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Do other species drink foreign milk? Were we stronger and healthier pre-agriculture?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM

"No species on Earth drinks the milk from another species, except humans (of some agrarian cultures). How did humans survive, even stronger and healthier, before the agrarian revolution?"

I just read this. And asked myself, is this true? I know ants drink the milky substance from lice. Cats drink milk. Also there are stories about animals raised by mothers from a different species.

Do you have some data on animal drinking milk from another species? I want to get clear on this vegan/ vegetarian argument.

There are still new species discovered every year...so what do we know? here is a sneaky answer to this topic. Some animals like seagulls are watched stealing elephants' milk... http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/latest-questions/question/2863/

The second topic. How Humans surived stronger before the agrarian revolution? There were several agrarian revolutions?

One was called the green revolution in the 1960s' where the chemical fertilizers were used massively. Probably she means the agrarian revolution in the paleolithic time. Were the people healthier? A lot of healthy and fit people from India and China who are doing agriculture are very fit and healthy.

Probably she means the big scale agriculture. Such people often support Permaculture and Forest Gerdening. And don't like Big scale Agriculture, even organic. A mixture of hunter gather culture and permaculture is a good utopia for them.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

but then how does this explain the fact that many people, even entire cultures, thrive on milk and milk based foods. sure some people have issues with milk, but the correlation factors that would have to be included are incredibly numerous before you could determine causation. so if 'john smith' has digestive problems with cow's milk, it may very well be because 'john smith' personally has other physiological issues that are the cause, and that repairing or addressing those issues would reverse his problem with cow's milk, indicating that it was never actually the milk that was the problem.

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on May 23, 2013
at 03:08 PM

How Neolithic can you get?

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on May 23, 2013
at 03:06 PM

And our hands are meant to do what? What about our brains? Is a cow's liver or a rice plant MEANT to feed us? We eat what we can digest. We're opportunistic omnivores. We are not algae.

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on May 23, 2013
at 02:58 PM

It's not a good thing the deer did to my roses yesterday. Surrounded by millions of native plants, they single out the ones I care about for destruction.

006f2e9b763058ff2332681c206563e4

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on May 23, 2013
at 09:18 AM

this comment is pure BS, sorry to say. milk and meat are totally incomparably! you cannot say 'if i can have a i must have b', because there is no connection just because its both natural. milk has lactose, casein, hormones etc. and this isn't made for mankind.

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

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on May 23, 2013
at 04:42 AM

You really made a good point. Thanks.

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on October 22, 2012
at 02:47 PM

This inspires me to raise a hen so I can steal its EGGGGGS.

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on October 22, 2012
at 02:44 PM

Optimal doesn't always equal what our ancestors ate.

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on October 22, 2012
at 02:41 PM

Oysters are optimal. You eat the whole animal in a bite or two. You don't even have to chew.

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on October 22, 2012
at 02:40 PM

This is worth a downvote. I love it. Go for the record!

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:28 PM

Just because we don't do something well doesn't mean it's not an amazing achievement! ;)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:18 PM

Driving cars isnt the best example. 2nd biggest cause of death. Your second example was better :P

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:17 PM

INNANE moral VEGAN RAMBLINGS on a website THAT IS ENTIRELY PRO-ANIMAL FOOD IS ONE THING but writing it in all in CAPITALS is another thing ALTOGTHER.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:12 PM

Use goats milk then. Whatever...

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on September 14, 2012
at 06:57 PM

we shouldn't be doing those things either

E791387b2829c660292308092dc3ca9b

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on September 14, 2012
at 04:46 PM

A lot of cats and dogs are allergic to milk and they wouldn't be drinking it unless a human gave it to them. Cows eat corn but they aren't supposed to and it will eventually kill them. Just because you can find an animal doing something unnatural doesn't mean it's a good thing.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on July 26, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Well my Supra Turbo sucks faster than a $20 hooker on a Navy ship. But Supra is King of the road. Is that Paleo? lol.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

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on July 26, 2011
at 08:11 PM

I live in the mountains. When I buy a home, I'm gunning for that mountain well-water and enough land to start a family garden. I also want to learn how to hunt for deer. NC just passed a cross-bow law where you don't need a handi-cap to get one like in other states. I also like to fish. I have a Vespa scooter that gets 90 MPG. It's all hydroelectric power in my area. No coal.

