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Cellphone Radiation - Care Factor?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 31, 2010 at 8:21 AM

Given that we've soundly established that most Paleos on this site have a pretty built-up nerd portfolio, I imagine everyone owns at least one cellphone, probably has a home wireless set-up, and all kinds of other radio-waves flinging through their personal space.

I know people who freak out when they see people with mobile phones pressed against their heads. These people also turn pale and quivery when they have to walk into a room containing an operating microwave.

Does anyone feel that the radiation fears are a legitimate concern? What do you do about it? Headsets? Speaker phone? If you think it's over-blown as an issue, what information supports your stance?

*I noticed that people keep posting questions exactly like this, so I am promoting it

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 09, 2011
at 03:53 PM

I agree about the exposure ruining our lives. I think it's responsible for stuff like depression and weakness. It's impossible to get away from it and be a normal person.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on August 29, 2011
at 03:59 AM

what a load of nonsense.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 29, 2011
at 01:01 AM

to curated wellness, you can't trust scientific research, you can only really trust personal experiences of general well being from high exposure, to low exposure, empirical evidence, I think it may be.

485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

(2191)

on August 29, 2011
at 12:56 AM

I agree with you, Robert, but bad news--cell phone towers are everywhere; wireless internet is everywhere. You cannot escape it. Best bet is to use wired, land line phones and wired internet. While radiation is everywhere, the serious exposure is from having the phone plastered against your head. Nevertheless, my wife and I have pay-as-you-go cell phones for emergency use. I do believe they can be lifesavers.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on August 28, 2011
at 10:12 PM

Obvious is nice. But why is it obvious? Why do they cause the body not to work right? What is the evidence that supports this position? Last I checked we are wading in the territory of the unknown. It is unknown whether or not it is a risk factor. It could potentially be one. But unless you have some studies or compelling mechanism, I think "obvious" is the wrong word choice.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 04, 2011
at 08:19 PM

cute! cute! cute!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 04, 2011
at 09:24 AM

grounding defintly help. if you use exessive computer and mobile. its probably its a never endeing challange. i think it realy serious. we cant realy avoid this radiation anymore its everywhere. There are a lot good stuff to protect against radiation.

1f70da0b737e9c6e7679a248f4228a01

on December 23, 2010
at 09:03 PM

Interesting! Thanks, Greg!

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on December 22, 2010
at 02:30 PM

Read the comments to the sci-am article. They're way better than the article itself.

1f70da0b737e9c6e7679a248f4228a01

on September 01, 2010
at 09:35 AM

Crikey... I think I'll have issues going to sleep tonight! I wonder about the beau's preference for carrying his phone in his jeans pockets, in case it's impacting fertility, etc. Personally, my phone lives in my bag, but then that's because I don't usually have pockets. I haven't made the step to an earpiece or headset with a radiation etc blocker bead, but I think about it...

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on August 31, 2010
at 07:15 PM

Futon for the Win!!

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on August 31, 2010
at 05:50 PM

That article is just plain crazy.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on August 31, 2010
at 02:34 PM

Wow, Felix, that article is crazy: the coils in our mattresses are functioning like antennas for radiation. It almost sounds a little too clever to be true, but fascinating nonetheless.

1c4ada15ca0635582c77dbd9b1317dbf

(2614)

on August 31, 2010
at 08:30 AM

Great question - there was a constant outcry on this sort of thing when cellphones were becoming more popular, but it's gone quiet recently. I can't help but think it's a potential timebomb, because there haven't been many long term studies, so I will wait for the experts to answer below with trepidation!

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1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on July 04, 2011
at 05:33 PM

This is how we handle cellphone radiation and wi-fi signals at my house

cellphone-radiation---care-factor?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 04, 2011
at 08:19 PM

cute! cute! cute!

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20898)

on July 04, 2011
at 03:27 PM

Microwaves are non-ionizing radiation. It has no effect other than to heat water. So you might jump to conclusions and say that it's heating your brain, but then you need to do the math. A microwave oven is generally 1kW and designed to create a standing wave and focus the energy on your food. A cell phone is less than a watt and is radiating dipole radiation in all directions that decreases with the square of distance. (true nerds will recognize that having a cell phone to your head puts your head in the near-field limit but it's still such a small amount of power that it's negligible). While cellphones and microwave ovens both use microwaves, they are completely different. I'm on my iPhone right now which makes doing the extra searching hard so I leave it as an exercise to the reader. But look up the blackbody power density of the sun in the GHz range, I bet it's more than the cellphone and you get that just standing outside.

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6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on August 31, 2010
at 01:39 PM

Our bodies will always be under attack by some carcinogen-du-jour. One of the points of a paleo/primal way of life is that it keeps your immune system in shape to prevent damaged cells in your body from progressing to cancer ( http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20071119/immune-system-may-make-or-break-cancer ). Some of the immune-enhancing factors of our chosen lifestyle include exercise, stress reduction, consumption of real foods, avoidance of poisons and anti-foods, and vitamin D supplementation. While I don't advocate intentionally exposing ourselves to carcinogens, there are so many studies and counter-studies that it's often hard to know how harmful things such as EMFs are.

