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Are physicians some of the unhealthiest people you know?

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Created September 20, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Ok that's rhetorical but I've really been impressed lately by how totally failing to thrive most of the conventional physicians I know are. Is this anecdotal support for the failure of our mainstream medical model? Do you find the same or do you know conventional MDs who are strong and healthy?

E95216c62a14d21c371fcbf2fed8469b

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on September 22, 2011
at 11:30 AM

I don't know if anyone has scientifically studied it. I thought it was a cliche till began to work as a nurse aide then I became a nurse and it gave me insight into how much STRESS there is. I can only speak about my experience as a 3-11 charge nurse in an old folk's home. The stress comes from high patient load with more problems per patient and all the rest. As all paleo types know, you don't reach for healthy food when under stress. The only shortage there is in LTC are people willing to take care of old folks in the afternoons LOL

B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

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on September 21, 2011
at 11:30 PM

Modern medicine needs to be science based. The problem is that the science, on many key principles, is simply wrong. i.e. saturated fat will give you heart disease. The bigger issue here, I believe, seems to be when science gets caught up in politics.

306aa57660d911781231f8090c2a5619

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on September 21, 2011
at 08:53 PM

How does the fact that lots of non-doctors are overworked/stressed in any way negate what she said? Lots of non-doctors suffer from health problems associated with a stressful lifestyle, too. Healthcare is just one field that is particularly prone to it, due to the high level of responsibility and 24/7 nature.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on September 21, 2011
at 05:29 PM

There was almost no chance of the patients at that clinic to get better. One psychiatrist gave out meds like candy, the other was determined to rule out physical problems first -but was so old, forgetful, and disorganize that her patients were the worst off at the whole practice. (She lost patients whole files outside the office!!)

3dc940ac9be21e45cf83207814c8cd46

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on September 21, 2011
at 02:06 PM

Olivia....I don't get your meaning. Docs and other health folks such as gov't dieticians, in my experience, DO perpetuate CW. Some science-based medicine is perhaps the opposite of CW, such as that uncovered by folks such as Robb Wolf, but most medicine promotes, e.g. low-fat.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 21, 2011
at 11:55 AM

Thats BS - lots of people are overworking now and have lots of stress, underpaid etc. In all kinds of jobs there is shortage of qualified people.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 21, 2011
at 11:53 AM

Thats BS - lots of people are overworking now and have lots of stress, underpaid etc.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on September 21, 2011
at 06:01 AM

Science based medicine is closer to the opposite of blindly applying conventional wisdom. Though it seems that most people here actually just throw around "CW" to refer to anything at all that they don't agree with, without actually thinking about what it refers to.

D22aa8bfa71a548a5e8268352d8109c2

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on September 21, 2011
at 05:35 AM

Yes, they are bound by CW which in most cases sees what are actually symptoms as the actual disease.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on September 21, 2011
at 01:41 AM

Awesome quote!!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on September 21, 2011
at 01:40 AM

Plus one.......

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

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on September 20, 2011
at 11:36 PM

i was a mental health counselor turned chiropractor. too tired of seeing people NOT get better.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on September 20, 2011
at 07:36 PM

My sister is a nurse and she's in pretty good shape but I know it's hard for her. Long hours, craziness, and running around + life in general. I don't think anyone in the medical field is "unhealthy" by choice.. I think their schedule just really takes a toll depending on the field they're in.. and those are the results we see.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on September 20, 2011
at 06:11 PM

All my aunts are nurses. They are all pretty out of shape, worn out, etc. It's not an easy career path for sure

306aa57660d911781231f8090c2a5619

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on September 20, 2011
at 05:14 PM

Yes, this. Also, healthcare professionals often have horrendous schedules and can't get anything even vaguely resembling optimal sleep - hospitals don't close down during the night.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

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on September 20, 2011
at 04:31 PM

ride by the part of the hospital where the respiratory techs work...FULL OF SMOKERS (i use to smoke and enjoyed the calming feeling but hated the rest so please dont flame me) but we used to talk to them about watching their patients dying from empysema and they said, ya we know but its stressful! ....I agree though, if your DR isnt interested or knowledgeable in changing his health what makes me confident he can help me?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 20, 2011
at 04:20 PM

I don't understand when I see the staff at the hospitals smoke on there breaks.

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

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on September 20, 2011
at 03:59 PM

great point!!!!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 20, 2011
at 03:43 PM

And on that note, the hospital dieticians look bad too!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 20, 2011
at 03:42 PM

I recently switched from an unhealthy, pasty-faced diabetic (heart attack survivor) doctor who was unwilling to discuss my thyroid issues to a much healthier looking unthreatened doc who will listen and discuss. It is hard to follow advice from someone who looks far worse than you do!

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485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

on September 20, 2011
at 06:12 PM

Most of the health professionals I know are true believers in the low fat religion, so they take the same meds and follow the same guidelines they recommend to their patients. And it shows.

