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[meta] Should we let kids use paleohacks?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 18, 2012 at 9:12 PM

The terms of service say otherwise but kids still get on here. As the title says.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 01, 2012
at 11:08 AM

As a parent myself its my opinion that teenage diet is becoming another challenge for parents. Either kids are becoming overweight or having issues with body image. It can be really challenging to provide a consistent message without it being derailed by unusual ideas such as inducing ketosis for weight loss etc.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on October 19, 2012
at 10:10 PM

Americans are funny.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 19, 2012
at 08:40 PM

I luv you, JayJay. Even if you are a breeder ;)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 19, 2012
at 08:29 PM

Why are you getting your panties in a wad about this?

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on October 19, 2012
at 08:20 PM

I'm not a doctor nor am I a lawyer (but am related to both) and the only issues I see are ones of liability. I would feel a little reluctant to offer health advice to a minor, not knowing full info. And even so, at least an adult is expected to be responsible for taking any advice given over the web. Not so for kids. Can't prevent them from using sites such as this, so being conservative in giving advice seems to be prudent.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 19, 2012
at 08:15 PM

A million times THIS! I would rather them say that they are children/teens because those who will give advice can give better advice. Children and teens are still developing their bodies, brains, and a lot is going on with hormones. That should be taken into consideration.

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(310)

on October 19, 2012
at 07:26 PM

I agree. I'm fifteen.

Medium avatar

(310)

on October 19, 2012
at 07:25 PM

I'm a fifteen year old girl. You're never too young to worry about your overall well-being.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on October 19, 2012
at 01:44 PM

There's also the reality that if you ban them, and they want the info badly enough, many will lie and say they are adults. So, when we write our responses, we end up assuming they've had more life experience than they really have had, which means we are more likely to confuse them.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on October 19, 2012
at 01:35 PM

Would you be ok with somebody shoving your 14yr old into a classroom and making him or her listen to them drone on about crap they don't care about? On the internet, demand driven education is going on. Think about it. A 14yr old wants to learn something? They know they aren't being taught meaningful stuff. I worry that I can't help more. It isn't easy to write a response that covers all the bases. I also care about the feelings of the parents, but again, I've got to assume the parents see them going on the internet. If I have kids, they'll know this stuff so that is moot.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 19, 2012
at 01:12 PM

So please feel free to continue following me around to accumulate down votes ;)

59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on October 19, 2012
at 12:50 PM

I think a better question is should people respond to kids who ask questions, it's impossible to prevent kids from using the site, they could just pretend to be adults.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 19, 2012
at 12:41 PM

Since I'm not likely to follow up here....Yes I find the above mentioned items far more damaging to their mental well being than if they were actively searching out advice and information on paleo hacks.....or ACTIVELY searching out information ANYWHERE for that matter.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 19, 2012
at 12:37 PM

yup.............do you?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 19, 2012
at 12:29 PM

Do you have kids?

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on October 19, 2012
at 10:03 AM

Why do you want to break the internet?

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on October 19, 2012
at 10:02 AM

I'm not being shitty, just telling you how it is. Don't blame me for the shortcomings of online presence. Not to say I think they are shortcomings.

06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on October 19, 2012
at 04:50 AM

I can't +1 this enough. The fact that kids are taking an interest in their health is admirable.

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on October 19, 2012
at 02:41 AM

Well you know, questions about is this bodily fluid paleo, etc. - you get it. Just search if you want to find it.

E253f8ac1d139bf4d0bfb44debd1db21

on October 19, 2012
at 02:41 AM

Don't get shitty with me.. It's in the terms of service and I see a 14 year old asking about inducing keto!

E253f8ac1d139bf4d0bfb44debd1db21

on October 19, 2012
at 02:35 AM

But it's still in the terms of service..

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 19, 2012
at 12:26 AM

i agree, im glad i found this site,

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on October 19, 2012
at 12:23 AM

Non-enforceable. Pointless question.

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 19, 2012
at 12:23 AM

im 17, learning about health everyday, do you think im too young?

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on October 19, 2012
at 12:23 AM

Where's this x-rated stuff so I can, umm, review it?

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on October 19, 2012
at 12:18 AM

Honestly, I'd appreciate people just not talking about the X-rated stuff.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on October 18, 2012
at 11:31 PM

It would irritate me but I'd just have to hope my kid has good sense and can research things on their own. I'm pretty sure my parents didn't like my veganphase which was largely Internet driven, but they let me come to my own conclusions and I had to learn to cook for myself. Can't keep kids locked in a box forever.