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3eb3f79868b24b3df4450ea2d4f9a5d5

(2387)

on August 31, 2010
at 01:37 PM

I found this one some time ago - very interesting and plausible: http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=left-sided-cancer-blame-your-bed-an-2010-07-02

I tend not to carry my cellphone with me all the time. There are also some studies out there linking cellphones to decreased bone density (in the area where the phone is/was usually carried. Not much, though, but measurable. Fact is, we don't know enough yet and I guess it will take another 10 years to fully undestand the effects of cellphone radiation. For the time being, I try to only take my cellphone with me if necessary. (Since I am an anti-social paleo freak no one would call me anyway...)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on August 31, 2010
at 05:50 PM

That article is just plain crazy.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on August 31, 2010
at 07:15 PM

Futon for the Win!!

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on August 31, 2010
at 02:34 PM

Wow, Felix, that article is crazy: the coils in our mattresses are functioning like antennas for radiation. It almost sounds a little too clever to be true, but fascinating nonetheless.

1f70da0b737e9c6e7679a248f4228a01

on September 01, 2010
at 09:35 AM

Crikey... I think I'll have issues going to sleep tonight! I wonder about the beau's preference for carrying his phone in his jeans pockets, in case it's impacting fertility, etc. Personally, my phone lives in my bag, but then that's because I don't usually have pockets. I haven't made the step to an earpiece or headset with a radiation etc blocker bead, but I think about it...

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on December 22, 2010
at 02:30 PM

Read the comments to the sci-am article. They're way better than the article itself.

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47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on August 31, 2010
at 02:46 PM

Mark Sisson has a post on this one that is excellent. The basic thought is that there is probably a correlation between brain cancer and cell-phone use; meta-studies show consistent correlations, and according to the most thorough recent study there is an 18% increase in incidence for cell-phone users. But this is another one of those relative/absolute games. Sure, your relative risk increases by 18%, but your absolute risk increases from 1 in 29,000 to 1 in 24,500. Add onto this the usual caveat about correlation and causation and here's the conclusion: I'm not worried.

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Medium avatar

(4878)

on July 04, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Yes I care about exposure.

I've been telling people for the last 10 years that my cell gives me headaches, which it does. I can't be on the phone for longer than 10 minutes without getting a lingering headache. Yes, I've tried different phones, and since they usually don't last longer than 2 years that means I've had the same issue with 5 different phones.

But, I maybe highly sensitive as I can "feel" high power electrical towers before I see them and can hear security systems in some malls. (It is quite annoying, as you can imagine.)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 09, 2011
at 03:53 PM

I agree about the exposure ruining our lives. I think it's responsible for stuff like depression and weakness. It's impossible to get away from it and be a normal person.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 28, 2011
at 10:07 PM

This is all too obvious to me. Cell phones, towers, wireless internet, and cordless phones are all causing sickness in our bodies. People just think of cancer when thinkin radiation, but they just cause the entire bodily system to not work right, which throws everything else off. I can't wait till I'm able to move somewhere out in the country with no wireless internet!

485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

(2191)

on August 29, 2011
at 12:56 AM

I agree with you, Robert, but bad news--cell phone towers are everywhere; wireless internet is everywhere. You cannot escape it. Best bet is to use wired, land line phones and wired internet. While radiation is everywhere, the serious exposure is from having the phone plastered against your head. Nevertheless, my wife and I have pay-as-you-go cell phones for emergency use. I do believe they can be lifesavers.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on August 28, 2011
at 10:12 PM

Obvious is nice. But why is it obvious? Why do they cause the body not to work right? What is the evidence that supports this position? Last I checked we are wading in the territory of the unknown. It is unknown whether or not it is a risk factor. It could potentially be one. But unless you have some studies or compelling mechanism, I think "obvious" is the wrong word choice.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 29, 2011
at 01:01 AM

to curated wellness, you can't trust scientific research, you can only really trust personal experiences of general well being from high exposure, to low exposure, empirical evidence, I think it may be.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 31, 2010
at 01:38 PM

Im kind of on the fence on this one: i do believe that its not good to carry my iPhone down in my pants pocket right next to my crotch but, life happens i suppose, its just a habit and lifestyle that i find very difficult to alter.

We, each of us, really do have individual issues, dont we? Ive used this as a lesson for life; ie I find it very easy to live completely free of grains and sometimes struggle to get my head round why people with weight-issues wouldnt ditch them, but then like i mentioned above i constantly have my iphone up against my head or my crotch i suppose. Its something i'd rather not do but i keep doing it. Goofy, i know.

