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Is ketosis healthy?

Commented on March 01, 2014
Created March 01, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Is being in ketosis healthy/and is there a danger in going in and out of ketosis?

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on March 01, 2014
at 06:47 PM

Most people don't do cyclical keto, no. But there were times I'd eat more fruits, and go to about 150 gr of net carbs. But what I needed, was the actual STARCH, not the sugar of fruits -- as I found later. I wasn't getting enough starch and fiber. Fiber was at around 60% avg of RDA. Now, with the new way of eating, I eat 200% fiber, and lots of starch, and I feel better.

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on March 01, 2014
at 06:39 PM

before the vast overconsumption of food in the first worlds, wouldn't a diet that made you lose weight and feed off itself be considered bad?

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on March 01, 2014
at 06:38 PM

Did you not do refeeds? They seem vital.

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on March 01, 2014
at 06:27 PM

Ketosis and VLC trashed my adrenals and thyroid. I tried this way of eating for 2.5 years, only to be feeling extremely tired, sleepy, all the time. It wasn't too bad when I was VLC, but when I went ketogenic, everything went downhill, and I never properly recovered. This seems to be a common theme among women mostly, while men are seem to be able to do keto much easier. I'd say, females need the carbs. So, recently, I started eating more carbs (including rice, potatoes and soaked legumes) and I feel better. The suggestion to eat more such carbs (I eat between 150 gr and 200 gr net carbs daily, which is still low carb, but not VLC/keto) actually came from Paleo users after they had a full lay down of my symptoms. So, I still consider myself Paleo (no grains or pseudograins except rice, no processed foods, no sugar, no seed oils), but I eat everything else and I don't count carbs, while I have limited my fats and protein. I lost 2.5 lbs in 3 days eating this way, while Paleo itself hasn't made me lose any weight. I know this sounds difficult to believe, but it's true. My body simply was not reacting to VLC Paleo, it wouldn't shake any fat off of me. I kept doing Paleo because it had fixed my other long list of health problems, but not so much in terms of weight loss. I know that this is NOT the normal response to Paleo or keto, but that's how it was with my body. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, I don't know. Other females, also had similar experiences: http://chriskresser.com/are-legumes-paleo#comment-160658

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on March 01, 2014
at 06:38 PM

Did you not do refeeds? They seem vital.

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on March 01, 2014
at 06:06 PM

For a more detailed look at ketosis, checkout these young (well, young to me) MD's who have done self-ketosis and blog about it

Dr Peter Attia

http://eatingacademy.com/?s=ketosishttp://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/is-ketosis-dangerous

Dr Georgia Ede recounts her venture into ketosis; week by week & then, later, by the month

http://diagnosisdiet.com/?s=ketosis&submit=++

Based on all my reading on ketosis plus Attia's reporting on his "semi-long term" ketosis state... ketosis appears not dangerous, is benefical for fat loss and possible other 'conditions'.

Longer term? I don' know.

Take the time to delve into Attia's blog, it has a wealth of information.

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on March 01, 2014
at 06:39 PM

before the vast overconsumption of food in the first worlds, wouldn't a diet that made you lose weight and feed off itself be considered bad?

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on March 01, 2014
at 05:38 PM

It's not going to kill you… but is it optimal? I would argue not. It's a survival mechanism our bodies have at their disposal. You starve yourself of glucose, you switch into ketosis. Doesn't make sense to me that inducing a starvation response is a good thing.

If you have a screwed metabolism or some odd neurological issue, ketosis may be beneficial for those limited disease states, still doesn't make it optimal for overall health though.

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on March 01, 2014
at 04:48 PM

I would imagine this is more a philosophical question. There seems to be enough evidence to support that an all plant diet low in fat produces the most octogenarians. However is living to be 100 plus really a good thing if you are a weak, flatuelent and unathletic version of yourself for that entire century?

I would rather die at 70 and have had a functioning, lean and hormonally sound body than live to 100 and be a wreck. I wouldn't imagine many people who live using a ketogenic diet for the most part of their life live that long. But to quote christopher hitchens:

"I burned the candle at both ends and it often gave a lovely light."

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on March 01, 2014
at 04:45 PM

Ketosis is perfectly safe and healthy. There's a similar condition by the name of ketoacidosis which occurs with diabetics that's life threatening.

There's not much danger of going in and out of ketosis, but you might have trouble going into ketosis the first time if you're not adapted to burning fat. You'll get low energy - aka the low carb flu, and may experience acetone breath. Once your cells see ketones and fat as a source of energy they can use, this will go away.

There is a small bit of danger going too low carb for too long because the signal to produce glucose for the brain and red blood cells is actually cortisol. So if you experience anxiety for no reason, or a rapid pulse, you might want to pull back and consome some carbs. Prolonged ketosis can also cause dry eyes/mucus membranes. Staying too long in ketosis can also cause problems with candida because the bacteria that they fight against will not be fed.

The point of ketosis is rapid fat loss, which it will do if you don't over do it, but it will also help you enter autophagy (usually via intermittent fasting) which is our body's clean up procedure. It will help reabsorb broken proteins inside of cells and signal the immune system to go after bacteria and virii.

So, tl;dr, yes, it can be beneficial, as can fasting. Staying there too long can be problematic.

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