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Sudden onset menopause question

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 28, 2012 at 2:07 AM

So I was rereading Taubes book, " Why We Get Fat," where he explains that when you remove the ovaries from a rat they get fat no matter how many or few calories they eat. He uses this to explain weight gain after menopause.

So...in two weeks I start chemoradiation which will fry my ovaries and send me quickly into menopause. One more thing to be scared about, and I am scared! It seems there is nothing I can do to avoid becoming an estrogen lacking blob, sitting on the couch, starving but fat, no matter what I do? Any help or advice? I'm feeling very upset :-/

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on June 29, 2012
at 05:02 AM

My mom had her ovaries removed in her late twenties. She did not balloon up! She remained quite slim. ((hugs))

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 29, 2012
at 01:31 AM

Sending lots of positive vibes your way! Please let us know how you are doing. Hugs

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 29, 2012
at 12:58 AM

Crowlover TY, having a plan of action is making me feel so much better

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 29, 2012
at 12:57 AM

Oh and I can get it on my kindle :-)

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 29, 2012
at 12:56 AM

Baba that was a huge concern since my original surgeon prescribed High dose estrogen after my hysterectomy. I will always wonder if that sped up the recurrence, three months later. I am having the histology tested with foundation medicine to find out what mutations are there.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 29, 2012
at 12:51 AM

Well, ideally I don't want to be skinny fat, or frail. I'd like to stay strong, not necessarily skinny and flabby

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 29, 2012
at 12:49 AM

Dragonfly thank you so much. I am beyond grateful for everyones help and knowledge.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 29, 2012
at 12:46 AM

@MathGirl72: oh my e-mail is bigfatfluffy at g mail dot com. ty

Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

(2799)

on June 28, 2012
at 05:58 PM

I'll start over. She said menopause would make her "an estrogen lacking blob, sitting on the couch, starving but fat, no matter what I do'. This obviously isn't the case since all old women are not fat. See where the old woman part comes into this now? You know what is offensive here? The remark that men shouldn't be commenting in this thread.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 28, 2012
at 05:14 PM

Rob Im not assuming anything - Im telling you that your comment comes off, reads as, both rude (or insensitive actually, not so much rude) AND condescending AND it doesnt give useful info to Chinaeskimo. Her age had NOTHING to do with her concern. Most men would have nothing to add to this discussion anyway, most, there are some who know useful things about menopause and/or hormones but honestly why even answer this Q? If you were trying to make her feel better (and I believe you if you say that was your intention) then you need to know that this is not how it came across.

Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

(2799)

on June 28, 2012
at 04:42 PM

You assume my intent was to be rude. She assumes my intent was to be condescending. You're both wrong, but this is the internet so it's par for the course.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 28, 2012
at 04:25 PM

I agree with Mathgirl72 Rob. It comes off rude and doesn't add any useful info to Chinaeskimo as her Q has NOTHING to do with being Old. You are in fact the one assuming.

Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

(2799)

on June 28, 2012
at 04:18 PM

Nothing condescending about it at all. Stop assuming.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 28, 2012
at 04:13 PM

Or you could quit being an ass and try to be supportive. Your answer adds nothing to the conversation and is VERY condescending.

Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

(2799)

on June 28, 2012
at 03:28 PM

Ok...OP says menopause leads to inevitable weight gain...this makes me wonder why all older women aren't fat..next time I'll use lots of simple, short, clearly connected statements for the downvoter crowd.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 28, 2012
at 12:47 PM

((hugs)) I hope you are feeling better today. I'd like to suggest reading something enjoyable that will allow you to get out of your own head for a bit. Worrying isn't helping you heal! I sent an email to the address listed on your website last week. Feel free to email me if you want to chat.

7e36094a0f7a2fbad24290225405220b

(2064)

on June 28, 2012
at 07:12 AM

This is a great book. It's the one I read when I was really suffering with menopausal symptoms. I've followed the advice and never looked back!

