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Saw Food, Inc Last Night, Now I'm Scared of Meat. Help

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Created June 24, 2011 at 1:59 PM

My wife got me to watch the documentary "Food, Inc" yesterday. Normally I have a pretty high tolerance for things, and it takes a lot to impact my appetite, but this movie is killing me. The parts about how easy / prevalent E. Coli and Salmonella contamination was bad, but when they got into the ammonia treated beef I swear I questioned if I could ever eat ground beef again.

Idiot???s bliss, and I???ve just been kicked out of Eden.

I know grass fed pretty much takes care of this issue, but where I live its pretty damn difficult to find GF foods. The closest we usually get is ???Natural,??? ???Organic,??? or ???Vegetarian Fed??? meats, all of which mean next to nothing as far as I can tell.

Please help me, PaleoHacks, is there ANY way to tell if ground beef contains the ammonia-treated sludge? Any brands who are worse about this than others? Know of any responsible meat/egg farms in the south/central Texas area?

F076d30323ee4a0d06e44b2600ca9024

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on June 25, 2011
at 02:19 AM

Alternately, you could get meat from a butcher shop that is a real butcher, like Granzin's in New Braunfels (just off 35 behind Blue Bonnet Ford). I take all my game there for processing - they do a fantastic job!

562ffccf8e7b51b46eb11d8c8c4e8774

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on June 24, 2011
at 06:32 PM

I second the suggestion to check out uswellnessmeats.com. They are very reliable and the meat is really good.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

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on June 24, 2011
at 05:58 PM

wow, mike. thats pretty comprehensive. totally sharing on facebook. thank you!

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on June 24, 2011
at 05:21 PM

I wrote something about that whole pay-now, pay-later thing for another discussion a while ago. Here's a link to it. Basically my premise was that "food" may seem expensive, but that's just becuase the price of it has kept up with inflation, while the price of "stuff you can eat" has actually fallen with respect to inflation: https://sites.google.com/site/themikelinks/home/historical-prices-of-stuff-you-can-eat

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on June 24, 2011
at 04:38 PM

@Tom +1 to what VandyGear said. I think the only thing reliable about "Natural" is it now prohibits HFCS. Other than that "Natural" means nothing.

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

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on June 24, 2011
at 04:28 PM

Thanks for the heads up, I'll do that. How late does the farmer's market there stay open? I work saturdays until 5-ish, and was under the impression that the market there is saturdays only and closes earlier than I get out of work.

0f98e4ccf1ee091f031584234bf4c20d

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on June 24, 2011
at 04:14 PM

I second Thunder Heart Bison. Best liver and heart I have ever had. Also check local Farmers Markets, there are usually some GF Beef vendors there.

949d4d02ea7d1abd714cc3347c2c6854

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on June 24, 2011
at 04:03 PM

Here's a good article on selecting the "least bad" beef. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/meat-tips-tricks-hacks/ It does make a difference whether the meat is certified organic - that word does have meanings related to hormones and antibiotics. "Natural", however, means nothing. Good luck!

0f98e4ccf1ee091f031584234bf4c20d

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:51 PM

Tom - Google 6J Ranch, they provide grass fed beef. Also check this meat share link out http://atxmeatshare.tumblr.com/post/6542467544/atxmeatshare-4-100-grass-fed-longhorn-100

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:46 PM

i hope so, too! so far so good- i only pay a $5 copay for my chiro, but my doctor is $10 so thats a start. haa!

462ed57189bd2b8ffbe2a975186191f9

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:38 PM

None close to Las Vegas. :(

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:16 PM

Per my understanding, "Organic" as a label is pretty uncontroled and fairly meaningless in most cases. Am I incorrect about this?

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:14 PM

Unrelated to the movie, I had my dad check at a small grocery store near his house (out in the country) about avaliability on organ meats. Now I just need to inquire about their source / processing methods. I may have my first lead...

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:13 PM

The bacteria isn't the part that scares me, as I know I can cook that out. But the chemicals they use to "process" the meats but don't have to report bother me a great deal.

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:11 PM

I need to find a clean source of bacon. Or lie to my wife for a bit and tell her I did. A home without bacon is no home at all.

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:10 PM

San Antonio, a "norther state" away from DFW area

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:02 PM

Tom, I second JansSushiBar; where are you? I live in North DFW and I have several sources for gf local beef.

91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:46 PM

Tom, where in Texas are you? My brother is in the DFW area and has no problem sourcing grass-fed and pastured animals.

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:37 PM

Actually, if the label on the meat specifies organic/no antibiotics/no growth hormones that is very important. The major issues with bacterial contamination in meat is related to antibiotic use in the animals leading to antibiotic resistance and the growth of antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria. Yes, it is possible for animals to still be in filthy conditions, gross overuse of antibiotics is a major. If it only says "natural" watch out. Means NOTHING. Additionally, cooking all the way through will protect.

