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Hack this article. Paleo wreaking absolute havoc on your metabolism and endocrine system

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Created July 09, 2012 at 11:55 PM

http://butterbeliever.com/matt-stone-youre-blowing-my-mind/

As a paleo newbie this is freaking me out. Am I making a mistake going paleo?

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on December 04, 2012
at 04:48 AM

The op wanted to know if there were any dangers in doing a paleo diet. I simply replied that there might be some issues if taken to the extreme. For some reason some are mentioning Matt's personality flaws. That really has nothing to do with the health benefits OR dangers of adopting a paleo plan.

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on December 02, 2012
at 03:28 AM

I should havae said 'were you'- didn't realise this was dated post. Doesn' really matter, I was just confused ;) thanks for clarifying

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on December 01, 2012
at 06:53 PM

The blogger on that site.

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on December 01, 2012
at 12:14 PM

There is such a thing as too low carb, and there are people who aren't well adapted to do beta oxidation (i.e. burning fat.) This is why 50-150g of carbs is needed, but those can come from leafy greens. You either eat enough protein to do gluconeogenesis or you eat some carbs. I don't know what Matt did for you, or not, but from the stuff I've seen on his site, he's a broken clock. He may be right twice a day, and it's coincidence that something he may have offered coincided with your need at the time, but for the other 23 hours and 58 minutes of the day, he's wrong.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on December 01, 2012
at 01:25 AM

Luckie are you talking about Matt Stone or the blogger on that site? or both?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:28 AM

Oh yes, calling people retards is the mark of a great guy, right oh. SMH

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on July 10, 2012
at 10:24 PM

he's a great guy, and one of a very few who is willing to publicly oppose the silliness that many diets including paleo, abide in.

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on July 10, 2012
at 10:22 PM

in addition, if a person feels bad with so-called "safe" carbs, you CAN eat simple/fruit/refined carbs/sugars. just self experiment.

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on July 10, 2012
at 04:58 PM

agree, low carb paleo was definitely detrimental to my thyroid health. I've since then added a ton of carbs back into my diet and feel great because of it.

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on July 10, 2012
at 04:26 PM

I understand why there's so much anti-low-carb sentiment around here, but do most of us not agree that a Paleo or ancestral diet that includes more starch or fruit is STILL LOW*ER* in carbs than what the average American eats? So no, it's not "low carb" in the classical sense, but it's usually lowER. (Not for everyone, but for some.)

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on July 10, 2012
at 04:25 PM

I understand why there's so much anti-low-carb sentiment around here, but do most of us not agree that a Paleo or ancestral diet that includes more starch or fruit is *STILL* lowe*ER* in carbs than what the average American eats? So no, it's not "low carb" in the classical sense, but it's usually lowER. (Not for *everyone,* but for some.)

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on July 10, 2012
at 04:22 PM

Thank you, Diane! Low carb is such a dirty phrase around here these days, but many of us thrive on it and have LC to thank for our weight loss, improved health, and improved overall relationship with food and our bodies.

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:46 PM

Paleo =/= VLC: SO TRUE. I eat Paleo. I also eat carbs with every meal on training days, and at least once a day on rest days. But if I had a nickel for every time people assumed I was a total carbophobe because of Paleo, I'd be able to plate my sweet potatoes in gold.

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:32 PM

Low carb paelo made me go hypothyroid with very low T3 levels.

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on July 10, 2012
at 12:10 PM

JayJay.... LMAO

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on July 10, 2012
at 05:15 AM

Sisson also states to match your carb intake to your activity levels

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on July 10, 2012
at 02:48 AM

I did very low carb (about 25g per day) for about 60 days. I really feel like it "reset" my entire metabolism. Digestion, energy, everything. However, after these 60 days I started to have a bunch of bad symptoms, which I remedied by adding back carbs. I actually prefer a low carb diet so have to go out of my way to eat them at least once a week, but the change was a big transformation for the better.

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on July 10, 2012
at 02:41 AM

Sisson also advocates experimenting to find the amount of carbs that work for you.

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:42 AM

Matt Stone? Seriously? Please read up on these people before giving them an ounce of your time or attention. Matt Stone states clearly he is not about weight loss, doesn't care about weight loss, and as long as he gets your body temp up he considers it a success even if you still have 60 lbs left to lose. So you want weight loss? Yes, please do go follow Matt Stone. You'll come back more sure than ever that paleo is at least reasonable and gives you at least a shot at weight loss whereas Matt Stone's little program surely does not.

