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No milk, no soya milk ....... so what's the alternatives?

Commented on February 27, 2015
Created July 12, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Hi folks. I've moved over to a mainly Paleo diet quite recently (where possible), I did like cream or milk in my coffee (mainly decaff) and am not happy with taking it just black. So I have been using Soya milk since last December. I get that under a Paleo regime that dairy / milk is out. But now this whole soya / legume deal has me mildly worried since I've had chance to research it all (and listened to so many Rob Wolf / Sissons / Abel James Podcasts), Therefore I'm considering ditching the soya milk too, but, what to have instead? I want to stay on a low carb diet (having lost 55lbs and looking and feeling great as a result), so staying low carb is much more important to me than aiming for a "strictly" 100% Paleo diet. So, what are my realistic substitutions for milk? I live in the UK and our dairy cows / herds are nearly all grass fed BTW. Is cows milk less of an issue compared to soya? I've never suffered with intolerance to any foodstuff, but would like to give my body the best option.

cheers

Karlos

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on February 27, 2015
at 11:58 PM

Also, dump the de-caff! It's far better to have moderate amount of a decent coffee than decaff which is far worse for your health. :) 

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on February 27, 2015
at 11:58 PM

Also, dump the de-caff! It's far better to have moderate amount of a decent coffee than decaff which is far worse for your health. :) 

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on July 17, 2012
at 05:15 PM

Although I guess if "casein" is listed as an ingredient, it's processed anyway, since last I checked casein doesn't occur naturally in coconuts.

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on July 17, 2012
at 05:14 PM

Any way of figuring out if it's A1 casein or A2 casein? If it's A1, I don't care how much is in it, I'd stay far away. Especially processed casein.

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on July 13, 2012
at 03:07 PM

@Dave S. I know I am!

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on July 13, 2012
at 02:46 PM

Coconut milk beats almond milk with a stick.

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on July 13, 2012
at 02:45 PM

What!?? Nobody mentioned bulletproof coffee?? Just tried some for the first time. I might be addicted already.

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on July 13, 2012
at 02:18 PM

Have you considered drinking coffee black? I do. Coffee has a complex flavor. Depending on the type it may have a nutty, buttery, or even peppery flavor. Most people make their coffee too strong, because they put so much cream & sugar in the flavor wouldn't come through otherwise (that's why black Starbuck's coffee is battery acid strong). Try getting a GOOD brand of coffee, back off a little on how much you used to make a pot, and try appreciating the coffee's flavor on their own.

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on July 13, 2012
at 02:03 PM

I don't drink milk (although I never did much previously anyway), but I do consume a lot of dairy products(cheese, heavy cream, sour cream, etc...) From a purely weight loss standpoint, these items are all low in carbs and very filling. I'm sure you know some people have problems with dairy, and some don't. IF you can tolerate them, then you may want to consider adding them back into your diet.

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on July 13, 2012
at 12:17 PM

I agree, I use coconut milk for my coffee and lattes and it adds a nice flavor as well. Enjoy!

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on July 13, 2012
at 02:40 AM

What concerns me is that Karlos wants to stay low-carb/ lose weight, pretty much all caloric beverages have lots of sugar in them. Unless you drinking straight coconut milk, nothing added, you gonna be drinking sugar. He should avoid stunting his weight loss right? But that actually makes me realize, probably his best bet is BONE BROTH!

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on July 13, 2012
at 02:38 AM

Fair enough. I meant caloric beverages. And very true. If someone WANTS calories, then drinking them is an easy way. However, have you ever heard the recommendation not to drink your calories?

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on July 13, 2012
at 02:30 AM

Except water, tea, carbonated water, etc., are all beverages. Sometimes those "unnecessary calories" are necessary.

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on July 13, 2012
at 12:12 AM

I do alternate ....dairy to coconut and back. I like to mix it up.

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on July 13, 2012
at 12:11 AM

I'm def more primal...I've made my peace with heavy cream, raw milk, and any fermented or cultured high quality dairy.

