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Living off the land

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 04, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Hi all, I am about to embark on a lifelong adventure/vacation. I will be moving to South Surrey BC to my famrland and establishing a farm there. I am interested in the so-called 'alternative' living accomodations angle and would like some feedback about how this might be accomplished. Here is my proposal: I will live in a SEACAN(or shipping container) intially it will not have electricity/heat/running water. My concern is to live under these conditions following the PALEO lifestyle as closely as possible. Does anyone have any good ideas that can be implemented where diet/storage/prep of food is concerned? Also, washing, sleeping, etc. I am a frugal person and want to live a 'minimalistic lifestyle'. I have little history of camping or roughing it so any advice would be appreciated.

The temperature would be a high of 24 degrees(celcius), a low of -5(celcius). Alot of rain and fairly secluded area(approx. 1 hour outside of Vancouver by vehicle). Let me know what I should do or what you would do in my place.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 08, 2011
at 12:26 AM

@Jack Kronk: Why?

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:14 PM

vive la difference !

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 07, 2011
at 06:40 AM

Anon - get to know the history of PersonMan's posts or shut the heck up.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:04 AM

@Jack Kronk: Yeah, I pride myself in my downvote to upvote ratio. Thanks for the encouragement, pal.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:03 AM

@Jack Kronk: It's self-centered because you assumed he had the same goals as you. How's it a DELUSION of re-enactment if he truly finds re-enactment (whatever that is) fun? How is it OCD rather than just what he's interested in? OCD has a negative connotation. What's he doing that's OCD? Is what he's doing bad from the point of view of HIS goals, or are you just gonna be presumptuous and self-centered and assume that YOUR goals are HIS? In short, you have no basis for criticizing his decision until you ask him what he's trying to do by going out there... it could just be for fun. What then?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:00 AM

@Jack Kronk: Yeah, often I don't look at the username before responding, and that's to avoid the variety of cognitive biases that result from, well, knowing who you're talking to. When I wrote that, I couldn't care less who you were; I was just giving my opinion on your answer. Your answer, not your character.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on May 06, 2011
at 02:44 AM

Personman, you are a paleo legend.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 10:24 PM

Thesis, antithesis and...synthesis...

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 05, 2011
at 05:25 PM

AC - you must have one of the highest downvote to upvote ratios on all of PH. nice job there.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 05, 2011
at 05:13 PM

I have upvoted this question, because I think the discussion adds value to the readers of PaleoHacks.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 05, 2011
at 05:09 PM

Oh my! Wowsers. Honestly AC I don't see how my answer is self centered in any way at all. Was my answer selfish or something? I don't get it. You seriously respond without looking at who you're writing to? Por que? That is the most bizarre thing of this entire discussion so far. At any rate. You seem ticked. But before you wonder why I put that about "nice answer"... look at the history of my communications with PM before you go making assumptions. I'm sorry AC, I'm just seeing this the way you are somehow able to at this point. I feel good about what I wrote. I am a reasonably nice guy. C-ya.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on May 05, 2011
at 04:57 PM

As a Stoic, you'll soon be back to nature

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 05, 2011
at 04:55 PM

Haha Kamal. I would totally get behind that thesis.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on May 05, 2011
at 04:54 PM

the winery ! Now there's the draw...........

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:56 PM

Hey kids, chillax! We're all (internet) friends here.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:53 PM

Oh I see, that makes sense. Natural houses are also more difficult insulation-wise up north. I'm not sure I'll ever call myself a nutritionist, but I'm slowly churning throught the PhD. Too bad my thesis can't just be "Paleo: Why it's So Cool".