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:11 AM

I never had more than 10lbs to shed....I just continue eating in that range since it works for me.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:10 AM

I've eaten in the 50-100 range for about 2 years great results.....So as stated YMMV. I exercise short and intense about 2x/week and goof with the kids while walking to and from work. Works for me.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:08 AM

lol....Matt Stone. Nuff said. Re-read something credible (like the funny pages) to scrub your mind of his nonsense.

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on July 10, 2012
at 12:43 AM

I'm trying to drop pounds, so as Sisson says I try to keep my carbs under 100. Is that a mistake?

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F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:15 AM

Low carb doesn't hose your metabolism. My own personal experience is that it restored my metabolism to health. It healed my insulin resistance. It allowed me to lose weight. It restored my hunger/satiety signals to normal. It gave me more energy. It turned me from a sluggish metabolism and slightly hypothyroid to brimming with energy. I started low carb and still am around 100g a day and have never felt warmer, more active, more healthy, more alert, more happy, stronger, fitter and more energetic in my life. I see no reason to specifically increase or manipulate my carb intake. I just eat what I like, which is mostly meat and vegetables, sweet potatoes and yams, avocados and dates and not very much fruit, but a little bit.

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:32 PM

Low carb paelo made me go hypothyroid with very low T3 levels.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on July 10, 2012
at 02:48 AM

I did very low carb (about 25g per day) for about 60 days. I really feel like it "reset" my entire metabolism. Digestion, energy, everything. However, after these 60 days I started to have a bunch of bad symptoms, which I remedied by adding back carbs. I actually prefer a low carb diet so have to go out of my way to eat them at least once a week, but the change was a big transformation for the better.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 10, 2012
at 04:22 PM

Thank you, Diane! Low carb is such a dirty phrase around here these days, but many of us thrive on it and have LC to thank for our weight loss, improved health, and improved overall relationship with food and our bodies.

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on July 10, 2012
at 12:05 AM

I'm only going to be an abrupt ass because I'm sure someone else will link to something or explain a bit further:

1.) Paleo and low carb are not one in the same. I think I'm going to use the terms "ancestral" and "traditional" from now on.

2.) Low carbohydrate diets are not inherently dangerous, but Matt Stone is inherently stupid.

With that said, there is significant evidence that prolonged low carbohydrate dieting will lower T3 levels. I personally have no intention to restrict my carbohydrate intake intentionally again. I thrive on mounds of potatoes, fruit, and rice; plus, I enjoy sports, cycling, and running, all of which are not optimized on a low carb diet. To each their own, your mileage may vary, everyone is a unique snowflake, bunnies and unicorns, etc., etc.

Cheers.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:10 AM

I've eaten in the 50-100 range for about 2 years great results.....So as stated YMMV. I exercise short and intense about 2x/week and goof with the kids while walking to and from work. Works for me.

Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

(4292)

on July 10, 2012
at 01:46 PM

Paleo =/= VLC: SO TRUE. I eat Paleo. I also eat carbs with every meal on training days, and at least once a day on rest days. But if I had a nickel for every time people assumed I was a total carbophobe because of Paleo, I'd be able to plate my sweet potatoes in gold.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 10, 2012
at 04:26 PM

I understand why there's so much anti-low-carb sentiment around here, but do most of us not agree that a Paleo or ancestral diet that includes more starch or fruit is STILL LOW*ER* in carbs than what the average American eats? So no, it's not "low carb" in the classical sense, but it's usually lowER. (Not for everyone, but for some.)

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on July 10, 2012
at 05:15 AM

Sisson also states to match your carb intake to your activity levels

8f87879387f2a357db7c33008ff9a04a

(887)

on July 10, 2012
at 12:43 AM

I'm trying to drop pounds, so as Sisson says I try to keep my carbs under 100. Is that a mistake?

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 10, 2012
at 04:25 PM

I understand why there's so much anti-low-carb sentiment around here, but do most of us not agree that a Paleo or ancestral diet that includes more starch or fruit is *STILL* lowe*ER* in carbs than what the average American eats? So no, it's not "low carb" in the classical sense, but it's usually lowER. (Not for *everyone,* but for some.)

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on July 10, 2012
at 01:11 AM

I never had more than 10lbs to shed....I just continue eating in that range since it works for me.

98d897c716fab334d015b8004ed0537f

(639)

on July 10, 2012
at 02:41 AM

Sisson also advocates experimenting to find the amount of carbs that work for you.

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on July 10, 2012
at 12:07 AM

Without lending credence to Stone's claims, let's clear up that his primary contention is that low carb diets have negative effects on metabolism and the thyroid. Going paleo does not, in my mind, suggest anything of a person's total carb intake.