59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on October 18, 2012
at 11:28 PM

When I was a teen we communicated with smoke signals

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on October 18, 2012
at 11:28 PM

I'm almost 30. Had my first AOL screen name when I was 10. :-)

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on October 18, 2012
at 11:21 PM

When I was a teen there was no internet. :)

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

(1085)

on October 18, 2012
at 11:03 PM

This answer is in response to the initial question from the OP and the comment "Would you be ok with somebody giving diet advice to your 14 year old?"

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on October 18, 2012
at 10:58 PM

There was no paleohacks when I was 14. I went on vegan forums and pro-Ana websites. What's your point? If the parents aren't limiting Internet and there's no logistical way to lock kids out I don't understand the point of discussing this. It sucks but thems the breaks. Lets just be kind to each other and not encourage disordered eating. I think that's the best that can be done.

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

(1085)

on October 18, 2012
at 10:47 PM

Paleotype - If you are proposing some sort of age verification for PH you aren't going to get very far. Age verification and identity verification run hand in hand and its been made pretty clear that a large portion of PH members do not want their true identities exposed on the world wide web.

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

(1085)

on October 18, 2012
at 10:45 PM

As soon as the 14 year old stops getting responses because he or she is 14, he or she will create a new account and suddenly be 21. What can you do? If you're concerned about what your 14 year old is exposed to on the internet then do something about it--at home.

E253f8ac1d139bf4d0bfb44debd1db21

on October 18, 2012
at 09:59 PM

Would you be ok with somebody giving diet advice to your 14 year old?

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1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on October 18, 2012
at 11:03 PM

When I was a teen there was no paleohacks, so I went on vegan forums and pro-Ana websites. What's your point? Unless we start linking accounts to Facebook or credit cards there's no way to truly monitor it. Lots of people on here have medical issues they wouldn't want publicly known so linking to Facebook/real name system wouldn't be feasible. Best you can hope is that people recognize disordered eating, close those questions, and hope people are being honest and the replies are thoughtful and kind.

59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on October 18, 2012
at 11:28 PM

When I was a teen we communicated with smoke signals

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on October 18, 2012
at 11:21 PM

When I was a teen there was no internet. :)

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on October 18, 2012
at 11:28 PM

I'm almost 30. Had my first AOL screen name when I was 10. :-)

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Medium avatar

(2338)

on October 18, 2012
at 11:26 PM

all the stuff in the world kids could be doing and you're worried about them learning about health and nutrition? is this a serious question?

Medium avatar

(310)

on October 19, 2012
at 07:26 PM

I agree. I'm fifteen.

06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on October 19, 2012
at 04:50 AM

I can't +1 this enough. The fact that kids are taking an interest in their health is admirable.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 18, 2012
at 11:58 PM

EVERYBODY is giving advice to your kids...Commercials, billboards, bimbo teen idols...take up your cause against that first

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 19, 2012
at 08:40 PM

I luv you, JayJay. Even if you are a breeder ;)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 19, 2012
at 12:29 PM

Do you have kids?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 19, 2012
at 12:37 PM

yup.............do you?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 19, 2012
at 12:41 PM

Since I'm not likely to follow up here....Yes I find the above mentioned items far more damaging to their mental well being than if they were actively searching out advice and information on paleo hacks.....or ACTIVELY searching out information ANYWHERE for that matter.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 19, 2012
at 01:12 PM

So please feel free to continue following me around to accumulate down votes ;)

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4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

(1085)

on October 18, 2012
at 10:54 PM

As soon as the 14 year old stops getting responses because he or she is 14, he or she will create a new account and suddenly be 21. What can you do? If you're concerned about what your 14 year old is exposed to on the internet then do something about it--at home.

If you are proposing some sort of age verification for PH, I doubt you will get very far. Age verification and identity verification run hand in hand and its been made pretty clear that a large portion of PH members do not want their true identities exposed on the world wide web.

With that said, I'd rather not see 14 year old children posting on PH.

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

(1085)

on October 18, 2012
at 11:03 PM

This answer is in response to the initial question from the OP and the comment "Would you be ok with somebody giving diet advice to your 14 year old?"

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66a7ef84ed129bba4ea2dc3aea26f67f

on October 19, 2012
at 08:01 PM

Well, yes. I know this may seem biased as I am 14 (and the 14 year old that asked about ketosis, infact!) but, honestly. There's so much bad info out there that we can access instantly. This is a safe environment, as safe as it gets, compared to some of the stuff that is out there. Why shield us from good information?

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59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on October 18, 2012
at 11:27 PM

There is a lot of talk about poop on this site, but I think it is okay for a 14 year old to learn about poopy problems.

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Medium avatar

on October 18, 2012
at 11:01 PM

I think kids should be given the chance to formulate their own opinions and explore new options, even in their diets. If they have no one outside of this site to ask for nutritional information who else can they turn to? I'd much rather see a kid on PH trying to improve his diet than kids kept in the dark on the SAD.

