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Did anyone see the Pro-hCG diet article on Slate?

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Created October 21, 2011 at 12:37 AM

Did anyone else see this headline: I Tried a Fad Diet Off the Internet and It Worked! and really, really hope that paleo wasn't the "fad" talked about?

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on October 21, 2011
at 11:22 PM

trjones I have seen very few side effects from HCG patients. I think they dont use it long enough to really see a major issue and I think the original protocol (rarely followed) gets most people off it before they occur. I have seen several male patients on long term HCG treatment for hypogonadism from excessive propecia and avodart use and their were some issues present there. Any drug can cause side effects when it is given too long or for the incorrect reasons.

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on October 21, 2011
at 11:18 PM

Dan your are right. Their is copius amounts of data on HCG use on men with hypogonadism. Many people fall into the pregnancy hormone logic and dont realize that the real effect is to modulate how the hypothalamus responds to calorie deprivation. I think HCG folks have to be be treated a bit differently than those who have never tried it because their hypothalamus does not react to circadian signals as a normal person would. This is why the diet fascinates me as me a clinician.

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on October 21, 2011
at 07:34 PM

It is interesting that The Quilt/Dr. Kruse has the following that he does here on Paleo Hacks.

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on October 21, 2011
at 07:18 PM

Any citation for this Jack?

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on October 21, 2011
at 03:53 AM

Interesting, Jack. If true, this may be (part of?) why men on TRT who use hCG along with test often claim to feel better than those who use test alone...

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on October 21, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Quilt, what are your thoughts on side effects of the hormone. Seems like injecting pregnancy hormones when you're not (or can't get) pregnant might not be the best idea.

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on October 21, 2011
at 02:50 AM

Partial activation of the mu receptor at low hcg doses. The funny part about this for non believers......go try to eat 500 calories without taking hcg and see how far you get. When one gets the injection hunger decreases to allow this. It makes living on the hcg even possible. It does this by using older out moded vestigal appetite circuots that have been upgraded by new evolution. This is why the diet fascinated me and how i became to construct the leptin rx

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on October 21, 2011
at 12:51 AM

can you make the title into a question?

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on October 21, 2011
at 01:45 AM

I liked this comment:

I am a physician who loves slate, and reads it like a newspaper everyday (over 10 years). This is the dumbest article I have ever read on this otherwise outstanding publication. This would stand out as the most inane fluff even in US Weekly or Cosmopolitan. Severe calorie restriction is a proven weight loss tool. Whatever "thing" somebody sells you to motivate you to do this is arbitrary. Make no mistake about it, this is the 17,000,000th incarnation of snake oil for the sole purpose of making money.

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on October 21, 2011
at 02:32 AM

What's the proposed MOA? Obviously for men it does up testosterone by mimicking LH...what if anything else?

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on October 21, 2011
at 03:53 AM

Interesting, Jack. If true, this may be (part of?) why men on TRT who use hCG along with test often claim to feel better than those who use test alone...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 21, 2011
at 02:50 AM

Partial activation of the mu receptor at low hcg doses. The funny part about this for non believers......go try to eat 500 calories without taking hcg and see how far you get. When one gets the injection hunger decreases to allow this. It makes living on the hcg even possible. It does this by using older out moded vestigal appetite circuots that have been upgraded by new evolution. This is why the diet fascinated me and how i became to construct the leptin rx

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on October 21, 2011
at 07:18 PM

Any citation for this Jack?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 21, 2011
at 11:22 PM

trjones I have seen very few side effects from HCG patients. I think they dont use it long enough to really see a major issue and I think the original protocol (rarely followed) gets most people off it before they occur. I have seen several male patients on long term HCG treatment for hypogonadism from excessive propecia and avodart use and their were some issues present there. Any drug can cause side effects when it is given too long or for the incorrect reasons.

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on October 21, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Quilt, what are your thoughts on side effects of the hormone. Seems like injecting pregnancy hormones when you're not (or can't get) pregnant might not be the best idea.

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

(2861)

on October 21, 2011
at 07:34 PM

It is interesting that The Quilt/Dr. Kruse has the following that he does here on Paleo Hacks.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 21, 2011
at 11:18 PM

Dan your are right. Their is copius amounts of data on HCG use on men with hypogonadism. Many people fall into the pregnancy hormone logic and dont realize that the real effect is to modulate how the hypothalamus responds to calorie deprivation. I think HCG folks have to be be treated a bit differently than those who have never tried it because their hypothalamus does not react to circadian signals as a normal person would. This is why the diet fascinates me as me a clinician.

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on October 21, 2011
at 11:42 PM

I'm going to re-quote the doctor's comments that Travis quoted below. I wish to heaven we would stop talking about HCG. It seriously turns my stomach.

I am a physician who loves slate, and reads it like a newspaper everyday (over 10 years). This is the dumbest article I have ever read on this otherwise outstanding publication. This would stand out as the most inane fluff even in US Weekly or Cosmopolitan. Severe calorie restriction is a proven weight loss tool. Whatever "thing" somebody sells you to motivate you to do this is arbitrary. Make no mistake about it, this is the 17,000,000th incarnation of snake oil for the sole purpose of making money.

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on October 21, 2011
at 06:44 PM

I saw it as well. I think it's a crock. Of course you will lose weight eating 500 calories a day. Sadly two women in my office are using it and I asked one of them (kindly) after she said she had lost so many pounds, what the % of BF was lost. She's like I don't care about that. I had to just smile. I wanted to be like well good luck with the muscle loss.

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