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on July 12, 2012
at 11:35 PM

I don't understand everyone's fear of o6s. They're honestly not nearly as bad as you think, even in significant amounts, unless they're coming from processed crap. If you're eating healthy and consuming seafood regularly, I wouldn't even worry about your o3:o6 ratio.

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on July 12, 2012
at 10:52 PM

And I would add, stay away from the super processed stuff (the different creamers and whatnot...processed crap is processed crap)

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:42 PM

Ps...congrats on the great weight loss and health gain!

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:36 PM

In theory I like almond milk and since there's not very much total fat, the 06:03 ratio doesn't concern me. But so many almond milk brands have additives like carrageenan, gums, and a-tocopherol. If you make your own I think that's fine (and much tastier).

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:35 PM

Amen! Sanity and enjoyment are extremely important.

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:14 PM

Cow milk should be avoided not because "not paleo" but because, regardless personal reactions to lactosium, raises the PH and it decreases the calcium.

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:00 PM

bad o6:o3 ratio afaik.

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on July 12, 2012
at 08:56 PM

Ditch the soya completely. My family and I consume some dairy: raw cheese, kefir, butter, and occasionally cream, all from pastured cows. Coconut milk will give you the creaminess that dairy cream provides if you do want to eliminate dairy.

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Afc0b8e755ac7cdde6b517fdadb50026

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on July 12, 2012
at 08:49 PM

almond milk.....

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:00 PM

bad o6:o3 ratio afaik.

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(5150)

on July 12, 2012
at 11:35 PM

I don't understand everyone's fear of o6s. They're honestly not nearly as bad as you think, even in significant amounts, unless they're coming from processed crap. If you're eating healthy and consuming seafood regularly, I wouldn't even worry about your o3:o6 ratio.

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(12682)

on July 12, 2012
at 09:36 PM

In theory I like almond milk and since there's not very much total fat, the 06:03 ratio doesn't concern me. But so many almond milk brands have additives like carrageenan, gums, and a-tocopherol. If you make your own I think that's fine (and much tastier).

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on July 13, 2012
at 02:46 PM

Coconut milk beats almond milk with a stick.

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:04 PM

I'd go with heavy cream if you don't have an autoimmune issue or a problem with it. Sometimes it's better to stay sane and enjoy life and not be soooo rigid. I'm thinking more Primal. I'm just happier with a little dairy!

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on July 13, 2012
at 12:11 AM

I'm def more primal...I've made my peace with heavy cream, raw milk, and any fermented or cultured high quality dairy.

11b7b7ba720a5cd43c74a0ef99a16adb

(3448)

on July 13, 2012
at 02:03 PM

I don't drink milk (although I never did much previously anyway), but I do consume a lot of dairy products(cheese, heavy cream, sour cream, etc...) From a purely weight loss standpoint, these items are all low in carbs and very filling. I'm sure you know some people have problems with dairy, and some don't. IF you can tolerate them, then you may want to consider adding them back into your diet.

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(3501)

on July 12, 2012
at 09:35 PM

Amen! Sanity and enjoyment are extremely important.

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:41 PM

Dear God! If you have access to heavy cream from truly happy grassfed cows then go for it! (provided it doesn't bother your innerds) Life is meant to be enjoyed and savored...don't drive yourself nuts with constanty asking yourself if things are "paleo" or not. Obviously follow the main components of this way of eating (no grain, legumes, processed foods, processed sugar, etc.) but do allow yourself to know what is sustainable for you. If you do an elimination diet (whole 30 or something like that) and find dairy does I deed mess you up then you know what to do...but if not, enjoy it! I guarantee you that THAT won't be what kills you..(unless of course a cow sits on you or something). Enjoy your coffee!

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on July 12, 2012
at 10:52 PM

And I would add, stay away from the super processed stuff (the different creamers and whatnot...processed crap is processed crap)

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:42 PM

Ps...congrats on the great weight loss and health gain!

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:06 PM

To summarize: Cream (from a cow or goat), coconut milk, almond milk (but you have to make it yourself because the stuff they sell in the store has yuck in it.)

If you were doing well with the cream then go back to that.