Here's a little post regarding this issue, with a particular study mentioned in it (that im surprised more people arent talking about to be honest): http://www.superhumanradio.com/news/cell-phone-are-feminizing-men.html

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 09, 2011
at 03:54 PM

How do I escape wi-fi and cellphone radiation and not be some crazy person living out in the wild and also be able to afford to do it?!! ...I'm really just thinking outloud here.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 04, 2011
at 04:18 PM

I do. cell phones and wireless connection make life easier, but they are electrical currents that I'm sure cause health problems. Since we know eating primal has an enormous effect on health, living primal, such as avoiding cell phones, will probably have health benefits

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A846ed028a91515ea814dd0c713718f4

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on July 03, 2011
at 07:02 PM

I don't think there's any evidence of short-term effects, but we don't have enough data about long term effects.

Think about it logically: cell phone use has gone up exponentially over the last two decades, to the point that now almost everyone has one. Yet, over the same time period, the incidence (or the number of new brain cancer diagnoses) has remained flat. If cell-phones were carcinogenic in the short term, we would have seen some kind of crazy spike in the incidence rates. But when you look at the rates in the US, Britain, Sweden, wherever, there's nothing.

That being said, we don't know what's going to happen in the long term, so of course the studies still need to be done. But...I'm not too worried. The actual amount of radiation exposure is very small and it doesn't go very far into the brain.

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1e34e1a3b4ceb6a8206c3cffc8646488

on December 22, 2010
at 04:04 AM

In an interview with Dr. Mercola David Wolfe explains how going bare foot (which grounds you to the earth) can help to eliminate the toxic effect of cell phones, micro waves ect. I believe he states that we all should be grounded for an hour and twenty minutes a day. I personally don't go out of my way to avoid cell phones, but I go bare foot as often as possible, and always avoid x-rays. On a side note if you must get an x ray always ask for a thyroid collar as most places forget to use it.

(the link to part 1 Dr. Mercola with David Wolfe)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qWIfj2izQ8

1f70da0b737e9c6e7679a248f4228a01

on December 23, 2010
at 09:03 PM

Interesting! Thanks, Greg!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 04, 2011
at 09:24 AM

grounding defintly help. if you use exessive computer and mobile. its probably its a never endeing challange. i think it realy serious. we cant realy avoid this radiation anymore its everywhere. There are a lot good stuff to protect against radiation.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on August 29, 2011
at 03:59 AM

what a load of nonsense.

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04293f705870e1837b8670d3c1cd5f67

on December 22, 2010
at 03:41 AM

Yes, I do think there is a concern and it's not just cancer, which I agree with the notion that my body's immune system is always working to keep me healthy. However, I recently came across some articles that suggests dirty electricity could be a cause of ALS/Lou Gehrigs disease. In ALS, nerve cells (neurons) waste away or die, and can no longer send messages to muscles. I have a been researching causes of ALS for quite some time (I have a family member who has it & so did her neighbor die of it too). I plan on reading the book by Dr. Sam Milham, "Dirty Electricity, Electrification and Diseases of Civilazation." He is an Epidemiologist. Listed below is some of his credentials from the web (not verified).

I realize there are "industries" out there that DO NOT AGREE with this! I have always used a corded headset for my cell phone, turn off the wi-fi part of it, unless absolutely necessary. I am also thinking about not using the cordless phone's in our house.

While I have not read the book yet, I have read his papers online, and I have talked to Dr. Milham via the phone and emails.

Dr. Sam Milham's Education and Experience: Union College, Schenectady, New York, September 1950-June 1954, B.S. Sigma Xi, Fuller Chemistry Prize New York State Medical Scholarship.

Albany Medical College, September 1954-June 1958, M.D. Alpha Omega Alpha.

Intern, U.S. Public Health Hospital, Boston, Massachusetts, July 1958-July 1959.

U.S. Public Health Service Residency in Public Health. Assigned to Monroe County Health Department, Rochester, New York, July 1959-August 1960.

Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health, September 1960-June 1961, M.P.H.

Senior Resident in Epidemiology. Epidemiology Residency Program, New York State Department of Health, June 1961-1962.

Development Consultant. New York State Department of Health, 1963-1967.

Assistant Professor, Department of Pediatrics, Albany Medical College, July 1964-1967.

Diplomate, American Board of Preventive Medicine, June 1966.

Associate Professor, University of Hawaii School of Public Health and Medical School, 1967-1968.

Travel Fellowship, IARC 1971.

Section Head, Epidemiology Section, Washington State Department of Health, 1968-1986.

Travel Fellowship, International Cancer Research Technology Transfer, 1981.

Washington State Public Health Association Annual Award, 1986.

Chronic Disease Epidemiologist, Washington State Department of Health, 1968-1988.

Clinical Associate Professor, University of Washington School of Public Health, 1968--.

Section Head, Chronic Disease Epidemiology Section, Washington State Department of Health, 1988-May 1992.

Adjunct Professor, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, 1989--.

Robert Carl Strom Foundation Humanitarian Award, 1990.

Member of Bioelectromagnetics Society, 1984--.

Some links: http://www.sammilham.com/

http://d1fj3024k72gdx.cloudfront.net/Milham-ALS-Paper-2010.pdf (Medical Hypothesis)

Feel free to set me straight.

P.S.Sorry so long, I couldn't figure out how to add a link.

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