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What's better? Going Veggie vs Conventional Meat

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 11, 2012 at 3:01 AM

So let's say you can only afford or only have access to organic/grass fed meat say....once every couple of months. Are you better off going vegetarian or eating conventional meat with all the hormones/antibiotics etc?

707342e3cb97e0fc088917919a154b8a

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on July 12, 2012
at 06:29 PM

I used to live in NYC-- and it can be actually quite reasonable (I know that sounds crazy, but hear me out)-- especially if you can get rid of your vehicles and rely solely on public transit (easier to do in NYC than the 'burbs, I know)-- as soon as my kids are grown, the hubs and I are moving back to NYC (we're in FL now) immediately-- yes, we'll give up space but with the ability to get rid of both cars (and all of the associated expenses) plus lowering our utilities, it's well worth it to us. Best of luck with your budgeting-- and, more importantly, your health.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 12, 2012
at 04:45 AM

You're right. Time to budget. Veggies are much cheaper, for some reason, even organic. Meat is almost four times the price. I live in NY, maybe that accounts for it?

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 12, 2012
at 04:44 AM

I sometimes wish I didn't live just outside NYC - one of the most expensive places on Earth.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 12, 2012
at 04:43 AM

Haha, would you believe I already have a huge stand up filled to the brim with meat for the dogs? Too bad it is all mixed with bone and not fit for human consumption!

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:08 PM

Excellent suggestion. The ethnic markets tend to have dirt cheap prices on fresh produce -- and a really wide selection...some interesting off-the-beaten-path stuff you won't even find at a regular supermarket. Usually lower prices on meat too -- like you said, not organic, grassfed, anointed by angles, but still REAL FOOD (and better than lentils and couscous!)

707342e3cb97e0fc088917919a154b8a

(1657)

on July 11, 2012
at 10:55 AM

The point of my point was to show that grassfed protein didn't necessarily have to be any more expensive than conventional. And, to your point, that's why I wrote, "I realize that there are times that there's just no room in the budget whatsoever"-- there are oftentimes people who don't earn enough, but often it's the inefficient spending on everything else that's the culprit. There are always (sometimes unpalatable) options to reduce your overhead/spending: take in a roommate, move in with family, sell or trade in your car for a less expensive one, bike/walk instead of drive.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on July 11, 2012
at 09:40 AM

Not everyone has money. Some of us work low-paying jobs.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 11, 2012
at 04:04 AM

Well, my first suggestion would be to sit down and write out a budget of all income and all expenses. Before you can even have the afformentioned discusion, you have to know what your baseline is. Maybe you can't afford veggies either? To say you buy what you need is to say you can buy meat because you need it, your body needs it. If you write out a budget you will then know what you have to work with.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 11, 2012
at 03:34 AM

I don't keep track: I just buy what I need.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 11, 2012
at 03:12 AM

That didn't answer my question. How much money do you currently spend on food?

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 11, 2012
at 03:10 AM

I didn't want to whine, but even with insurance, I have medical costs up the wazoo - we're talking in excess of $1000 a month for stuff insurance won't cover/ so it's either meat or the mortgage right now :-/

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on July 11, 2012
at 03:08 AM

Well...animals have detoxification systems to mitigate the effects of toxins from environment/farmers. And various parts of the body don't necessarily store toxins.

Nowadays, it's not hard to find cheap "ok" quality meat.

I say CAFO > vegetarian. At least with CAFO you can get all of your nutritional requirements.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on July 11, 2012
at 06:21 AM

My health improved immensely switching from a vegetarian diet to a diet with conventional meat, and then made another bit of a leap when I switched to mostly pastured. I wouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of pretty good here.

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7eba3d743671649c1e06cacce0ba4e77

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on July 11, 2012
at 05:07 AM

Your local asian grocery store(or other ethic market depending on the item) is your best friend, I know it's my best friend. You wont be buying anything grassfed/organic but you can buy all kinds(literally) of meats, bones, offal for SO CHEAP. You can buy lean cuts of meat and supplement that with other fats of your choice or just eat the fatty cuts. Asian grocery stores usually have several types of eggs, such as chicken, duck, quail etc. Maybe you can limit your muscle meat consumption to only ground beef/whatever else animal(here at the asian grocery in Canada, 1 pound of ground beef is $2.00). Even though everything is not organic/pastured, it is way better than succumbing to a life sucking vegetarian/vegan diet(which I was on before encountering WAPF/paleo). I hope all goes well for you!

