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Milk or soy milk

Commented on February 18, 2014
Created February 16, 2014 at 3:34 AM

I love getting the green tea lattes from Starbucks I get no sweetener and extra matcha but idk which is closest to paleo whole milk, 2% or soy

47cbd166d262925037bc6f9a9265eb20

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on February 18, 2014
at 07:45 AM

Is there a brand of liquid minerals you can suggest ? I also wonder how rock/Himalayan salt use compares for that.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on February 17, 2014
at 09:47 PM

Yeah, a squirt of liquid minerals a day does the trick.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on February 17, 2014
at 09:47 PM

Uh, that's bad.

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on February 17, 2014
at 08:41 PM

Also, there is an even greater risk to drinking demineralized water such as RO (unless of course you remineralize it) than the fluoride. It wrecks havoc on the body particularly the adrenals, by sapping us of our minerals, or something to that effect. There is plenty of info out there on the dangers of de-mineralized water. The World Health Organization published a major and well-respected long-term study on it.

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on February 17, 2014
at 08:41 PM

Also, there is an even greater risk to drinking demineralized water such as RO (unless of course you remineralize it) than the fluoride. It wrecks havoc on the body particularly the adrenals, by sapping us of our minerals, or something to that effect. There is plenty of info out there on the dangers of de-mineralized water. The World Health Organization published a major and well-respected long-term study on it.

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on February 17, 2014
at 08:40 PM

Love your answer. Just wanna note: RO apparently doesn't filter fluoride very effectively—I know I was surprised too, but this guy David Getoff (look him up), who is pretty gung-ho about water, tested his RO water to make sure it was filtering fluoride and lo and behold... Apparently the only filtration method that he's found to filter appreciable amounts of flouride is bone char filters (that sounds pretty paleo ;) ).

47cbd166d262925037bc6f9a9265eb20

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on February 17, 2014
at 07:51 PM

The milk in different brands may be coming from different breeds or in different proportions from the same breeds. There are many breeds with vastly different A1/A2 ratios. For example Milka's milk is not A2 but a big proportion of it is A2, unlike common Holstein milk. Also, heat processing releases BCM-7, so less heat processed is thought to be healthier about it.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on February 17, 2014
at 02:00 PM

Or, you know, you could buy the premade stuff in cans, that's what I do. Sure, they have metabisulfites and other shyte, but once you find a brand that you don't react to, go for it.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on February 17, 2014
at 01:59 PM

I tried to make almond milk from raw almonds once and got sick. I suspect that it's just leeching the antinurients into the water the same way as they'd leech out in the water beans are soaked in. Meh, I'd rather just eat the left over almonds after roasting.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on February 17, 2014
at 01:57 PM

Granted. I tolerate whey protein just fine, whether from grassfed or CAFO cows, so it's not the whey. I tolerate lactose just fine. Cheese is high in casein and I have reactions to cow's cheese, whether raw, or pasteurized or organic or CAFO. (The words casein and cheese are both derived from the same root.) The most likely culprit is the casein. There are times when I can tolerate high quality ice creams such as Haagen Dazs or Talenti Gellato, and times when I cannot - these are made with milk, so it's not always the milk.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on February 17, 2014
at 03:07 AM

no clue. I guess the better question would be milk/dollars/100g raw product. My guess is that almonds would win that because almonds are so cheap.

But coconut water has become so popular, that manufacturers can make coconut water, coconut milk, coconut flakes, coconut flour, etc without waste. Once you make almond milk the remains are worthless.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on February 17, 2014
at 03:01 AM

thx CDone, i stand corrected (never made any milks myself).

would coconuts give you the most milk in terms of calories for the same weight of raw product

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on February 17, 2014
at 02:50 AM

almonds, water, vitamix = almond milk

Coocnut milk is a bitch. soak meat in water, squeeeze, rince repeate.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on February 17, 2014
at 02:46 AM

yep.

coconut milk would probably be the easiest to make (i am guessing) of the non-real-milks. trying to get 'milk' out of almonds, hazelnuts, rice etc just seems a bit wrong to me...