Oh and congratulations on such a great job with the weight loss! I started LC too and moved on the paleo. Lots of us do. Good luck with the continuation of your journey.

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on July 12, 2012
at 08:49 PM

I'd go with coconut milk.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on July 13, 2012
at 12:12 AM

I do alternate ....dairy to coconut and back. I like to mix it up.

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:01 PM

If you tolerate milk it's fine. The reason most people cut it out is that many are casein or lactose intolerant.

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:00 PM

Cow's milk/cream. If you don't react badly to it, there's no reason to stay away just because it's "not paleo."

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:14 PM

Cow milk should be avoided not because "not paleo" but because, regardless personal reactions to lactosium, raises the PH and it decreases the calcium.

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:03 PM

Goya?? Coconut Milk, is the one with no additives or gums

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on July 13, 2012
at 12:52 AM

I seem to get by with a combo of coconut, almond milk, goats milk, and heavy cream.

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on November 10, 2012
at 10:29 PM

You can buy hemp milk in the UK if you want an alternative to coconut milk. Afaik, it has a better o3:o6 profile than almond.

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on July 13, 2012
at 11:55 AM

I am using coconut milk right now because I am doing an experiment on myself, but up til now I just used a bit of goat's milk (my goat's milk) in my coffee. However, I wouldn't recommend using store-bought goats milk in coffee. It is right nasty. Other than that a little dab of cow's milk won't hurt you. It's only like a tblspn or 2.

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on July 13, 2012
at 01:57 AM

I found something called coconut cream powder. It has casein as an ingredient, but it's not a lot. The main ingredient is coconut. I brought it to work to store in my office. I tried it out today. It's not bad. I think real heavy cream is the best option, though.

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on July 17, 2012
at 05:14 PM

Any way of figuring out if it's A1 casein or A2 casein? If it's A1, I don't care how much is in it, I'd stay far away. Especially processed casein.

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on July 17, 2012
at 05:15 PM

Although I guess if "casein" is listed as an ingredient, it's processed anyway, since last I checked casein doesn't occur naturally in coconuts.

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on July 13, 2012
at 01:38 AM

No beverage at all? I don't mean to be blunt, but I get this question ALL the time. This isn't a paleo exactness thing. (paleo's didn't have beverages, maybe blood?) Why must we have a beverage? Extra unnecessary calories... Go with water, tea, carbonated water, etc. Stick to whole foods.

*Caloric beverages

On second thought, bone broth is great!

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on July 13, 2012
at 02:30 AM

Except water, tea, carbonated water, etc., are all beverages. Sometimes those "unnecessary calories" are necessary.

361e96d70d6d3b91d63f6ad975e60ab6

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on July 13, 2012
at 02:38 AM

Fair enough. I meant caloric beverages. And very true. If someone WANTS calories, then drinking them is an easy way. However, have you ever heard the recommendation not to drink your calories?

361e96d70d6d3b91d63f6ad975e60ab6

(840)

on July 13, 2012
at 02:40 AM

What concerns me is that Karlos wants to stay low-carb/ lose weight, pretty much all caloric beverages have lots of sugar in them. Unless you drinking straight coconut milk, nothing added, you gonna be drinking sugar. He should avoid stunting his weight loss right? But that actually makes me realize, probably his best bet is BONE BROTH!

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on July 13, 2012
at 12:39 AM

Homemade kefir grains.

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on July 12, 2012
at 11:37 PM

Stay away from coconut milk with SODIUM METABISULFITE.

I never had a problem before with any particular preservative in foods when I was eating SAD, but after consuming a coconut milk (which I also tolerate well) with sodium metabisulfite, it made me think I was going to literally die for a few hours.

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on July 12, 2012
at 11:18 PM

I use heavy cream from pastured cows, but coconut milk/cream isn't a bad option either.

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on July 12, 2012
at 09:34 PM

so delicious has a coconut creamer (the original flavor has no added sugar) its thick and creamy and a great substitute ...and i loooove half and half.

http://www.sodeliciousdairyfree.com/products/coconut-milk-creamers

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