1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:35 PM

Canned fish kinda night? Haha! Seriously,I think instead of watching it, I'll just take your guys' word for it and stick to my grass-fed cow. Gotta find a pork supply...

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:34 PM

They say pay now or pay later right? My food bill is much higher too but I think the pay off is less medical expenses in the long run. I hope anyway!

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:31 PM

I wish they shipped to Texas :(

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:27 PM

yes i LOVE them!! my husband is from VT so next time we go up we are going to stop by the farm. they have AWESOME prices!

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:24 PM

My wife watched it first while I was at work, then again with me. After the first watching she went through the fridge and threw away everything with meat in in. Made dinner... difficult. But her heart was in the right place :)

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:20 PM

read Good meat by Deborah Krasner, and know why it's so important to source from local sustainable properly raised animals

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0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:06 PM

http://www.eatwild.com/products/index.html

Go to the eatwild site and look for producers in your area. Buying direct from a farm may be your best bet.

462ed57189bd2b8ffbe2a975186191f9

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:38 PM

None close to Las Vegas. :(

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:04 PM

The best thing is to not buy your meat in a big chain grocery store. I get most of my meat delivered from uswellnessmeats.com and then supplement with things from whole foods. I haven't been to a regular grocery store in months and when I do go it's just to stock up on things like juice.

562ffccf8e7b51b46eb11d8c8c4e8774

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on June 24, 2011
at 06:32 PM

I second the suggestion to check out uswellnessmeats.com. They are very reliable and the meat is really good.

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24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:23 PM

I often order from vermontgrassfedbeef.com- they do beef, pork, goat, sometimes lamb. Ideally I'd buy local, but I like being able to buy individual cuts. Their prices are pretty good!

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

(1081)

on June 24, 2011
at 03:10 PM

San Antonio, a "norther state" away from DFW area

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:27 PM

yes i LOVE them!! my husband is from VT so next time we go up we are going to stop by the farm. they have AWESOME prices!

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

(3761)

on June 24, 2011
at 03:02 PM

Tom, I second JansSushiBar; where are you? I live in North DFW and I have several sources for gf local beef.

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

(1081)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:31 PM

I wish they shipped to Texas :(

0f98e4ccf1ee091f031584234bf4c20d

(120)

on June 24, 2011
at 03:51 PM

Tom - Google 6J Ranch, they provide grass fed beef. Also check this meat share link out http://atxmeatshare.tumblr.com/post/6542467544/atxmeatshare-4-100-grass-fed-longhorn-100

91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

(2081)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:46 PM

Tom, where in Texas are you? My brother is in the DFW area and has no problem sourcing grass-fed and pastured animals.

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:09 PM

Hey Tom! Don't be scared of meat! Knowledge is power - and now that you are more knowledgeable about your food you can make better choices!

ps. - good luck on all the research you are about to undertake on sourcing foods in your area - it can be a daunting task - but it can also be a lot of fun! I've met so many great farmers in my area - each has so many more good tips on other farmers and good sources of food in the area!

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

(1081)

on June 24, 2011
at 03:14 PM

Unrelated to the movie, I had my dad check at a small grocery store near his house (out in the country) about avaliability on organ meats. Now I just need to inquire about their source / processing methods. I may have my first lead...

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Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:23 PM

i have not seen food inc yet, and i dont plan to. i sort of feel that after a couple of decades being interested and involved in animal rights, local agriculture and food politics, i know what i need to know already so i dont want to torture myself any more. as it is, knowing what i already know from michael pollan and matthew scully and others, i feel like a vegan when im in the grocery store. i cant buy it. it makes me want to gag. ill eat it at a restaurant if i swallow a big dose of cognitive dissonance first, but it takes effort for me to eat CAFO meat. im luky to be able to get meat shares from my small CSA, and i have friends who are farmers and hunters. we have a fish CSA here in my area, and i order beef from a farm about 70 miles away. its more expensive at the end of the year, and more effort, but im committed to the paleo way of eating, and equally committed to local agriculture and animal rights.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on June 24, 2011
at 05:21 PM

I wrote something about that whole pay-now, pay-later thing for another discussion a while ago. Here's a link to it. Basically my premise was that "food" may seem expensive, but that's just becuase the price of it has kept up with inflation, while the price of "stuff you can eat" has actually fallen with respect to inflation: https://sites.google.com/site/themikelinks/home/historical-prices-of-stuff-you-can-eat

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 24, 2011
at 03:46 PM

i hope so, too! so far so good- i only pay a $5 copay for my chiro, but my doctor is $10 so thats a start. haa!

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 24, 2011
at 05:58 PM

wow, mike. thats pretty comprehensive. totally sharing on facebook. thank you!

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:34 PM

They say pay now or pay later right? My food bill is much higher too but I think the pay off is less medical expenses in the long run. I hope anyway!