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on July 26, 2011
at 07:53 PM

Bambam your obstinance is admirable. Paleo-Calvinist? I don't even think about where I get my calcium. I think more about whether someone can be paleo if they live in a city, or drive/ride in a car, because this violates the paleo principle down to the roots. If you eat the strictest paleo diet yet live a neo lifestyle you miss the main benefit. I'm more of a Paleo-Fundamentalist.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

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on July 26, 2011
at 07:41 PM

I understand your rationale so if it works for you, stick with it. However my concern is with the metabolic wastes like caseomorphins. An organic milk or a raw milk does nothing to reduce or eliminate the casein. Raw milk just increases the bioavailability of the calcium because when you pasteurize milk the calcium phosphate found naturally in milk forms a high amount of precipitate that cannot be absorbed. I look to plants for my calcium.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on July 26, 2011
at 06:46 PM

"Thrive" is a loose word, and I left it that way intentionally. I am not trying to provide studies and data here. I have a hard time believing many studies and data anyway. I am talking observatorily. (that's the best "Palin" impersonation I can muster)

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on July 26, 2011
at 06:45 PM

BB you're correct in all regards. I just don't think pinning these problems on "milk" in general is accurate. What I am saying is simple that I have seen and read and heard enough to believe that quality oganic (and preferrably grass fed) whole milk and derivatives of it definitely, without question, nourish people very well in many regards, from butter to ghee to yogurt to milk to whey to cheese etc etc.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

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on July 26, 2011
at 06:08 PM

"Entire cultures thrive on milk and milk based foods"--Jack my friend this is a very broad claim. Despite the rise in dairy consumption in the US, there is no corresponding fall in degenerative disease rates. What do you mean by thrive? What indicators are you using and how could you link them to dairy consumption? The US is overweight, obese, diabetic and riddled with chronic disease and poor health status.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on July 26, 2011
at 04:27 PM

"perhaps" is not enough for me. personally, i believe milk and milk products like butter and ghee etc can be part of a healthy diet.

4e184df9c1ed38f61febc5d6cf031921

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on July 26, 2011
at 04:01 PM

Your points are interesting JK but nevertheless, mammals other than humans stop drinking milk when weaned. OK - we can give milk to cats which will lap it up, or butter milk to pigs - or biscuits to dogs. But naturally, when eating solids, other mammals don't go back to milk. Perhaps we would be better doing the same?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on July 26, 2011
at 03:55 PM

i think these questions are paramount to consider before we put cow's milk in the dog house. millions of humans do exceedingly well on quality, whole, healthy, fresh cow's milk. that fact should not be ignored just because millions of other humans have issues with milk because of a multitude of reasons like I mentioned above.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:53 PM

there are so many factors that were not chosen by each person, but by variables that were "out of their hands". stuff like... what was the parents diet like at conception and during pregnancy? did the child breastfeed? what was mama eating during the breasfeeding stage. did mama give the baby soy formula with a bunch of crap in it? (just have a 5 second glance at the back of those formulas in the stores. It's CRIMINAL!) also stuff like... what kind of milk and how is the quality? is it low fat homogenzied ultra pasteurized?

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on July 26, 2011
at 03:43 PM

1] a pig has 12 teats instead of an efficient 4 like all the animals we milk, 2]it's very difficult to bottle feed and care for a litter of 8+ piglets, very different than handling one calf or two lambs/goats 4]they are very close to the ground which makes accessing them difficult 5]they tend to be aggressive when they have a litter... among other reasons. It would be easier to milk most dogs than it would be to milk a pig. Ruminants are really the only way to go!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 26, 2011
at 10:06 AM

interesting question. why ? maybe one day we will....

