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Seventh Day Adventist - they eat meat?

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Created June 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM

On the website of the Seventh Day Adventists, I was looking up how they think about sugar (and they eat only very little). I came across this piece of info:

"Since 1954 more than 250 articles have been published in scientific journals on the Seventh-day Adventist lifestyle and health. In the 1960s, Loma Linda University, in cooperation with the National Cancer Institute, began to study the health of SDAs. Later, in the 1970s and 1980s, data on the Seventh-day Adventist lifestyle was collected and analyzed under contract with the National Institutes of Health. SDAs in general, have 50% less risk of heart disease, certain types of cancers, strokes, and diabetes. More specifically, recent data suggests that vegetarian men under 40 can expect to live more than eight years longer and women more than seven years longer then the general population. SDA vegetarian men live more than three years longer than SDA men who eat meat."

Especially the last sentence suprised me:

a. Some of them eat meat.

b. Even the meat-eaters live longer than the avagere lifespan, but shorter than their vegetarian counterparts. The rest of their diet seems the same (low on sugar/alchohol/coffee etc), although they do not state that explicitly.

What do you think about this? Does anyone happen to know the research on this?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on November 22, 2012
at 03:03 PM

You're right on that. Grain based foods are a big part of their dietary culture - just like most Americans, and vegetarians/semi-vegetarians in particular. I find their dedication to health admirable but their misguided information very, very SAD/sad. (BTW, I grew up SDA. Definitely not my thing, but my parents still practice and all.)

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on November 20, 2012
at 12:06 AM

Here is the current successor to Little Links: http://www.soap.com/p/loma-linda-low-fat-big-franks-20-oz-12-pk-558498?site=CA&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc_S&utm_term=KTS-073C&utm_campaign=GoogleAW&CAWELAID=1447529737&utm_content=pla&adtype=pla&cagpspn=pla The nasty part of these faux hot dogs (same as the old links) is that they're canned. Water packed veggie dogs.

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on November 19, 2012
at 11:57 PM

Grain-based foods are embedded in the SDA culture. 50 years after the relation with Kellogg ended, Loma Linda Foods was making Ruskets breakfast cereal.

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on November 19, 2012
at 11:56 PM

Grain-based foods are embedded in the SDA culture. Long after the relation with Kellogg ended, Loma Linda Fodds was making Ruskets breakfast cereal.

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on November 19, 2012
at 11:53 PM

I was surprised to find so much SDA history around Battle Creek. The development of the "healthy" dry breakfast cereal is definitely connected, starting with the vegetarianism and the church's sanitarium. In looking at Wiki's biography, Kellogg was disfellowshipped by the SDA in 1907. After cornflakes were discovered.

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on November 19, 2012
at 11:40 PM

Not sure, but I don't think his religion was relevant. And even if it were, devout Adventists generally try to do what they think is most healthy - it's just sad that what they think is healthy is pretty much SAD, just semi-kosher. It's the health knowledge they've got wrong, not their intentions.

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on November 19, 2012
at 09:12 PM

Little Links faux meat is one of the nastiest processed foods I've encountered.

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on November 19, 2012
at 09:09 PM

Was Kellogg a practicing SDA when he came up with the breakfast cereal that made me diabetic?

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on November 19, 2012
at 09:05 PM

In Battle Creek MI, one-time SDA haven, a bowl of cornflakes bloomed. As a health food. Apply SDA principles to the USA and we got SAD.

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on November 19, 2012
at 08:59 PM

Regarding SDA meat eaters, there are jack-everythings. Romney would have gone down easier with most of the electorate if he'd been a jack-mormon and made his peace with alcohol. BTW, Adventist hospitals serve meat.

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on July 14, 2012
at 11:36 AM

Have family members and friends who practice or have followed this religion. I'm referring to the packaged products used in many schools and homes when I say "processed."

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on June 18, 2012
at 05:35 PM

Very interesting, Dave S.! But now I'm curious for the actually data/study.. I tend to believe her, but she calls it 'top secret' and I cannot find a reference, and Google doesn't help me either :( Does anyone know where she got those 0.78 for fish eater & 0.89 for lacto-ovo vegetarians from?

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on June 18, 2012
at 12:39 PM

Denise Minger had some stuff about the SDA in her AHS11 presentation. The meat eaters drank more coffee and ate more donuts. The SDA pescatarians lived longer than the vegetarians. She breaks it down nicely. You can go through the slides here: http://www.slideshare.net/ancestralhealth/ahs-slidesdenise-minger

7d3a7b532811b6cfa2de09acdf52d145

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on June 17, 2012
at 07:48 PM

Also my questions, is there research available surrounding this finding? ;)

7d3a7b532811b6cfa2de09acdf52d145

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on June 17, 2012
at 07:45 PM

Interesting. :) How do you know they eat a lot of processed foods?

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on June 17, 2012
at 03:28 PM

Jamie, your response to perfect! Things are so complicated in the health field that I find it necessary to stick with principles. Those meat eating SDAs, is the meat grass fed or factory farmed? Inquiring minds want to know.

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on June 17, 2012
at 12:41 PM

Do they use vegetable oils? What kind of meat are they eating? What about nutritional deficiencies in the vegetarians? Memory and iq and mental health? How big was the population of vegetarians vs meat eaters?

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 17, 2012
at 11:49 AM

I know that much of the difference of SDAs longevity versus the rest of the populous is supposed to be from the close personal and community bonds they form. This is also an issue with other long lived populations like Okinawans.