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on February 17, 2014
at 02:06 AM

its a funny line... of course most paleos will recommend coconut or almond milk -- but there are no udders there either...

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on February 16, 2014
at 11:35 PM

"I've not found a source of A2 cow's milk, but I'm certain I could tolerate it..."

that would be an interesting test, if you ever find some A2 cows milk & try it, post up your findings...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 16, 2014
at 04:52 PM

More "hypothesis" papers… the science isn't there.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 16, 2014
at 04:46 PM

There's more to milk than just casein.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 16, 2014
at 04:45 PM

A hypothesis paper that links BCM7 to EVERYTHING. That's should set off your BS science alarms.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on February 16, 2014
at 01:49 PM

Untrue. I for one have an allergic reaction to cow casein, but not goat/sheep/buffalo. Doesn't matter if it's in the form of milk, cheese, yogurt, or kefir, or even if the cow was grassfed and the milk was raw.

I've not found a source of A2 cow's milk, but I'm certain I could tolerate it based on the fact that goat/sheep/buffalo casein are closer to A2 than A1.

I have zero issues with lactose, I can easily consume goat's milk, for example.

47cbd166d262925037bc6f9a9265eb20

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on February 16, 2014
at 01:49 PM

I disagree. Have you read "The Devil In The Milk" ? I've just read some papers which "try" to oppose it in my view, but I think there's more supporting it and my own experiences tell me there's a "huge" difference. Here's an example:

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF03195213

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 16, 2014
at 01:35 PM

Differences between A1 and A2 milk are purely academic. There's no consequence for we humans who consume it. It was a marketing ploy by farmers who had A2 cattle.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on February 16, 2014
at 02:00 PM

If gluten is Satan's excrement (word play on seitan), then soy milk is his urine.

While dairy is not paleo, some people tolerate it. If you do, by all means, enjoy it. I'd opt for heavy cream if at all possible, though conventional heavy cream is made with thickeners such as caragenan.

Ideally, I'd use coconut milk instead, but good luck trying to get Harbucks to provide it. Maybe you could bring your own.

Though to be honest, I question the idea of paying $5 for a grade tea, which is really just hot tap water (without removal of the fluoride, chloramines and possible heavy metals), CAFO milk, and a $0.05 teabag.

You could always boil your own RO filtered water, drop in a teabag, and add your choice of cream to a large thermos style stainless steel mug and bring it with you, no? It would literally take you 5 minutes to make such a thing in the morning.

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on February 17, 2014
at 08:41 PM

Also, there is an even greater risk to drinking demineralized water such as RO (unless of course you remineralize it) than the fluoride. It wrecks havoc on the body particularly the adrenals, by sapping us of our minerals, or something to that effect. There is plenty of info out there on the dangers of de-mineralized water. The World Health Organization published a major and well-respected long-term study on it.

Medium avatar

(18)

on February 17, 2014
at 08:40 PM

Love your answer. Just wanna note: RO apparently doesn't filter fluoride very effectively—I know I was surprised too, but this guy David Getoff (look him up), who is pretty gung-ho about water, tested his RO water to make sure it was filtering fluoride and lo and behold... Apparently the only filtration method that he's found to filter appreciable amounts of flouride is bone char filters (that sounds pretty paleo ;) ).

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47cbd166d262925037bc6f9a9265eb20

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on February 16, 2014
at 09:48 AM

The best option would be clean raw whole grass fed and finished A2 milk. Any soy milk and any kind of A1 pasteurized milk are not good enough to not give up on.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 16, 2014
at 01:35 PM

Differences between A1 and A2 milk are purely academic. There's no consequence for we humans who consume it. It was a marketing ploy by farmers who had A2 cattle.

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543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on February 16, 2014
at 04:58 AM

whole milk.

(have you ever tried finding the udders on a soy bean)

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on February 17, 2014
at 02:06 AM

its a funny line... of course most paleos will recommend coconut or almond milk -- but there are no udders there either...

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