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:29 PM

Hey Kamal...R U a nutritionist yet? I am not much for straw houses lest the big bad wolf be-a-comin', hence the metal-box style house which I will be converting into a gym and will live amidst the equipment.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 05, 2011
at 03:28 PM

@Jack Kronk: This is the nicest answer you've given him in a long time? Then what's your problem? And "stupid, self-centered answer" is far worse than what you wrote? Worse FOR WHAT? I wasn't attacking you for flaming him or something. I was attacking you for giving a STUPID, SELF-CENTERED ANSWER. And you don't give a rip what I think about you? Seriously, your whole response here is totally bizarre. I wasn't trying to get you to care what I think of you or something, in fact I wrote the reply without even looking at your username, like I normally do. Why not actually respond to what I wrote?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:16 PM

Thanks for the info. I will be on farmland but not too far off the beatne track(for better or worse). I'll be sure to check your website and have copied/pasted your suggestions into a notepad file to be printed/read/researched.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:10 PM

and by the way, another point... is that what concerned me most was the opening sentence. "lifelong adventure". If he had said he's gonna try it out for a year or so, I would have answered with something closer to Dr. K's comment right underneath the question. PM seems like a pretty tough guy. He sleeps on a flat slate rock or something like that and he's pretty jacked. But I still think going to the middle of "no-where" and living in a seacan for life is a drastic and even risky move for his future lifelong health.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on May 05, 2011
at 11:03 AM

Google Ray Mears

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on May 05, 2011
at 10:12 AM

Full credit to you PersonMan, and the best of luck !

5740abb0fa033403978dd988b0609dfd

(2633)

on May 05, 2011
at 05:04 AM

One egg per chicken per day. Are you for real? You don't even know how many eggs one gets from a chicken, but are going to live off the grid in a shipping container? Have you made plans for after the local building inspector/health dept quarantines the place? Snobs have their ways of keeping out gypsies and clowns.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:06 AM

UncleLongHair and AnonCoward - This is PersonMan we are talking about here. You may not realize this, but this is like... the nicest answer I have given him in quite a while. I'm nobody's judge. This is a question/answer site. I provided the answer I wanted to and did not use flaming remarks. "Stupid, self-centered answer" is far worse than what I wrote. You can think what you want about me. I don't give a rip.

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(5136)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:36 AM

been to BC but no, i don't live there. depends on the chicken adn the time of year... ducks are supposed to be pretty good consisent layers actually. I hear fancy chicken breeds are sometimes less productive. I'd also recommend watching "Escape to River Cottage" on Amazon. Hugh FW is awesome and he becomes a "smallholder" and has some enlightening and entertaining adventures. You have to pay to watch it though, haven't seen it elsewhere except Brit format dvd. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00127ZU1Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=digital-video&qid=1304562942&sr=8-1

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:11 AM

I'll need it brother...do you know if generators are a good option and if there exist those that don't use gas?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:08 AM

Thanks for the info. I was thinking of a rabbitry and goats as well. Are you from BC? Do you know if the Serpentine river can be fished from(a naive question I know...). How many eggs would a chicken lay in a day? Currently I am at 6 eggs per day but wouldn't mind making eggs a staple at 1-2 dozen per day and would keep a 'stock' of chickens to accomodate the dietary reqs.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Done and Done. Any links or should I try a torrent site?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:03 AM

I already own the land and care little what the BC snoots think of my lifestyle(I am an eccentric in the mode of Hunter S.Thompson, not Polly Priss the president of the prudes of BC club. Currently I am in the middle of the bush where I grew up in NWOntario. Noone claimed anythign about the 'rurality' of SSurrey, just that I will be living in that way in that area. Any advice as to how to preserve/keep cool food and techniques for heating in abscence of electricity(at present it is between 5+ and 10+ celcius where I am and I have the window open and no heat on in the house...)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:00 AM

I am going to South Surrey(see BREE's post above for info on it), not Siberia. I will be establishing a farm on the land(undisclosed commercial venture)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:57 AM

I already own the land there(6.7 acre plot next to a winery and a blueberry farm). AS to the hansen gear: done and done. I intend to live in a SEACAN/shipping container as stated in the post so cost will be minimal(keep in mind I am a stoical person--see profile--). How is Van.Isle? I haven't been there for a time but it was a pleasant place...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:55 AM

It is near/surrounded by civilization. The nieghbouring farm is a bluebery farm, the other is a winery, so its not in the middle of nowhere. I am mainly interested in the logistics of living with minimal resources(electricity-substitute:wind/solar power; food: how to keep thiings cool/preserve them, etc.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:52 AM

I will be photographing/videoing everything but that is still a fe months away. Now I have a place in the middle fo NWOntario that is in process of being sold. Currently I am living in a backwater hole-in-the-wall town with minimal resources devoting my time to strength training. Shipping containers are the way to go in the 'enviro-mental' epoch...