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23cdea3bba94e17d2b58b525773d0c0a

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:22 PM

That movie rocked us pretty hard as well but we were already aware of a lot of it and had already begun to limit factory farmed meat. What we found ourselves feeling at the end of the movie was motivation. It made us want to DO something. It also made us angry, which further motivated us. We decided right then and there that we would no longer consume ANY meat of which we didn't know and approve of the source and we would spread the word as much as we could. We would make an even bigger effort to supposrt family farms in our area. Try chatting up some vendors at your farmers market(get to know your farmer! :)), shop at a coop, seek out small town meat lockers. If you're still having a hard time with the ground beef, make your own. You can get hand crank meat grinders for somewhere around $30 I think, cheaper if you watcha t flea markets and yard sales.

1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

(2435)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:35 PM

Canned fish kinda night? Haha! Seriously,I think instead of watching it, I'll just take your guys' word for it and stick to my grass-fed cow. Gotta find a pork supply...

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

(1081)

on June 24, 2011
at 03:11 PM

I need to find a clean source of bacon. Or lie to my wife for a bit and tell her I did. A home without bacon is no home at all.

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

(1081)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:24 PM

My wife watched it first while I was at work, then again with me. After the first watching she went through the fridge and threw away everything with meat in in. Made dinner... difficult. But her heart was in the right place :)

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on June 24, 2011
at 05:48 PM

Tom, try Slanker's Grass Fed Meats. They ship from Paris, Texas.

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F076d30323ee4a0d06e44b2600ca9024

on June 24, 2011
at 04:06 PM

Tom - you just need to head to the Pearl Brewery and hit up the local meat producers (Koch Ranch, for one) you'll find there. You should be able to find everything you need. Thunder Heart Bison is also there - http://www.thunderheartbison.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12&Itemid=6

You could also spend a few bucks on a hunting license... my freezer's full of Hill Country Whitetail.

Best -

bob

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

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on June 24, 2011
at 04:28 PM

Thanks for the heads up, I'll do that. How late does the farmer's market there stay open? I work saturdays until 5-ish, and was under the impression that the market there is saturdays only and closes earlier than I get out of work.

0f98e4ccf1ee091f031584234bf4c20d

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on June 24, 2011
at 04:14 PM

I second Thunder Heart Bison. Best liver and heart I have ever had. Also check local Farmers Markets, there are usually some GF Beef vendors there.

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:19 PM

Precisely why I decided that cutting corners elsewhere (no cable/satellite tv, no fancy phones with killer data plans) was worth the grassfed/organic meats. I'm writing a paper about Food Inc. for ethics so I've seen it far too many times!

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on June 24, 2011
at 03:13 PM

When I can't get/afford GF beef, I get Organic, hormone/antibiotic free stuff from Costco, and cook it in butter from grass fed cows (Kerrygold). That way I still get the good stuff from grass fed ruminants (CLA, Omega 3) and the meat is clean.

332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

(1081)

on June 24, 2011
at 03:16 PM

Per my understanding, "Organic" as a label is pretty uncontroled and fairly meaningless in most cases. Am I incorrect about this?

3a833804187fe8926214e6c0bd8a0766

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on June 24, 2011
at 04:38 PM

@Tom +1 to what VandyGear said. I think the only thing reliable about "Natural" is it now prohibits HFCS. Other than that "Natural" means nothing.

949d4d02ea7d1abd714cc3347c2c6854

(1021)

on June 24, 2011
at 04:03 PM

Here's a good article on selecting the "least bad" beef. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/meat-tips-tricks-hacks/ It does make a difference whether the meat is certified organic - that word does have meanings related to hormones and antibiotics. "Natural", however, means nothing. Good luck!

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E7a462d6e99fec7e8f0ddda11b34a770

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on June 24, 2011
at 05:07 PM

Meat Grinder

Go old school. ;p

We had one similar to this when I was a kid. The main problem with ground meat is what is on the outside surface that gets ground in and what other questionable parts get added by the processor. Buy inexpensive roasts, etc., and grind your own and you will solve most of the problem.

F076d30323ee4a0d06e44b2600ca9024

(30)

on June 25, 2011
at 02:19 AM

Alternately, you could get meat from a butcher shop that is a real butcher, like Granzin's in New Braunfels (just off 35 behind Blue Bonnet Ford). I take all my game there for processing - they do a fantastic job!

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on June 24, 2011
at 02:50 PM

It's taken me a while but I finally got to a spot where I can comfortably eat a wider range of meat. For a while it was only wild caught fish and vegetables, and fruit. Now I have some local contacts for grass fed beef, goat, and field raised chicken. Like others said, stay away from major grocery chains, avoid corn/grain fed and start hitting up farmers markets and meeting the vendors. I am now preparing to buy a whole cow and a couple goats with some other family members so I'll save money in the long run and have a nice stock of healthy beef and goat! Grass fed beef is about as healthy as Salmon so eat up!

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