One of the healthiest physicians I ever knew was my wife's gynecologist, who unfortunately retired years ago. His secret? Red meat. For a time when my wife was seeing him we were vegan/macrobiotic. He expressed concern, but fortunately she was young and healthy enough for all her tests to be normal. Later we discovered that he was right all along.

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B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on September 20, 2011
at 05:15 PM

Yes. And they are the first to look at you as if you are talking about flying saucers once you mention diet as a cure to many diseases.

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E95216c62a14d21c371fcbf2fed8469b

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on September 20, 2011
at 03:39 PM

Yes on the surface. HOWEVER, once I became a nurse, I immediately understood why many health professionals are so seemingly unhealthy, fat, addicted,etc. Doctors, esp in the rural areas where i live, are overworked and underpaid because of a shortage of primary care docs willing to work in the era of Hope and Change-itis. It is a lot of stress and with stress comes coping mechanisms that aren't the best options for us. I don't know how healthy my primary care doc is but she looks good.

306aa57660d911781231f8090c2a5619

(3808)

on September 20, 2011
at 05:14 PM

Yes, this. Also, healthcare professionals often have horrendous schedules and can't get anything even vaguely resembling optimal sleep - hospitals don't close down during the night.

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

(1186)

on September 20, 2011
at 03:59 PM

great point!!!!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on September 21, 2011
at 01:40 AM

Plus one.......

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 21, 2011
at 11:55 AM

Thats BS - lots of people are overworking now and have lots of stress, underpaid etc. In all kinds of jobs there is shortage of qualified people.

306aa57660d911781231f8090c2a5619

(3808)

on September 21, 2011
at 08:53 PM

How does the fact that lots of non-doctors are overworked/stressed in any way negate what she said? Lots of non-doctors suffer from health problems associated with a stressful lifestyle, too. Healthcare is just one field that is particularly prone to it, due to the high level of responsibility and 24/7 nature.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 21, 2011
at 11:53 AM

Thats BS - lots of people are overworking now and have lots of stress, underpaid etc.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 20, 2011
at 06:11 PM

All my aunts are nurses. They are all pretty out of shape, worn out, etc. It's not an easy career path for sure

E95216c62a14d21c371fcbf2fed8469b

(1867)

on September 22, 2011
at 11:30 AM

I don't know if anyone has scientifically studied it. I thought it was a cliche till began to work as a nurse aide then I became a nurse and it gave me insight into how much STRESS there is. I can only speak about my experience as a 3-11 charge nurse in an old folk's home. The stress comes from high patient load with more problems per patient and all the rest. As all paleo types know, you don't reach for healthy food when under stress. The only shortage there is in LTC are people willing to take care of old folks in the afternoons LOL

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93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on September 20, 2011
at 07:01 PM

I wonder if this whole bass-ackward low-fat heart-healthy fiasco is caused or perpetuated by the presence of the big money boys in medicine? I mean, during my own brush with heart disease, it became pretty darn apparent that they hoped to put me on every therapy they had until my last nickel was gone. It's business.

If Jesus comes back, he won't won't be swinging his shepherd's staff at piles of shekels in the temple, he'll be swinging an axe at the hospitable, lopping off the heads of rich insurance creeps.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on September 21, 2011
at 01:41 AM

Awesome quote!!

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F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on September 20, 2011
at 05:05 PM

Saw a nurse once so out of breath and obese as she came to my MIL's hospital bed, we offered her the bed!

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78972387772c994caa78513a83978437

on September 21, 2011
at 01:35 PM

Yes, and this all starts in med school (referring to doctors). My husband is currently a medical student rounding in the hospital, and he and his classmates work anywhere from 10-18 hours/day, and then have to come home and study/try to prepare a meal. They rarely get weekends off. Spending ~$40K/year and a work schedule like that equals a recipe for disaster- stuffing crackers in your whitecoat pocket and living off of lasagna and rice.

In addition, I believe Taubes spent years compiling research and writing GCBC, whereas medical students MAYBE receive one or two lectures on nutrition during their schooling (and it consists of 'eat a balanced diet low in saturated fat and high in whole grains'). My husband lamented about the pediatric endocrinologist that he worked with that was managing his patients' diabetes. His answer to his obese patients were to 'reduce calories' 'stop eating junk food', which are ambiguous statements that lead to failure, just causing patients to continue being unhealthy.

It all strikes me as very strange because I learned about cell proliferation pathways/IGF/cancer/etc. throughout my undergraduate career which made me see the health benefits of low-carb on a molecular level, so I don't understand why this isn't elaborated more during Medical school/healthcare education.

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5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on September 21, 2011
at 11:47 AM

I know a lot of med students and the majority of them are simply good at studying material and passing tests.

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F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on September 20, 2011
at 09:26 PM

In the mental Health Care field, (the 12 providers I worked for -as an admin) were all crazy as hell and nearly all of them were grossly obese or verging on a rail thin eating disorder. WORST JOB EVER, by the way.