4e184df9c1ed38f61febc5d6cf031921

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on July 26, 2011
at 08:32 AM

I'd go with your stance here. Basically, any mammal is designed to feed off milk until it is grown up enough to be weaned and find other sources of food. Why should humans be different?

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on July 26, 2011
at 07:50 AM

Natural doesn't always equal optimal.

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on July 26, 2011
at 02:46 AM

Tell the next vegan you see that you're donating a gallon of 2% milk to the future veal farmers of America.

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on July 26, 2011
at 02:40 AM

Which was of more importance? I think the milk was, because it was sustainable. And if you use that milk to raise tasty veal, well there's nothing species-inappropriate about that use of milk.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 26, 2011
at 01:36 AM

Yeah how is cutting into and eating muscles any more appropriate than drinking it's milk?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 26, 2011
at 01:35 AM

Why don't we drink pig milk by the way? Honestly, wonder why

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 26, 2011
at 01:34 AM

I have to say that one part of me has long thought about what you're getting at: how much more "natural" or "species appropriate" is cutting into a cow and eating it's muscles than drinking it's milk?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 13, 2011
at 12:32 AM

mth - my comment about eating the blood is not meant to represent a blanket rule about what to eat. it is simply an example of why asking the question "why do humans drink milk of another animal" is not sound thinking. if someone is allergic to milk, then obviously they shouldn't drink it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 12, 2011
at 11:37 PM

to think of it, urine is clearly a waste - we can as well ban blood (masai drink blood of their cows) on this premise of fluid resemblance

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

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on April 12, 2011
at 11:32 PM

There is a huge difference if you are allergic to something in those body fluids that is not present in the meat itself - for example lactose. I also can't imagine that urine is particularly nutritious, but hey, if we can eat the meat, we can drink the urine.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 12, 2011
at 09:45 PM

yep. I remember making a comment just like this on another thread. we can eat the blood drenched meat, but not the milk?

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 12, 2011
at 08:15 PM

If another species had the intelligence to obtain the milk from another animal, they might do it too. The fact is that humans are able to milk other animals and many humans are well nourished by cows' and goats' milk and their by products like cream, butter, ghee etc...

Also, as your question indicates, some animals do drink the milk of other animals in certain scenarios when the mother isn't around or if the mother was killed or whatever while the animal was still very young.

Maybe in 200 years there will be a certain food that many humans are nourished by that virtually nobody eats today in 2011. That doesn't necessarily make that future food a bad choice nutritionally. Vegans' 'argument' there is completely absurd. I won't even get into it.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 12, 2011
at 09:38 PM

the question for me: is there that much difference between eating an animal itself and consuming its 'body fluids'...?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 12, 2011
at 11:37 PM

to think of it, urine is clearly a waste - we can as well ban blood (masai drink blood of their cows) on this premise of fluid resemblance

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on April 12, 2011
at 11:32 PM

There is a huge difference if you are allergic to something in those body fluids that is not present in the meat itself - for example lactose. I also can't imagine that urine is particularly nutritious, but hey, if we can eat the meat, we can drink the urine.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on April 13, 2011
at 12:32 AM

mth - my comment about eating the blood is not meant to represent a blanket rule about what to eat. it is simply an example of why asking the question "why do humans drink milk of another animal" is not sound thinking. if someone is allergic to milk, then obviously they shouldn't drink it.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on April 12, 2011
at 09:45 PM

yep. I remember making a comment just like this on another thread. we can eat the blood drenched meat, but not the milk?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:36 AM

Yeah how is cutting into and eating muscles any more appropriate than drinking it's milk?

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on September 14, 2012
at 03:38 PM

No other species on earth drives cars, or can send racy text messages.... Just because others don't is not a reason for why we should not.