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 05, 2011
at 12:13 AM

i saw this answer as thoughtful, honest and concerned. Maybe our initial take of just how rural he would really be living was overestimated, but it can be hard to get a garden off the ground the first year or raise animals without previous experience etc etc, it can be a risky basket to put all your eggs in. There's not much backstory here. I don't think asking the questions Jack was asking was inappropriate.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 05, 2011
at 12:03 AM

Stupid, self-centered answer. Maybe he just thinks it would be fun to do this? Who are you to substitute your value judgements for his? He didn't even say what his motivations were. If they were "have the new conveniences of modern life", perhaps you would have a case. But until then, take your negativity elsewhere.

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 04, 2011
at 11:34 PM

... that is awesome. I wish I had half the balls to do that. "Paleo" as I am, I'm reluctantly married to my modern lifestyle.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 04, 2011
at 11:30 PM

i think Jack bring up valid concerns, which are, PM may have a better time of it if he *did* try some camping and roughing it first. It can be dangerous to suddenly do this long term, particularly without a partner, or as someone else noted intelligently, a "tribe". I have been spending time in the woods as long as I can remember and there is a LOT to learn.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on May 04, 2011
at 10:13 PM

Google "homesteading" and you'll find that the OP's choice isn't as unusual / radical as you are making it out to be. The guy asked for advice, he didn't ask to be judged.

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(12379)

on May 04, 2011
at 10:08 PM

have you been to South Surrey? It's not so rural at all - and it's super expensive on the lower mainland (I live on Vancouver Island). I think that you may have a better time moving to the Fraser Valley (like Mission) or even further into the central of the province to accomplish a 'living on the land' or 'minimalist lifestyle'. I mean South Surrey is lumped in with White Rock where some of the most expensive homes in the Lower Mainland are - what I'm trying to say is there are more mercedes in South Surrey than there are heifers ;)

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on May 04, 2011
at 09:57 PM

Dude you need to video your experiences with an iclick

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 04, 2011
at 09:56 PM

Sounds like you are intentionally creating problems for yourself in the name of some twisted sort of delusion of re-enactment. And while I support what I believe may be at the root of your quest (cleansing your life of the complicated modern clutters that may have impacted human health), I can't say I agree that's it's proper to believe that the advancements and new conveniences of human life brought about by our abilities to learn and improve are all inherently unhealthy. If you have little history of camping or roughing it, why are you going to go so extreme? Are you trying to be like the guy from "Into the Wild" or something? I dunno PM. I'm into learning and understanding but being super excessive OCD about everything comes with its own trade-offs and I'm just not sure it's holds enough weight on its side of the scale.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on May 04, 2011
at 10:13 PM

Google "homesteading" and you'll find that the OP's choice isn't as unusual / radical as you are making it out to be. The guy asked for advice, he didn't ask to be judged.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 05, 2011
at 12:13 AM

i saw this answer as thoughtful, honest and concerned. Maybe our initial take of just how rural he would really be living was overestimated, but it can be hard to get a garden off the ground the first year or raise animals without previous experience etc etc, it can be a risky basket to put all your eggs in. There's not much backstory here. I don't think asking the questions Jack was asking was inappropriate.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 05, 2011
at 03:28 PM

@Jack Kronk: This is the nicest answer you've given him in a long time? Then what's your problem? And "stupid, self-centered answer" is far worse than what you wrote? Worse FOR WHAT? I wasn't attacking you for flaming him or something. I was attacking you for giving a STUPID, SELF-CENTERED ANSWER. And you don't give a rip what I think about you? Seriously, your whole response here is totally bizarre. I wasn't trying to get you to care what I think of you or something, in fact I wrote the reply without even looking at your username, like I normally do. Why not actually respond to what I wrote?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 05, 2011
at 12:03 AM

Stupid, self-centered answer. Maybe he just thinks it would be fun to do this? Who are you to substitute your value judgements for his? He didn't even say what his motivations were. If they were "have the new conveniences of modern life", perhaps you would have a case. But until then, take your negativity elsewhere.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 05, 2011
at 05:09 PM