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on September 20, 2011
at 11:36 PM

i was a mental health counselor turned chiropractor. too tired of seeing people NOT get better.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on September 21, 2011
at 05:29 PM

There was almost no chance of the patients at that clinic to get better. One psychiatrist gave out meds like candy, the other was determined to rule out physical problems first -but was so old, forgetful, and disorganize that her patients were the worst off at the whole practice. (She lost patients whole files outside the office!!)

1
26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on September 21, 2011
at 12:03 PM

Yes, most of the doctors and nurses I know are overweight (especially in their stomachs) and look/act much older than their years. Many also have serious health problems. This goes double for anyone who works in a hospital... the crazy hours (working long shifts and overnights), chronic stress (is there a hospital in the world that's well-managed and not understaffed??), and absolute shit food there are a deadly trifecta.

I can't remember meeting a single dietitian/nutritionist yet who wasn't quite fat, although most I've met are younger women and otherwise hearty.

A scary-large number of female mental health professionals have eating disorders, IMO (always beginning with vegetarianism). Interestingly almost all the crazy ED girls I went to high school with were psych majors, and are now practicing.

It's very sad thing to me that medical professionals are generally much more health-conscious than the general population, and they have constant exposure to information. But they mostly follow CW, and they end up worse off than a lot of people who don't give a shit about their health.

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B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

(5242)

on September 21, 2011
at 05:23 AM

Conventional medical professionals are trained how to treat illness and disease. Within the confines of their training and knowledge they typically do a great job of it. Unfortunately they're not trained on how to thrive as a happy healthy human being - or how to become one if you're not.

IMHO they should stick to illness/disease advice and stay away from health advice ?? la Dr. Oz & Co.

(Of course in a perfect world they would have this knowledge and tackle medical issues with more of an evolutionary perspective. One day, maybe).

3dc940ac9be21e45cf83207814c8cd46

(544)

on September 21, 2011
at 02:06 PM

Olivia....I don't get your meaning. Docs and other health folks such as gov't dieticians, in my experience, DO perpetuate CW. Some science-based medicine is perhaps the opposite of CW, such as that uncovered by folks such as Robb Wolf, but most medicine promotes, e.g. low-fat.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on September 21, 2011
at 06:01 AM

Science based medicine is closer to the opposite of blindly applying conventional wisdom. Though it seems that most people here actually just throw around "CW" to refer to anything at all that they don't agree with, without actually thinking about what it refers to.

D22aa8bfa71a548a5e8268352d8109c2

(0)

on September 21, 2011
at 05:35 AM

Yes, they are bound by CW which in most cases sees what are actually symptoms as the actual disease.

B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

(5242)

on September 21, 2011
at 11:30 PM

Modern medicine needs to be science based. The problem is that the science, on many key principles, is simply wrong. i.e. saturated fat will give you heart disease. The bigger issue here, I believe, seems to be when science gets caught up in politics.

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on September 20, 2011
at 11:15 PM

The two GPs I've had in Eugene seem to be pretty healthy. They're around my age, with kids, and they're both slender, although my ex-GP always struck me as pasty and low-energy, despite being slim. My current GP looks terrific and has energy to burn. The kicker is they're both vegetarians, lol.

I'll be curious how well they age. My ex-doc buys the whole anti-meat/fat business, while my current one's a veggie b/c she doesn't want to be involved with animal deaths (but healthwise she supports me in my way of eating). I don't know how pill-happy either one of them are. They're both somewhat hippie-ish, so maybe they stay away from meds more than most docs.

On the other hand, nearly the entire staff in both their offices looks awful. They're not just overweight, but they almost all talk and move as if they're in pain -- much the way I used to talk and move. Of course, that describes most of the people I see these days, so I don't know that it's confined to medical folks.

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22424c9eef944ade83d4e4ffda907056

(1402)

on September 20, 2011
at 07:20 PM

I used to work at an office of 4 physicians. Out of around 50 employees, all 4 were of the ~10 employees that you could consider close to a healthy weight. However, one insisted to me time and time again that teriyaki chicken (yeah, the garbage takeout stuff) was healthy.

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on September 20, 2011
at 05:14 PM

Let me tell you about two of the doctors in our town :

  • The first one is a sports doctor. They're the typical family eating salt-free bread, limited red meat, ... And not one of his 3 sons does sports. One of the sons has asthma and is very skinny and weak, the second one is quite fat, the last one is fine. It's not that bad, but wait till you hear about the second doctor.
  • The second doctor has 2 children, a girl and a boy. The boy has my age, and was fat his whole life. The girl was fat her whole life too. They couldn't run 100m without losing their breath and sweating like ... something that sweats a lot. That's why they often got bullied, unfortunately. But the funny thing was : their eating habits were bad (lots of cake), and they were never allowed to leave the house.

I'm amazed that some physicians just don't educate their children. Apparently, they think life is all about having good results at school, but they fail to realize children will have better results when they get healthier.

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