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[Meta] Should people have a minimum reputation score to post (like 50, 100, 150) etc to keep the trolls away?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 20, 2012 at 3:18 AM

I'm asking in the context of keeping trolls out. I notice trolls tend to have low reputation scores (sometimes 1). Trolls are time wasters, and the burden to actually do a little work before they post a useless or provocative question would make it less likely they would post.

It might be worth having a minimum reputation (50, 100, 150) so as to encourage people to read posts and comments and vote and participate to improve their reputation scores. When they have earned a minimum they can start asking questions. That way people ask better questions with some background reading rather then something that may have been answered or have a different perspective on an old question.

I'm not saying someone can't ask a great questions with a low reputation score. I just wonder if it's a 20/80 principle where 80% of the trolls are low reputation scorers, and this might be a way for weeding them out and saving the rest of us some time.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 25, 2012
at 12:00 PM

Note that I'm not advocating the OPs solution because I don't think it will have the intended result. I think the discussion of solutions is worthwhile now. I may have to post a different question, since this one with the troll emphasis isn't really the same as what I'm concerned with.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 25, 2012
at 11:57 AM

I'm NOT in favor of having a set of approved paleo answers. Quilt always attracted a number of reasoned rebuttals and criticisms. He was just one person, no matter how prolific. We're experiencing a problem with LOTS of answers without the experience. Once more people here again have more n=1 experience, they can make better arguments for their point of view.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 25, 2012
at 11:52 AM

The point system in any form won't be perfect, and Quilt is IMO a good example of that. I just think we need to find a way to ensure an overall average of better quality advice while such a high percentage of users are new to paleo.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on June 25, 2012
at 11:46 AM

Eh ... How many points does Quilt have?

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 25, 2012
at 11:41 AM

Questions are good. Inexperienced answers are sometimes bad.

6498694060d879a7960b35913539b75f

(1307)

on April 21, 2012
at 02:10 AM

Honestly, I think this is just an example of wanting to limit use of the site to a select few who feel their opinions are are more valuable than everyone else's. And some of the "reputation" scores on here are a joke anyway. I've seen some truly condescending, insulting and unhelpful replies get high scores by their high-fiving paleo buddies. Don't take what is a truly useful site and turn it into an elitist joke.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 20, 2012
at 07:13 PM

Indeed. .... lol

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

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on April 20, 2012
at 04:16 PM

Oh, only stop them posting questions, so that it's the experienced people with good reputation that ask questions and people who haven't been around much who answer them. Yes, that's almost as silly as gaining reputation simply by voting up answers.

F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

(3850)

on April 20, 2012
at 03:24 PM

I think trolling is less of an issue than repetitive questions posted by people who don't take the time to search the site. I personally don't have a problem encouraging people to acutally take some time to read other posts before asking questions.

F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

(3850)

on April 20, 2012
at 03:21 PM

I thought he was only referring to asking questions, not answering them. You could still answer from day 1.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on April 20, 2012
at 02:50 PM

I do :)

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on April 20, 2012
at 02:50 PM

wisper... you don't know the secret to beating that 15 character rule?

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 20, 2012
at 12:32 PM

By voting on other people's questions and answers.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 20, 2012
at 12:29 PM

The troll problem isn't large enough (yet) to warrant such draconian measures. But if it gets really bad, I'd support the idea. And maybe a limit to how many questions you can ask in a day (just kidding).

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 20, 2012
at 12:27 PM

Well u gotz da pointz naow!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 20, 2012
at 12:06 PM

"Sherrif Warren D" does have a nice ring to it though.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 20, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 20, 2012
at 11:58 AM

By being allowed to answer questions but not ask them. The whole idea is silly, anyway.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on April 20, 2012
at 09:44 AM

No. 12 more to go

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on April 20, 2012
at 04:51 AM

While we say this sometimes I figure it can't hurt to say it again: Everybody please flag something if you see something that could use a little flagging! Thanks very much! (PS I don't know anything about how we would change the site along the lines Lady Arwen is exploring. Just wanted to get my flagging message in here.)

7bcdcce584eb132e4c06b8ad2b1d22cc

(644)

on April 20, 2012
at 04:49 AM

Imo not ino...oops

7bcdcce584eb132e4c06b8ad2b1d22cc

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on April 20, 2012
at 04:49 AM

Isn't this punishing the many for the actions of the few? I think trollish behavior is best handled by denying them attention and letting the mods do their job. Troll like behavior really cannot be punished inadvance without creating a very closed community. All ino of course.

1ef2c3bfd6bb37877b02fddc819bebac

(399)

on April 20, 2012
at 04:10 AM

I agree. I am new but I save my postings for when I really do know what I'm talking about. Also, just because I'm new to paleohacks doesn't mean I haven't read the books and done my research.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on April 20, 2012
at 03:34 AM

I don't think so. Some of the most articulate and helpful answers I've seen have been posted by people with 1 reputation point. Some people read for a while and then answer a question on which they have direct experience/expertise.

I agree some questions/answers can be of little value but I just ignore them if I don't think they're sincere. If they do appear to be sincere, I do my best to ask for more info or offer general advice.

1ef2c3bfd6bb37877b02fddc819bebac

(399)

on April 20, 2012
at 04:10 AM

I agree. I am new but I save my postings for when I really do know what I'm talking about. Also, just because I'm new to paleohacks doesn't mean I haven't read the books and done my research.