One problem you run into with studies on meat eaters versus vegetarians is that they lump processed meat like hot dogs in with healthy meats. Grass fed? Meat is meat is meat to these studies.

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on November 19, 2012
at 09:05 PM

In Battle Creek MI, one-time SDA haven, a bowl of cornflakes bloomed. As a health food. Apply SDA principles to the USA and we got SAD.

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45ace03a0eff1219943d746cfb1c4197

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on June 17, 2012
at 02:29 PM

SDAs follow some of the old testament guidelines where meat is concerned. They do not eat pork or shellfish. Interestingly, they don't seem to concerned about healthy meals in practice. Much of the vegetarian food, for instance, is very heavily processed and salted.

7d3a7b532811b6cfa2de09acdf52d145

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on June 17, 2012
at 07:45 PM

Interesting. :) How do you know they eat a lot of processed foods?

45ace03a0eff1219943d746cfb1c4197

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on July 14, 2012
at 11:36 AM

Have family members and friends who practice or have followed this religion. I'm referring to the packaged products used in many schools and homes when I say "processed."

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3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on November 19, 2012
at 08:33 PM

I worked at a SDA hospital. I think the patients had the option of meat with their meals, but the employee cafeteria was all vegetarian. Actually, it was kind of nice for me because I don't eat shellfish or pork for religious reasons. Nothing was off limits for me in their cafeteria.

BUT, I would not call it healthy fare, necessarily. Many of the main dishes were fake meats and shellfish. Mostly soy, mostly deep fried in seed oils to resemble meat in texture. I was not paleo back then (early 1990's), and I loved their "scallops" which were deep fried balls of soy flavored to taste like sea scallops. They used a lot of textured vegetable protein (all soy) and some of it was awful. It was never fun to eat there on hot dog day! Soy bacon was common, as were veggie burgers made primarily from grain.

Local stores near the hospital, where there is a large SDA community, had lots of canned fake meats on the shelves.

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(10611)

on November 19, 2012
at 09:12 PM

Little Links faux meat is one of the nastiest processed foods I've encountered.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on November 20, 2012
at 12:06 AM

Here is the current successor to Little Links: http://www.soap.com/p/loma-linda-low-fat-big-franks-20-oz-12-pk-558498?site=CA&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc_S&utm_term=KTS-073C&utm_campaign=GoogleAW&CAWELAID=1447529737&utm_content=pla&adtype=pla&cagpspn=pla The nasty part of these faux hot dogs (same as the old links) is that they're canned. Water packed veggie dogs.

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on November 19, 2012
at 01:30 PM

Sad to say, that while Seventh-day Adventists have been given a wonderful health message, very very few actually know what it says, and even fewer tend to follow it.

It's true: most Adventists eat meat, drink coffee, snack on cookies and donuts and ice cream, and eat more processed foods than you'd think.

Aseafish is correct, we do stay away from meats that are "unclean" <~ (Biblical term); pork and shellfish being among those that are unclean. But most meat eaters are unconcerned whether the animal is grass-fed or where the meat/animal actually came from. Some do, some follow the organic way of living and eating; and some try to "mostly" follow organic eating; but again, nothing is the same across the board.

Like most people today, we tend to do our "own thing". So you won't find any two Adventist homes practicing the same diet and healthy lifestyle- which is sad, in my opinion.

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on November 19, 2012
at 09:09 PM

Was Kellogg a practicing SDA when he came up with the breakfast cereal that made me diabetic?

Medium avatar

(10611)

on November 19, 2012
at 11:57 PM

Grain-based foods are embedded in the SDA culture. 50 years after the relation with Kellogg ended, Loma Linda Foods was making Ruskets breakfast cereal.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on November 19, 2012
at 11:56 PM

Grain-based foods are embedded in the SDA culture. Long after the relation with Kellogg ended, Loma Linda Fodds was making Ruskets breakfast cereal.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 19, 2012
at 11:40 PM

Not sure, but I don't think his religion was relevant. And even if it were, devout Adventists generally try to do what they think is most healthy - it's just sad that what they think is healthy is pretty much SAD, just semi-kosher. It's the health knowledge they've got wrong, not their intentions.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on November 19, 2012
at 11:53 PM

I was surprised to find so much SDA history around Battle Creek. The development of the "healthy" dry breakfast cereal is definitely connected, starting with the vegetarianism and the church's sanitarium. In looking at Wiki's biography, Kellogg was disfellowshipped by the SDA in 1907. After cornflakes were discovered.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 22, 2012
at 03:03 PM

You're right on that. Grain based foods are a big part of their dietary culture - just like most Americans, and vegetarians/semi-vegetarians in particular. I find their dedication to health admirable but their misguided information very, very SAD/sad. (BTW, I grew up SDA. Definitely not my thing, but my parents still practice and all.)

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F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

on June 17, 2012
at 03:35 PM

SDAs have an elder oriented society, like the Mormons. There are certain advantages (and disadvantages) to this. It takes a long time for people to come to the realization that something may be wrong with, say, like the medical profession. By the time that old people realize this, they have lost 40 or 50 years of being healthy. BUT they can pass that wisdom along to younger people. This does not happen so much in the greater society. Young people fancy that they know it all, and don't listen to their parents and don't listen to old people in general, usually.

On the other hand, old people be can be rigid. This is why it took Mormons so long to recognize that black people are just as worthy of respect and individual rights as white people.

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