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 11, 2012
at 01:08 PM

Excellent suggestion. The ethnic markets tend to have dirt cheap prices on fresh produce -- and a really wide selection...some interesting off-the-beaten-path stuff you won't even find at a regular supermarket. Usually lower prices on meat too -- like you said, not organic, grassfed, anointed by angles, but still REAL FOOD (and better than lentils and couscous!)

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on July 11, 2012
at 03:05 AM

Liver is still on the menu....even if its CAFO. May consider leaner cuts.....Or just sell some crap and cancel your internet so you can buy better meat :)....just kidding, but I would stick to ruminants is all. I don't think I'd really change a thing in the end since I eat primarily beef, eggs, and organs anyhow.

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707342e3cb97e0fc088917919a154b8a

on July 11, 2012
at 03:07 AM

I'm not sure if you're asking in a hypothetical way or because you're forced to make this choice yourself-- but if it's a practical question, grassfed chicken, beef and the like doesn't have to be as expensive as you might think.

By cowpooling and buying directly from farms (even if they're not local-- even with shipping, you will still likely come out way ahead)-- I live in FL and get my chicken from SC, my beef from TX and my pork from a farm 200 miles north of me in FL, and I get all of my proteins for very close to conventional prices-- and sometimes even lower than conventional proteins.

Also, I'd rather save money anywhere else in my budget other than food-- I realize that there are times that there's just no room in the budget whatsoever, but I'd give up a lot before giving up the food that has helped to eliminate my migraines, arthritic aches and pains and restored my energy.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on July 11, 2012
at 09:40 AM

Not everyone has money. Some of us work low-paying jobs.

707342e3cb97e0fc088917919a154b8a

(1657)

on July 11, 2012
at 10:55 AM

The point of my point was to show that grassfed protein didn't necessarily have to be any more expensive than conventional. And, to your point, that's why I wrote, "I realize that there are times that there's just no room in the budget whatsoever"-- there are oftentimes people who don't earn enough, but often it's the inefficient spending on everything else that's the culprit. There are always (sometimes unpalatable) options to reduce your overhead/spending: take in a roommate, move in with family, sell or trade in your car for a less expensive one, bike/walk instead of drive.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 12, 2012
at 04:44 AM

I sometimes wish I didn't live just outside NYC - one of the most expensive places on Earth.

707342e3cb97e0fc088917919a154b8a

(1657)

on July 12, 2012
at 06:29 PM

I used to live in NYC-- and it can be actually quite reasonable (I know that sounds crazy, but hear me out)-- especially if you can get rid of your vehicles and rely solely on public transit (easier to do in NYC than the 'burbs, I know)-- as soon as my kids are grown, the hubs and I are moving back to NYC (we're in FL now) immediately-- yes, we'll give up space but with the ability to get rid of both cars (and all of the associated expenses) plus lowering our utilities, it's well worth it to us. Best of luck with your budgeting-- and, more importantly, your health.

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5119c190234fac6f40489f7f6ff57d19

on July 11, 2012
at 05:20 AM

Save up and invest in a chest freezer. You can buy half/quarter or even full cows cut up into ready to eat peices. Organic grass fed for half the price of what you can get commercial beef for in the supermarket. But again youll have to save up. Long term planning is needed. If you want to do it, you will :)

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 12, 2012
at 04:43 AM

Haha, would you believe I already have a huge stand up filled to the brim with meat for the dogs? Too bad it is all mixed with bone and not fit for human consumption!

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C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 11, 2012
at 03:08 AM

There is no way you are scraping by that tight that you can only afford good meat every couple months. If you go veggie, you will have to supplement your calories somehow, and it is either meat or grains. I would say avoid overly processed meat as much as possible and splurge when you can. What is your budget? How much are you currently spending on food, and I promise I can put a workable plan together for you. Might not be perfect, but will be much improved over SAD Standard American Diet

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 11, 2012
at 03:12 AM

That didn't answer my question. How much money do you currently spend on food?

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 11, 2012
at 03:10 AM

I didn't want to whine, but even with insurance, I have medical costs up the wazoo - we're talking in excess of $1000 a month for stuff insurance won't cover/ so it's either meat or the mortgage right now :-/

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 11, 2012
at 04:04 AM

Well, my first suggestion would be to sit down and write out a budget of all income and all expenses. Before you can even have the afformentioned discusion, you have to know what your baseline is. Maybe you can't afford veggies either? To say you buy what you need is to say you can buy meat because you need it, your body needs it. If you write out a budget you will then know what you have to work with.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 12, 2012
at 04:45 AM

You're right. Time to budget. Veggies are much cheaper, for some reason, even organic. Meat is almost four times the price. I live in NY, maybe that accounts for it?

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 11, 2012
at 03:34 AM

I don't keep track: I just buy what I need.

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