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 28, 2012
at 06:43 AM

I agree baba but any doc who knows what they are doing would not give her anything that would increase her risk of cancer. Estrogen does NOT cause cancer... also any doc who knows about bio-id hormone balancing would check ALL,not just estrogen. I am almost certain that all they links between hrt and a risk of cancer have been both disputed and also were not with bio-identical (like human) hormones... correct me anybody if I am wrong.

Ff1dbd6cecad1e69a8234fb2c2c5c5ed

(1409)

on June 28, 2012
at 05:24 AM

I can second the great effects of BHRT, but as the chemoradiation is probably for cancer, you should also check if the cancer is by any chance estrogen-sensitive. And while you're at it: check testosterone and progesterone too, you need them just as much as estrogen.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 28, 2012
at 04:12 AM

and for every one, there are is another who is overweight or obese. Anyway Rob, Chinaeskimo is not old. Wth...

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 28, 2012
at 02:25 AM

synthetic hormones are BAD news for a lot of reasons. Bio-identical are fine, and often necessary. Mercola has an interview of Dr. Wright that you might want to watch. lmk if you can't find it and I will. Non of the research showing bad things about hrt is with Bio-identicals and there is a difference. The book and interview explains. Good stuff. Saved my life.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 28, 2012
at 02:20 AM

Thank you. Bioidentical hormones are okay? I hear so much bad stuff about regular hormones...

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on June 28, 2012
at 07:07 AM

(((Hugs))) Your ovaries are not the only source of estrogen in our body. Your body fat is the main source after menopause. (but that doesn't mean that you need to be fat!)

You may find this book helpful:

http://www.amazon.com/What-Your-Doctor-About-Menopause/dp/B0027B0FLO/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340867165&sr=1-1&keywords=%22what+your+doctor+may+not+tell+you+about+menopause

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 29, 2012
at 12:49 AM

Dragonfly thank you so much. I am beyond grateful for everyones help and knowledge.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 29, 2012
at 12:57 AM

Oh and I can get it on my kindle :-)

7e36094a0f7a2fbad24290225405220b

(2064)

on June 28, 2012
at 07:12 AM

This is a great book. It's the one I read when I was really suffering with menopausal symptoms. I've followed the advice and never looked back!

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7e36094a0f7a2fbad24290225405220b

(2064)

on June 28, 2012
at 07:07 AM

Look at www.npis.info. The body still makes some oestrogen after menopause but progesterone production stops completely. Bio identical HRT is the way to go but get tested for hormone levels. I am way past the menopause and use bio identical progesterone cream.

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80890193d74240cab6dda920665bfb6c

(1528)

on June 28, 2012
at 06:36 AM

It's not too late I hope to have some eggs frozen? You may want to have children later, perhaps with a surrogate mother or other means.

Menopause is difficult, but there is support. You can get through this. Best wishes.

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4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

on June 28, 2012
at 02:12 AM

So Sorry to hear this.

THERE IS SOMETHING TO DO AND YOU WILL DO IT - SO DO NOT WORRY!!!!!

Please please please see an ND or MD who does bio-identical hormone replacement therapy (hrt), which are typically creams to avoid upsetting your gut and liver.

And thank you for pointing out for everyone one of my pet-peeves... this notion that Estrogen makes women fat when it is the opposite (low estrogen can lead to weight gain). Im like a broken record on that point.

I really like Jonathan Wright's book on Bio-Identical hormones.

Stay Young & Sexy with Bio-Identical Hormone by Jonathan V. Wright, Lane Lenard

Also, these sites can help you locate a doctor for bio-identical hrt http://foreverhealth.com/

http://www.acamnet.org/site/c.ltJWJ4MPIwE/b.5420171/k.BD4C/Home.htm Amercan Academy for advancement of science

Hang in you will be fine (but will likey need bio-id hrt, you are too young for no low estrogen!)

Virtual Hug :)

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 28, 2012
at 02:20 AM

Thank you. Bioidentical hormones are okay? I hear so much bad stuff about regular hormones...