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on September 14, 2012
at 06:57 PM

we shouldn't be doing those things either

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on October 22, 2012
at 12:28 PM

Just because we don't do something well doesn't mean it's not an amazing achievement! ;)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:18 PM

Driving cars isnt the best example. 2nd biggest cause of death. Your second example was better :P

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:00 PM

Id say yes, definately other animals drink the milk of other species. And of course, they dont need to actually milk it.

All mammals produce milk, including grazing herbivores.

Grazing herbivores are food for hunting carnivores.

I cant see a carnivore turning its nose up at an energy and nutrient source that is an easy to ingest part of a kill, unless it was overtly poisonous. That may be what domestic cats like the stuff so much.

Also carnivorse frequently also eat the stomach, which contains whatever the animal has been eating, which also, like mothering animals, could contain milk (as would the baby animals body/metabolism).

Another mammal, frequently, and in larger quantities? Not that I can think of. But I am not sure why that is relevant to whether its optimal. Dont follow the logic of that argument.

What is that logic by the way?

1) Animals dont do it 2) Humans do

=

Its unhealthy.

We could reverse that logic, and conclude that eating horse manure is optimal, smelling each others rectums, or eating anything thats in front of you without consideration for its toxicity, or if u r currently sick. Or throwing up into your childrens mouths. Or eating grains, by chewing on stones. Or biting the heads off our mates.

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on October 22, 2012
at 02:41 PM

Oysters are optimal. You eat the whole animal in a bite or two. You don't even have to chew.

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1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

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on July 26, 2011
at 01:25 AM

why can we drink the milk of other animals which makes as much sense as eating the animal...shouldnt there be as many meat intolerant as dairy intolerant then?

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on July 26, 2011
at 02:46 AM

Tell the next vegan you see that you're donating a gallon of 2% milk to the future veal farmers of America.

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(10611)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:40 AM

Which was of more importance? I think the milk was, because it was sustainable. And if you use that milk to raise tasty veal, well there's nothing species-inappropriate about that use of milk.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:34 AM

I have to say that one part of me has long thought about what you're getting at: how much more "natural" or "species appropriate" is cutting into a cow and eating it's muscles than drinking it's milk?

006f2e9b763058ff2332681c206563e4

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on May 23, 2013
at 09:18 AM

this comment is pure BS, sorry to say. milk and meat are totally incomparably! you cannot say 'if i can have a i must have b', because there is no connection just because its both natural. milk has lactose, casein, hormones etc. and this isn't made for mankind.

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on March 14, 2013
at 12:35 PM

I don't think the fact other animals do it or not the point vegans are making, it's the fact the cow doesn't naturally produce milk throughout its whole life span. If I was to lockup a female make her pregnant then just take her baby off her so I could drink her milk then repeat the process over and over again until she does I'd be labelled a monster but its fine to do it to a cow. Who makes the norm and just because it is the norm does that make it right. I'm not saying I want to lock up some chick or anything but who are you to say that one creature is worth more then another.

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

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on May 23, 2013
at 04:42 AM

You really made a good point. Thanks.

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on July 25, 2011
at 11:25 PM

While ever popular with cats and dogs, sometimes it's easy to forget how much pigs love their milk and whey. I had no trouble finding an image of a monkey chugging a pint on Google. For scavengers like raccoons, bears, skunks and opossums whatever they find in the can is edible. Any animal would drink cow's milk. All they lack is opportunity and the skill to milk a cow.

Part 2. I have a problem with that statement too. If it is true I'd speculate that it was because they were nomadic scroungers, always on the move looking for anything that was edible.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 26, 2011
at 10:06 AM

interesting question. why ? maybe one day we will....

