PM

but that's the only thing that worked for him in the end.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:34 PM

yeah but the article revealed it was all about coffee and refine sugar. Please give up coffee so we can see it it works baconbitch.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:32 PM

so how do you fix the root problem then. If you're going to say it's not diet, then how would you propose to fix it otherwise? I think it's all diet baby

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:31 PM

physcologically I feel better from a week and half off coffee, but I'm still very blaaahh during the day.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:32 PM

back so soon ?

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

(8878)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:30 PM

I'm conveniently ignoring the coffee/alcohol portion of this...

7636e1e02ef91a46f20a42e07b565a4b

(367)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:21 PM

Sounds about right. In my experience with those affected, diet can certainly exacerbate the symptoms but the root problem develops early and often doesn't change without considerable intervention and determination. I think the brain fog and malaise from a poor SAD diet can ensure perpetuation of the problem, though, because it muddles with cognition and obviates the energetic reserves needed to battle (and embrace) the demons.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:10 PM

Yes, it's a handy word to describe all kinds of behaviour.

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

(8878)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:06 PM

I like the term "assholery"

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on July 26, 2011
at 05:33 PM

I struggled with depression since I was 10 so it might have been longer than 5 years but I'm just going with when I was diagnosed.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on July 26, 2011
at 05:32 PM

Wait, bipolar disorder isn't a personality disorder.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 05:31 PM

Love that guy. I read this last week. While not nutritional, I recommend this TED Talk: http://www.ted.com/talks/joshua_walters_on_being_just_crazy_enough.html

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on July 26, 2011
at 05:26 PM

Bipolar is actually a mood disorder. Not a personality disorder.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on July 26, 2011
at 05:16 PM

I can't read the blog at work, but this definitely resonates with me on pretty much the same level. I can't wait to read it tonight. Thoughtful comments to come...

  • 531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

    asked by

    (8878)
  • Views
    1.8K
  • Last Activity
    1279D AGO
Frontpage book

Get FREE instant access to our Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!

6 Answers

4
7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on July 26, 2011
at 05:39 PM

Bipolar isn't a personality disorder. Anyway, I have some close experience with personality disorder because my father has (diagnosed) narcissistic personality disorder (always fun times in our house growing up with a father like that, luckily my mom eventually kicked him out) Obviously I'm not an expert but I can't see how my dad's pathological assholery was due to his diet, and not his ridiculously dysfunctional upbringing and resultant coping mechanisms, or whatever causes personality disorders. FWIW, I remember a time when he decided to try the Atikns diet and he was stricter than a lot of people- no wheat, even low carb products. I don't recall him being any less of a dick during that year. I've heard personality disorders are very difficult to treat/overcome because it's not like a mood disorder or something; your personality is you, so how do people with them realise that there's a problem? They don't. I feel like I may be wrong so someone correct me if they know more.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:10 PM

Yes, it's a handy word to describe all kinds of behaviour.

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

(8878)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:06 PM

I like the term "assholery"

7636e1e02ef91a46f20a42e07b565a4b

(367)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:21 PM

Sounds about right. In my experience with those affected, diet can certainly exacerbate the symptoms but the root problem develops early and often doesn't change without considerable intervention and determination. I think the brain fog and malaise from a poor SAD diet can ensure perpetuation of the problem, though, because it muddles with cognition and obviates the energetic reserves needed to battle (and embrace) the demons.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on July 26, 2011
at 10:28 PM

Some problems aren't easily fixable. Personality disorders (or NPD, anyway, which is the only one I know much about) are difficult to treat. And I don't believe poor diet is the cause of all evil or that eating paleo is the solution to all problems.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:32 PM

so how do you fix the root problem then. If you're going to say it's not diet, then how would you propose to fix it otherwise? I think it's all diet baby

3
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 05:36 PM

Yup - Type !! here. I've posted about it here on PH. But yes, I've seen a huge difference. The depression is not as severe but I'm still struggling with it. I haven't had a hypomanic state in several weeks which is a long time for me and I miss them. Like Roy, the hypersexuality is still there too. I can't give up coffee yet. I'm lowering the wine intake to once per week though. That had the biggest impact on me. All in all, I can't say paleo specifically helped as I've always been a clean eater. What has helped is tracking my food, exercise and mood and changing up my food based on my moods.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:34 PM

yeah but the article revealed it was all about coffee and refine sugar. Please give up coffee so we can see it it works baconbitch.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 09:28 PM

Oh jeez - you don't have to be around me so it's easy for you to say :) Dammit. Don't make me take that dare!!!

2
1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on July 26, 2011
at 05:31 PM

I had bipolar type 2 for about 5 years. The hypomanic symptoms went away about 3 years ago but up until I got pregnant 1 1/2 years ago I still struggled with debilitating depression. I think the pregnancy helped and now the correct eating has truly nipped it in the bud. I didn't give up caffiene completely but I eat vlc and only have maybe one or two glasses of wine a month. It has helped tremendously. My husband really sees a difference in me.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on July 26, 2011
at 05:33 PM

I struggled with depression since I was 10 so it might have been longer than 5 years but I'm just going with when I was diagnosed.

1
47fbd704c0392c2f38e86a72f1a06c6c

on July 26, 2011
at 06:10 PM

Great article. There are people in my life it greatly reminded me of and who I hope will read the article and be inspired . I wonder... when he's talking about coffee being the issue... decaf too? I know that will be one of the first questions posed to me when I bring it up ;-)

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

(8878)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:30 PM

I'm conveniently ignoring the coffee/alcohol portion of this...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:37 PM

but that's the only thing that worked for him in the end.

1
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 05:24 PM

Yup. I think it's the coffee believe it or not. I'm about a week and half into no caffeine plus paleo and there's definitly a difference. I'm not tired, but the result is that I feel like doing absolutely nothing, and feel very blaaah. But personality, grandiosity, mood swings are why I went Paleo in the first place, and same, it keeps it under control except for hypersexuality. Give up coffee.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:32 PM

back so soon ?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:31 PM

physcologically I feel better from a week and half off coffee, but I'm still very blaaahh during the day.

0
673f7ad6052448d51496f177395416b7

on June 03, 2012
at 08:43 PM

He says he cut out refined sugar, alcohol and caffeine. Does anyone happen to know if he went LC or VLC?

Answer Question


Get FREE instant access to our
Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!