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F4d04667059bc682540fdfd8b40f13a7

on April 20, 2012
at 04:03 AM

It would be a shame to put those new to Paleo and struggling off asking for help and answers. A lot of people new to the site are new to Paleo too, so probably won't be confident in answering questions inititally.

The moderators seem to do a good job of getting rid of the trolls

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B9a579a02921868db5098bfa99f8221c

on April 20, 2012
at 04:14 AM

I dont have enough points according to you, but why should that make my input less valuable?

What if i have great experience relavent to a particular question? Do i have to hang around voting on paleohacks just to get enough rep points to contribute?

If you suspect a troll, flag and ignore. The most powerful thing about this site is its open nature. Anyone may have uselful answers, often people stumble in off a google search and help out. This is great, helpful and should not change.

Peace

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 20, 2012
at 12:27 PM

Well u gotz da pointz naow!

F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

(3850)

on April 20, 2012
at 03:21 PM

I thought he was only referring to asking questions, not answering them. You could still answer from day 1.

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on April 20, 2012
at 04:42 PM

Snarky comments often get more points than honest answers, so I doubt the issue will be solved by using reputation score.

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78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

on April 20, 2012
at 04:06 AM

Someone new to paleo might have a hard time giving answers because they are just at the starting point themselves (and not have the knowledge and/or experience), so I think this would make it difficult to get enough points to stick around long enough to ask questions.

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Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

on April 20, 2012
at 11:19 AM

How do you earn reputation if you can't post?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 20, 2012
at 07:13 PM

Indeed. .... lol

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 20, 2012
at 12:32 PM

By voting on other people's questions and answers.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on April 20, 2012
at 04:16 PM

Oh, only stop them posting questions, so that it's the experienced people with good reputation that ask questions and people who haven't been around much who answer them. Yes, that's almost as silly as gaining reputation simply by voting up answers.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 20, 2012
at 11:58 AM

By being allowed to answer questions but not ask them. The whole idea is silly, anyway.

3
4d19018c899ad4e4c8a8bff5515449e1

on April 20, 2012
at 08:25 AM

But the only reason I found this site was because I had questions. Granted most were answered by previous people, but the site would lose too much new blood.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 25, 2012
at 11:41 AM

Questions are good. Inexperienced answers are sometimes bad.

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03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 20, 2012
at 12:41 PM

I see very little trolling here, so I wouldn't try to fix something that doesn't appear to be broken. I'm not afraid to flag things, but I've only had a few occasions to do so in more than a year, which is remarkable. Also, what rare trolling I have seen has come from people with plenty of reputation points, who have appointed themselves Defender Of The Truth About XYZ and start filling every thread about XYZ with the same diatribes. That tends to be true on any forum: the worst trolls aren't the newbies; they're the people who have overstayed their welcome. (But that's not a significant problem here either, in my opinion.)

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1bbcd2122d9c75b07440f22ef57d6448

(2934)

on April 20, 2012
at 11:06 AM

I've seen far more earnest questions from 1s than troll posts. I think that It would turn people off to be required to earn the right to ask questions, especially if they're a rank beginner. I think the rating system has been very effective in eliminating troll posts and sorting out the unnecessary and ill-intended.

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on April 20, 2012
at 07:19 AM

We could require points to post a link...

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 25, 2012
at 11:38 AM

There are a LOT of new people here lately due to the growing buzz and popularity of paleo. And that is GOOD. But it brings problems in that there are lots of people here with little familiarity with paleo and how to make it work.

They're out numbering the experienced by a lot, and answering a lot of questions with what may at times be very poor advice. Not through any malicious intent, but because their entire dietary views have been set by the CW. The points system currently encourages them to answer lots of questions to gain reputation.

I think there is some need to adjust the point system to allow for the changes in population here, but IMO it may serve better to allow questions right off, but not allow answers until a points baseline has been reached.

This would result in a lot of repeat questions that could have been found in the archives, but I would prefer some redundancy than see bad advice given and upvoted because someone didn't check the archives.

This may not be the ideal fix with the points system, but given the changing numbers, there needs to be some kind of adjustment.

Added: I think our troll problem exists but is probably no worse than in most internet forums. More problematical may be that the current very high percentage of people with little experience answering questions is leading to sometimes poor advice. We need to find ways to encourage and support newbies, while letting them get the experience they need.

Admittedly, some newbies (to PH) come with lots of paleo experience and would be somewhat penalized by not being able to give answers until rep points go up. We need to figure out what would have the greatest benefit to the community as a whole, including to the newbies and their need for good advice.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 25, 2012
at 11:57 AM

I'm NOT in favor of having a set of approved paleo answers. Quilt always attracted a number of reasoned rebuttals and criticisms. He was just one person, no matter how prolific. We're experiencing a problem with LOTS of answers without the experience. Once more people here again have more n=1 experience, they can make better arguments for their point of view.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on June 25, 2012
at 11:46 AM

Eh ... How many points does Quilt have?

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 25, 2012
at 11:52 AM

The point system in any form won't be perfect, and Quilt is IMO a good example of that. I just think we need to find a way to ensure an overall average of better quality advice while such a high percentage of users are new to paleo.

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A15af22bd729ec030e8f47d1189b6eaf

(774)

on April 20, 2012
at 11:43 AM

How about introducing badges/rewards for diligent flaggers? Just to encourage people to keep their eyes peeled ... which is not to say that this community isn't already expertly moderated ...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 20, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 20, 2012
at 12:06 PM

"Sherrif Warren D" does have a nice ring to it though.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 20, 2012
at 07:03 AM

Ooh scary trolls. Man the defences!

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