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on July 26, 2011
at 03:43 PM

1] a pig has 12 teats instead of an efficient 4 like all the animals we milk, 2]it's very difficult to bottle feed and care for a litter of 8+ piglets, very different than handling one calf or two lambs/goats 4]they are very close to the ground which makes accessing them difficult 5]they tend to be aggressive when they have a litter... among other reasons. It would be easier to milk most dogs than it would be to milk a pig. Ruminants are really the only way to go!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:35 AM

Why don't we drink pig milk by the way? Honestly, wonder why

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226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

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on July 25, 2011
at 09:36 PM

Mammalian milk contains similar molecules between species with the primary molecule being lactose. The content of milk between species does have enough variance to make me avoid milk. Namely, casein. It is found in small amounts in human breast milk, consumed by human infants for perhaps 2 years max. After 5 years, our levels of the enzyme lactase begin to fall while the mother cannot produce sufficient milk after 5 years.

To me it seems plausible we are biologically wired to be exposed to only small amount of casein for a short amount of time and our biochemistry evolved in concert with this small, brief exposure to casein.

Here's where I worry.

Cow's milk contains much higher casein because they are a much larger mammal than humans.

Excessive casein in the body can lead to accumulation of metabolic wastes in the form of caseomorphins. These molecules have been observed and measured. Although we cannot determine conclusively what kind of genes they trigger on or off, I'm weary that they might turn on the wrong genes and turn off the right ones.

You can take your chance but I just think it's odd for a 36 year old man to be nursing on a teet. Nursing on the teet of another species at 36 (my age), makes it a far more daunting leap of faith for me.

4e184df9c1ed38f61febc5d6cf031921

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on July 26, 2011
at 08:32 AM

I'd go with your stance here. Basically, any mammal is designed to feed off milk until it is grown up enough to be weaned and find other sources of food. Why should humans be different?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

but then how does this explain the fact that many people, even entire cultures, thrive on milk and milk based foods. sure some people have issues with milk, but the correlation factors that would have to be included are incredibly numerous before you could determine causation. so if 'john smith' has digestive problems with cow's milk, it may very well be because 'john smith' personally has other physiological issues that are the cause, and that repairing or addressing those issues would reverse his problem with cow's milk, indicating that it was never actually the milk that was the problem.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Well my Supra Turbo sucks faster than a $20 hooker on a Navy ship. But Supra is King of the road. Is that Paleo? lol.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:55 PM

i think these questions are paramount to consider before we put cow's milk in the dog house. millions of humans do exceedingly well on quality, whole, healthy, fresh cow's milk. that fact should not be ignored just because millions of other humans have issues with milk because of a multitude of reasons like I mentioned above.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:08 PM

"Entire cultures thrive on milk and milk based foods"--Jack my friend this is a very broad claim. Despite the rise in dairy consumption in the US, there is no corresponding fall in degenerative disease rates. What do you mean by thrive? What indicators are you using and how could you link them to dairy consumption? The US is overweight, obese, diabetic and riddled with chronic disease and poor health status.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:11 PM

I live in the mountains. When I buy a home, I'm gunning for that mountain well-water and enough land to start a family garden. I also want to learn how to hunt for deer. NC just passed a cross-bow law where you don't need a handi-cap to get one like in other states. I also like to fish. I have a Vespa scooter that gets 90 MPG. It's all hydroelectric power in my area. No coal.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:53 PM

there are so many factors that were not chosen by each person, but by variables that were "out of their hands". stuff like... what was the parents diet like at conception and during pregnancy? did the child breastfeed? what was mama eating during the breasfeeding stage. did mama give the baby soy formula with a bunch of crap in it? (just have a 5 second glance at the back of those formulas in the stores. It's CRIMINAL!) also stuff like... what kind of milk and how is the quality? is it low fat homogenzied ultra pasteurized?