Oh my! Wowsers. Honestly AC I don't see how my answer is self centered in any way at all. Was my answer selfish or something? I don't get it. You seriously respond without looking at who you're writing to? Por que? That is the most bizarre thing of this entire discussion so far. At any rate. You seem ticked. But before you wonder why I put that about "nice answer"... look at the history of my communications with PM before you go making assumptions. I'm sorry AC, I'm just seeing this the way you are somehow able to at this point. I feel good about what I wrote. I am a reasonably nice guy. C-ya.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:10 PM

and by the way, another point... is that what concerned me most was the opening sentence. "lifelong adventure". If he had said he's gonna try it out for a year or so, I would have answered with something closer to Dr. K's comment right underneath the question. PM seems like a pretty tough guy. He sleeps on a flat slate rock or something like that and he's pretty jacked. But I still think going to the middle of "no-where" and living in a seacan for life is a drastic and even risky move for his future lifelong health.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:06 AM

UncleLongHair and AnonCoward - This is PersonMan we are talking about here. You may not realize this, but this is like... the nicest answer I have given him in quite a while. I'm nobody's judge. This is a question/answer site. I provided the answer I wanted to and did not use flaming remarks. "Stupid, self-centered answer" is far worse than what I wrote. You can think what you want about me. I don't give a rip.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 05, 2011
at 05:25 PM

AC - you must have one of the highest downvote to upvote ratios on all of PH. nice job there.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 04, 2011
at 11:30 PM

i think Jack bring up valid concerns, which are, PM may have a better time of it if he *did* try some camping and roughing it first. It can be dangerous to suddenly do this long term, particularly without a partner, or as someone else noted intelligently, a "tribe". I have been spending time in the woods as long as I can remember and there is a LOT to learn.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:00 AM

I am going to South Surrey(see BREE's post above for info on it), not Siberia. I will be establishing a farm on the land(undisclosed commercial venture)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:56 PM

Hey kids, chillax! We're all (internet) friends here.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 07, 2011
at 06:40 AM

Anon - get to know the history of PersonMan's posts or shut the heck up.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:03 AM

@Jack Kronk: It's self-centered because you assumed he had the same goals as you. How's it a DELUSION of re-enactment if he truly finds re-enactment (whatever that is) fun? How is it OCD rather than just what he's interested in? OCD has a negative connotation. What's he doing that's OCD? Is what he's doing bad from the point of view of HIS goals, or are you just gonna be presumptuous and self-centered and assume that YOUR goals are HIS? In short, you have no basis for criticizing his decision until you ask him what he's trying to do by going out there... it could just be for fun. What then?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:00 AM

@Jack Kronk: Yeah, often I don't look at the username before responding, and that's to avoid the variety of cognitive biases that result from, well, knowing who you're talking to. When I wrote that, I couldn't care less who you were; I was just giving my opinion on your answer. Your answer, not your character.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 08, 2011
at 12:26 AM

@Jack Kronk: Why?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:04 AM

@Jack Kronk: Yeah, I pride myself in my downvote to upvote ratio. Thanks for the encouragement, pal.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:14 PM

vive la difference !

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(12379)

on May 04, 2011
at 10:08 PM

have you been to South Surrey? It's not so rural at all - and it's super expensive on the lower mainland (I live on Vancouver Island). I think that you may have a better time moving to the Fraser Valley (like Mission) or even further into the central of the province to accomplish a 'living on the land' or 'minimalist lifestyle'. I mean South Surrey is lumped in with White Rock where some of the most expensive homes in the Lower Mainland (Vancouver Area) are - what I'm trying to say is there are more mercedes in South Surrey than there are heifers ;)

EDIT: The City of Surrey BC has a population of 400,000 people and the city centre of South Surrey has a population of roughly 54,000 people. It's fairly densly populated (my father-in-law lives in Surrey, so we're there quite often). Surrey has malls, sky-scrapers, multi-laned highways. There is a small rural portion of South Surrey, but I think it's very small.

And when you say a lot of rain - you really have to understand what that is! I have lived on the west-coast my whole life, and a lot of people can't handle the rain and the cloudy weather all winter - I know a lot of people invest in SAD lamps in order to kick up their moods, but since you wont be having electricity, I wouldn't know what to suggest - other than investing in some good quality helly hansen gear and good rain boots.