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 19, 2012
at 12:26 AM

i agree, im glad i found this site,

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Aa980538051add291860e4602585352c

(193)

on October 18, 2012
at 10:02 PM

I'd be worried about leaving some adults on here.. :P

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on October 18, 2012
at 09:25 PM

How do you stop them? It seems to me the best idea is to answer their questions as honestly and clearly as we can. Now, maybe after we answer the first question, we ask them to get their parents permission to be on here, but I am not sure if that is logistically possible, and obviously the parents are letting them surf the internet anyway, so they are already, in a sense, being permissive.

E253f8ac1d139bf4d0bfb44debd1db21

on October 18, 2012
at 09:59 PM

Would you be ok with somebody giving diet advice to your 14 year old?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on October 18, 2012
at 10:58 PM

There was no paleohacks when I was 14. I went on vegan forums and pro-Ana websites. What's your point? If the parents aren't limiting Internet and there's no logistical way to lock kids out I don't understand the point of discussing this. It sucks but thems the breaks. Lets just be kind to each other and not encourage disordered eating. I think that's the best that can be done.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 19, 2012
at 08:15 PM

A million times THIS! I would rather them say that they are children/teens because those who will give advice can give better advice. Children and teens are still developing their bodies, brains, and a lot is going on with hormones. That should be taken into consideration.

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

(1085)

on October 18, 2012
at 10:45 PM

As soon as the 14 year old stops getting responses because he or she is 14, he or she will create a new account and suddenly be 21. What can you do? If you're concerned about what your 14 year old is exposed to on the internet then do something about it--at home.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on October 19, 2012
at 01:35 PM

Would you be ok with somebody shoving your 14yr old into a classroom and making him or her listen to them drone on about crap they don't care about? On the internet, demand driven education is going on. Think about it. A 14yr old wants to learn something? They know they aren't being taught meaningful stuff. I worry that I can't help more. It isn't easy to write a response that covers all the bases. I also care about the feelings of the parents, but again, I've got to assume the parents see them going on the internet. If I have kids, they'll know this stuff so that is moot.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on October 18, 2012
at 11:31 PM

It would irritate me but I'd just have to hope my kid has good sense and can research things on their own. I'm pretty sure my parents didn't like my veganphase which was largely Internet driven, but they let me come to my own conclusions and I had to learn to cook for myself. Can't keep kids locked in a box forever.

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

(1085)

on October 18, 2012
at 10:47 PM

Paleotype - If you are proposing some sort of age verification for PH you aren't going to get very far. Age verification and identity verification run hand in hand and its been made pretty clear that a large portion of PH members do not want their true identities exposed on the world wide web.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on October 19, 2012
at 01:44 PM

There's also the reality that if you ban them, and they want the info badly enough, many will lie and say they are adults. So, when we write our responses, we end up assuming they've had more life experience than they really have had, which means we are more likely to confuse them.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on November 24, 2012
at 02:19 PM

Definitely think that for liability purposes that if a post is prefaced with "I'm X years old" where X makes them a minor, it needs to be closed.

Of course, that does not stop them from violating the TOS and asking questions without their age, but it does remove some liability from PH.

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1d5dd4c93883ba18a130855830f4dadc

(136)

on October 19, 2012
at 05:45 PM

Well, in their health/science classes in school, I assume they are being taught about "healthy whole grains," and the benefits of a low-fat hi carbohydrate SAD, so I would think PH might not be a bad counter-balance to that. Not sure I see the harm, but that's just me.

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 19, 2012
at 05:38 PM

It's a parents responsibility to monitor where their child goes on the internet and whether not is appropriate for their family. If you don't think that it's appropriate for children to post then don't respond to them. I don't think that any discussion on paleohacks is worse than a pg-13 movie. That being said I think that the kids who post need to understand that this is an adult board and if they want to post they will be treated like adults. No "don't downvote me, I'm only 16!" stuff.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 01, 2012
at 11:08 AM

As a parent myself its my opinion that teenage diet is becoming another challenge for parents. Either kids are becoming overweight or having issues with body image. It can be really challenging to provide a consistent message without it being derailed by unusual ideas such as inducing ketosis for weight loss etc.

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7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on October 18, 2012
at 11:24 PM

Well from time to time there is some NC-17 rated stuff being discussed, so ... But I don't know how you would enforce an age limit in a way that wasn't a pain in the ass.

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on October 19, 2012
at 02:41 AM

Well you know, questions about is this bodily fluid paleo, etc. - you get it. Just search if you want to find it.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on October 19, 2012
at 12:23 AM

Where's this x-rated stuff so I can, umm, review it?

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on October 19, 2012
at 12:18 AM

Honestly, I'd appreciate people just not talking about the X-rated stuff.

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on October 19, 2012
at 05:33 AM

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