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(10611)

on July 26, 2011
at 07:53 PM

Bambam your obstinance is admirable. Paleo-Calvinist? I don't even think about where I get my calcium. I think more about whether someone can be paleo if they live in a city, or drive/ride in a car, because this violates the paleo principle down to the roots. If you eat the strictest paleo diet yet live a neo lifestyle you miss the main benefit. I'm more of a Paleo-Fundamentalist.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:46 PM

"Thrive" is a loose word, and I left it that way intentionally. I am not trying to provide studies and data here. I have a hard time believing many studies and data anyway. I am talking observatorily. (that's the best "Palin" impersonation I can muster)

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on July 26, 2011
at 06:45 PM

BB you're correct in all regards. I just don't think pinning these problems on "milk" in general is accurate. What I am saying is simple that I have seen and read and heard enough to believe that quality oganic (and preferrably grass fed) whole milk and derivatives of it definitely, without question, nourish people very well in many regards, from butter to ghee to yogurt to milk to whey to cheese etc etc.

4e184df9c1ed38f61febc5d6cf031921

(5005)

on July 26, 2011
at 04:01 PM

Your points are interesting JK but nevertheless, mammals other than humans stop drinking milk when weaned. OK - we can give milk to cats which will lap it up, or butter milk to pigs - or biscuits to dogs. But naturally, when eating solids, other mammals don't go back to milk. Perhaps we would be better doing the same?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on July 26, 2011
at 04:27 PM

"perhaps" is not enough for me. personally, i believe milk and milk products like butter and ghee etc can be part of a healthy diet.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on July 26, 2011
at 07:41 PM

I understand your rationale so if it works for you, stick with it. However my concern is with the metabolic wastes like caseomorphins. An organic milk or a raw milk does nothing to reduce or eliminate the casein. Raw milk just increases the bioavailability of the calcium because when you pasteurize milk the calcium phosphate found naturally in milk forms a high amount of precipitate that cannot be absorbed. I look to plants for my calcium.

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:12 PM

Use goats milk then. Whatever...

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on July 25, 2011
at 09:17 PM

It's bull**, like you said ants milk aphids for honeydew and some ants ferment leafs and eat that.

Nutrients from nature are natural.

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on July 26, 2011
at 07:50 AM

Natural doesn't always equal optimal.

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on October 22, 2012
at 02:44 PM

Optimal doesn't always equal what our ancestors ate.

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on May 23, 2013
at 04:09 AM

Cows Milk is meant for their off spring, Human Milk is meant for Human infants...Bottom line...And that goes for all who give birth, Human & Animals alike...

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on May 23, 2013
at 03:06 PM

And our hands are meant to do what? What about our brains? Is a cow's liver or a rice plant MEANT to feed us? We eat what we can digest. We're opportunistic omnivores. We are not algae.

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on September 14, 2012
at 03:27 PM

I will start eating dairy only when I find some unadulterated raw dairy products then I may experiment.

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on May 23, 2013
at 03:08 PM

How Neolithic can you get?

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on September 14, 2012
at 02:55 AM

Part of the conversation missing here is actually how bad pasteurized milk is, especially for young children and the ridiculous scale on which humans use this form of milk; can even be argued this might be a form of control since it is a very expensive process which leaves farmers at the hands of big produces. Governments make sure, regardless of the lengths farmers or a co-op can go to to make sure of the safety of their raw milk, it is totally illegal to sell raw milk for consumption. Even though I agree that milk is no really designed/ideal for adult humans it is just a pity we have been sold this garbage that raw milk is unsafe and given this diabolically poor product called pasteurized milk.

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on October 22, 2012
at 09:11 AM

KILLING AND EATING AN ANIMAL IS ONE THING, INPRISINING AND STEALLING ITS MILK IS ANOTHER THING ALL TOGETHER

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on October 22, 2012
at 02:40 PM

This is worth a downvote. I love it. Go for the record!

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:17 PM

INNANE moral VEGAN RAMBLINGS on a website THAT IS ENTIRELY PRO-ANIMAL FOOD IS ONE THING but writing it in all in CAPITALS is another thing ALTOGTHER.

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on October 22, 2012
at 02:47 PM

This inspires me to raise a hen so I can steal its EGGGGGS.

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