There is another paleohacker on here 'missionman' who is from the lower mainland - I would be interested in seeing what he thinks - hopefully he replies to you!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 05, 2011
at 01:57 AM

I already own the land there(6.7 acre plot next to a winery and a blueberry farm). AS to the hansen gear: done and done. I intend to live in a SEACAN/shipping container as stated in the post so cost will be minimal(keep in mind I am a stoical person--see profile--). How is Van.Isle? I haven't been there for a time but it was a pleasant place...

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on May 05, 2011
at 04:54 PM

the winery ! Now there's the draw...........

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D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

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on May 04, 2011
at 09:53 PM

Paleo man lived in tribes, so I'd get some friends to help you. Second, I'd go about practicing living in your container during weekends and then gradually extend your stay. You'll never learn what works in your container until you start doing it.

Watch Into the Wild so you can see what it's like to die alone because you don't have the skills you need or a tribe to help you live.

Start chopping firewood - life sucks when you are cold and wet. Until you get electricity and heat, you'll probably need so much wood that you won't have time to do much else.

Hopefully your land has a pond/lake/stream or the soil is capable of having a pond. If it has a pond/lake, stock it with fish.

You'll need many different skills for each season and probably won't master them until you've been doing this for about 4 or 5 years.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 01:55 AM

It is near/surrounded by civilization. The nieghbouring farm is a bluebery farm, the other is a winery, so its not in the middle of nowhere. I am mainly interested in the logistics of living with minimal resources(electricity-substitute:wind/solar power; food: how to keep thiings cool/preserve them, etc.

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:31 PM

Personman, this takes some cajones to do! So congratulations on having said cajones. Not having any expertise in this area, I would still advise a couple things:

  1. Be safe. You seem to be an experimenter who thrives on questioning things, but the most important thing is your health. Make sure you have sufficient medical supplies for a range of problems, plans in case of emergency, etc.

  2. Think about eventually building a little natural home, as seen in this thread: http://paleohacks.com/questions/25901/do-you-have-a-boring-office-job#axzz1LU7W9Pve

Good luck!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on May 05, 2011
at 03:53 PM

Oh I see, that makes sense. Natural houses are also more difficult insulation-wise up north. I'm not sure I'll ever call myself a nutritionist, but I'm slowly churning throught the PhD. Too bad my thesis can't just be "Paleo: Why it's So Cool".

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 03:29 PM

Hey Kamal...R U a nutritionist yet? I am not much for straw houses lest the big bad wolf be-a-comin', hence the metal-box style house which I will be converting into a gym and will live amidst the equipment.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 05, 2011
at 04:55 PM

Haha Kamal. I would totally get behind that thesis.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 10:24 PM

Thesis, antithesis and...synthesis...

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on May 04, 2011
at 11:10 PM

I have to agree with Bree. I am from Vancouver and S Surrey isn't rural. There may be a few farms, but even if all you want to do is rent a piece of land to put your container on, it most likely wont be found in the Surrey area on a frugal budget. I also dont think there are too many people that will let you put a container on their land to live in. I think you would be better in South Central BC. You will find more options for rural living, better weather, more paleo animals and organic produce. Good luck!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 05, 2011
at 02:03 AM

I already own the land and care little what the BC snoots think of my lifestyle(I am an eccentric in the mode of Hunter S.Thompson, not Polly Priss the president of the prudes of BC club. Currently I am in the middle of the bush where I grew up in NWOntario. Noone claimed anythign about the 'rurality' of SSurrey, just that I will be living in that way in that area. Any advice as to how to preserve/keep cool food and techniques for heating in abscence of electricity(at present it is between 5+ and 10+ celcius where I am and I have the window open and no heat on in the house...)

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on May 05, 2011
at 04:57 PM

As a Stoic, you'll soon be back to nature

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on May 05, 2011
at 02:14 PM

I did this about a decade ago, moved out to the middle of a desert with an old ford bus. I lived just fine.