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:35 AM

Quote from that website (particularly offensive and unprofessional bits bolded by me):

"This is just an annoying and frighteningly Orwellian attempt to fix a problem by doing what we know doesn???t work. Good job retards. If you want to play around with other people???s food, I recommend getting jobs at McDonald???s where you belong. They have salads and apple slices there now. Oh but you won???t. Next thing I know I will have a tired, hungry, and irritable obese Girl Scout on a low-calorie diet at my door with freeze dried broccoli florets for sale. I hope my hands are well-washed from my last tasty meal. I might lose a finger!"

I see no reason to take this jerk seriously. I mean, I'm not saying I'm the nicest person in the world, and I did just call him a jerk, but I am not writing on a blog that is supposed to educate and help people. If educating and informing was my goal, then I would play nice, be professional, and present the facts.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:28 AM

Oh yes, calling people retards is the mark of a great guy, right oh. SMH

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on July 10, 2012
at 10:24 PM

he's a great guy, and one of a very few who is willing to publicly oppose the silliness that many diets including paleo, abide in.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on December 01, 2012
at 06:53 PM

The blogger on that site.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on December 01, 2012
at 01:25 AM

Luckie are you talking about Matt Stone or the blogger on that site? or both?

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on December 02, 2012
at 03:28 AM

I should havae said 'were you'- didn't realise this was dated post. Doesn' really matter, I was just confused ;) thanks for clarifying

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531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:31 PM

Speaking from personal experience, eating low-carb Paleo has put my T3 count below normal. Even though I lost a ton of fat initially, it's hard to keep it off now even though I lift weights 4-5 times a week. I believe low carb has screwed up my metabolism. I'll be adding potatoes and rice back into my diet from now on.

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on July 10, 2012
at 04:58 PM

agree, low carb paleo was definitely detrimental to my thyroid health. I've since then added a ton of carbs back into my diet and feel great because of it.

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on July 10, 2012
at 12:44 PM

I personally think that VLC is bad, certainly in the long run, but luckily paleo isn't low carb

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on July 10, 2012
at 03:55 AM

Paleo and low-carb are different animals, although they get bunched together quite often. I consume between 2500 and 3000 Kcal per day with 50-200g of carbs in there, depending on the day. I stick with safe carbs like sweet potatoes, squash, occasionally rice, and I have never felt better. I also exercise daily, mixed between high intensity and low intensity, and have constant energy. I eat between 1 and 3 times per day, and NEVER snack. My energy is so consistent that I don't need to snack.

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on July 10, 2012
at 10:22 PM

in addition, if a person feels bad with so-called "safe" carbs, you CAN eat simple/fruit/refined carbs/sugars. just self experiment.

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:58 PM

How could eating natural, whole foods wreak havoc on any system? This is utter nonsense. Also, Paleo DOES NOT EQUAL LOW-CARB! You can eat plenty of grainless carbs on Paleo. Some people eat rice and sprouted grains. If you eat things that you can't digest (for some it's dairy, for others, it's nightshades), your digestive system will suffer and you'll feel crappy.

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on December 01, 2012
at 12:32 AM

low carb for me equals garbage metabolism. never been overweight, only did it for the health 'benefits'. yeah right. felt great at first, but after a good 6 mos. or so...stay back! i was a mess. grouchy, losing hair, nervous, cold, almost lost my period (was getting later and later), bad breath, poor digestion, NO libido etc. i could list lots more, but i think y'all get the point. matt stone may be a 'jerk' or whatever, but he saved my ass. paleo is cool and all for introducing whole foods/grass-fed meats, but dude! it's easy to go low carb w no grains/sugar. i gotta eat phd style w plenty of fruit now or all those nasty low metabolism symptoms come right back. be careful!!

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on December 01, 2012
at 12:14 PM

There is such a thing as too low carb, and there are people who aren't well adapted to do beta oxidation (i.e. burning fat.) This is why 50-150g of carbs is needed, but those can come from leafy greens. You either eat enough protein to do gluconeogenesis or you eat some carbs. I don't know what Matt did for you, or not, but from the stuff I've seen on his site, he's a broken clock. He may be right twice a day, and it's coincidence that something he may have offered coincided with your need at the time, but for the other 23 hours and 58 minutes of the day, he's wrong.

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on December 04, 2012
at 04:48 AM

The op wanted to know if there were any dangers in doing a paleo diet. I simply replied that there might be some issues if taken to the extreme. For some reason some are mentioning Matt's personality flaws. That really has nothing to do with the health benefits OR dangers of adopting a paleo plan.

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on July 10, 2012
at 04:12 PM

Why does anyone listen to Matt Stone- he tells you to eat sugar and refined carbs! He is totally crazy in my opinion.

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on July 10, 2012
at 11:24 AM

ALL of this stuff is a SCAM. We know too little about nutrition.

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