Ff1dbd6cecad1e69a8234fb2c2c5c5ed

(1409)

on June 28, 2012
at 05:24 AM

I can second the great effects of BHRT, but as the chemoradiation is probably for cancer, you should also check if the cancer is by any chance estrogen-sensitive. And while you're at it: check testosterone and progesterone too, you need them just as much as estrogen.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 28, 2012
at 02:25 AM

synthetic hormones are BAD news for a lot of reasons. Bio-identical are fine, and often necessary. Mercola has an interview of Dr. Wright that you might want to watch. lmk if you can't find it and I will. Non of the research showing bad things about hrt is with Bio-identicals and there is a difference. The book and interview explains. Good stuff. Saved my life.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 29, 2012
at 12:58 AM

Crowlover TY, having a plan of action is making me feel so much better

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 28, 2012
at 06:43 AM

I agree baba but any doc who knows what they are doing would not give her anything that would increase her risk of cancer. Estrogen does NOT cause cancer... also any doc who knows about bio-id hormone balancing would check ALL,not just estrogen. I am almost certain that all they links between hrt and a risk of cancer have been both disputed and also were not with bio-identical (like human) hormones... correct me anybody if I am wrong.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 29, 2012
at 01:31 AM

Sending lots of positive vibes your way! Please let us know how you are doing. Hugs

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 29, 2012
at 12:56 AM

Baba that was a huge concern since my original surgeon prescribed High dose estrogen after my hysterectomy. I will always wonder if that sped up the recurrence, three months later. I am having the histology tested with foundation medicine to find out what mutations are there.

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6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

on March 19, 2013
at 04:11 PM

I took it as positive too. Not all women get fat in middle age by any means.

0
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on July 19, 2012
at 07:30 PM

I liked reading Rob's comment. I took it as he intended. Reading that reminded me that the battle of weight may be more within my control, and I'm not doomed because I'm perimenopausal.

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Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

(2799)

on June 28, 2012
at 03:21 AM

I know plenty of skinny old women..

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 28, 2012
at 04:12 AM

and for every one, there are is another who is overweight or obese. Anyway Rob, Chinaeskimo is not old. Wth...

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 28, 2012
at 05:14 PM

Rob Im not assuming anything - Im telling you that your comment comes off, reads as, both rude (or insensitive actually, not so much rude) AND condescending AND it doesnt give useful info to Chinaeskimo. Her age had NOTHING to do with her concern. Most men would have nothing to add to this discussion anyway, most, there are some who know useful things about menopause and/or hormones but honestly why even answer this Q? If you were trying to make her feel better (and I believe you if you say that was your intention) then you need to know that this is not how it came across.

Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

(2799)

on June 28, 2012
at 03:28 PM

Ok...OP says menopause leads to inevitable weight gain...this makes me wonder why all older women aren't fat..next time I'll use lots of simple, short, clearly connected statements for the downvoter crowd.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 28, 2012
at 04:13 PM

Or you could quit being an ass and try to be supportive. Your answer adds nothing to the conversation and is VERY condescending.

Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

(2799)

on June 28, 2012
at 04:42 PM

You assume my intent was to be rude. She assumes my intent was to be condescending. You're both wrong, but this is the internet so it's par for the course.

Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

(2799)

on June 28, 2012
at 05:58 PM

I'll start over. She said menopause would make her "an estrogen lacking blob, sitting on the couch, starving but fat, no matter what I do'. This obviously isn't the case since all old women are not fat. See where the old woman part comes into this now? You know what is offensive here? The remark that men shouldn't be commenting in this thread.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 28, 2012
at 04:25 PM

I agree with Mathgirl72 Rob. It comes off rude and doesn't add any useful info to Chinaeskimo as her Q has NOTHING to do with being Old. You are in fact the one assuming.

Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

(2799)

on June 28, 2012
at 04:18 PM

Nothing condescending about it at all. Stop assuming.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 29, 2012
at 12:51 AM

Well, ideally I don't want to be skinny fat, or frail. I'd like to stay strong, not necessarily skinny and flabby

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