Over the years, I've slowly added things back into my life, solar power, wind power, satellite internet, running water, hot water, a nice house, wife, kids, etc. (not necessarily in that order).

It is not as hard or dangerous as people would have you believe. You always have the backup of going into town for supplies and/or support, if needed.

A few suggestions: start small, small house, small power system, rain catchment (no wells). If you've got your basic shelter figured out, then get your water system going. Rain catchment is ideal. I currently have 8,000 gallons of rain catchment, and it serves us well. You could start with a 1,000 gallon tank, and learn to be conservative.

After water, get a simple power system going. You can charge batteries and stuff from a vehicle, but I'd suggest a small solar setup. You can get a solar kit, like 45 watts for $200. Learn the basic of battery maintenance before going with a bigger system.

You also need to worry about waste. Shitting in the woods gets old, and can pose a problem. Research sawdust/compost toilets, and read the Humanure Handbook. Build a composting toilet before you even leave.

Good luck to you, and feel free to contact me for more advice: http://www.velacreations.com

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on May 05, 2011
at 03:16 PM

Thanks for the info. I will be on farmland but not too far off the beatne track(for better or worse). I'll be sure to check your website and have copied/pasted your suggestions into a notepad file to be printed/read/researched.

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on May 05, 2011
at 12:47 AM

Get all 12 volumes of the Foxfire books and start reading.

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on May 05, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Done and Done. Any links or should I try a torrent site?

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on May 05, 2011
at 11:03 AM

Google Ray Mears

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on May 05, 2011
at 01:00 AM

Make sure you get a good solar battery charger so you can power some kind of device that lets you log onto PaleoHacks!

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on May 05, 2011
at 02:11 AM

I'll need it brother...do you know if generators are a good option and if there exist those that don't use gas?

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on May 05, 2011
at 12:31 AM

ideas:

lots of firewood was a great suggestion. you will need a lot of it with no indoor fuel source. i saw something on the side of the road once that was so simple but it still blew my mind. maybe its more popular than i realize, but the old timer had his chopped firewood stacked standing vertically, instead of laying flat. as wood fibers run lengthwise, it should make them drain of water and dry much faster and more effectively.

maybe consider building an outdoor fire pit where you can cook and covering it with a ventilating roof so you can cook in the rain. Solar ovens are cool too. I'd consider some form of underground food storage to maximize the natural insulating properties of the ground. Chickens or ducks are handy egg layers. To keep them fed nicely in a wet climate, put some boards on the ground, after a few days lift them up and you should have some good grubs and worms at the surface for your girls. Rabbits are supposedly good for quickly maturing protein, but they're super almost too lean. Goats will eat your veg scraps and give you milk. They are also adorable jerks and will keep you company.

You will likely have bears and a few other predators in BC, so keep that under consideration, particularly when it comes to keeping chickens safe from foxes and whatnot. Its amazing how persistent they can be, and when they kill chickens, its not just one, it can be all of them. Lastly, if you're gonna be doing work on this shipping container, get a tetanus shot.

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on May 05, 2011
at 05:04 AM

One egg per chicken per day. Are you for real? You don't even know how many eggs one gets from a chicken, but are going to live off the grid in a shipping container? Have you made plans for after the local building inspector/health dept quarantines the place? Snobs have their ways of keeping out gypsies and clowns.

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on May 05, 2011
at 02:36 AM

been to BC but no, i don't live there. depends on the chicken adn the time of year... ducks are supposed to be pretty good consisent layers actually. I hear fancy chicken breeds are sometimes less productive. I'd also recommend watching "Escape to River Cottage" on Amazon. Hugh FW is awesome and he becomes a "smallholder" and has some enlightening and entertaining adventures. You have to pay to watch it though, haven't seen it elsewhere except Brit format dvd. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00127ZU1Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=digital-video&qid=1304562942&sr=8-1

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on May 05, 2011
at 02:08 AM

Thanks for the info. I was thinking of a rabbitry and goats as well. Are you from BC? Do you know if the Serpentine river can be fished from(a naive question I know...). How many eggs would a chicken lay in a day? Currently I am at 6 eggs per day but wouldn't mind making eggs a staple at 1-2 dozen per day and would keep a 'stock' of chickens to accomodate the dietary reqs.

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