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Quantity of meat consumption...

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 09, 2013 at 8:17 PM

It seems to me that Paleo is sort of a rebranding of the Zone style low/no carb diets that lost popularity after being shown to be unhealthy, and extremely difficult. Is science behind this, or is it the animal agriculture industry?

I'm just curious, because the more I read the more I think:

A- more and more evidence that our ancestors didn't really eat much meat, ever, whereas most paleo proponents suggest eating lots of meat. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/07/23/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/

B- even grass-fed beef, organic chicken, wild-caught fish still has many health risks and few benefits. Much more on this at http://nutritionfacts.org

I'm not trying to be a jerk, I really just want some honest opinions on this. It also seems many on this very site are struggling with health issues they attribute to not getting the diet quite right for them, when in fact the diet itself may be deficient in many ways. For most of human history, complex carbohydrates have been the primary fuel source, no?

I'm also not suggesting we eat no meat (although I myself do not), I'm merely suggesting overall that the science points to eating lower on the food chain having many many health benefits, as well as benefiting the environment, fuel consumption, etc.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on January 10, 2013
at 11:59 PM

Also, notice he hasn't responded to anything posted on his thread.

3bc294cb7745a5e99612ff886ca00101

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on January 10, 2013
at 12:42 PM

Wow, powerful description of monoculture farming. That there is a message that needs to get out to the people who subsist on Soy, etc, for 'ethical' reasons.

E9140ef0ca0a76ea14b9ebccad234608

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on January 10, 2013
at 12:32 PM

gotcha guys.. DOWN WITH THE TROLL~

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on January 10, 2013
at 01:03 AM

You should do your homework (i.e. do some objective research on the matter) then come back with an actual question.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on January 09, 2013
at 11:54 PM

I think I'll take the large side of Brontoribs instead.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on January 09, 2013
at 11:53 PM

Mmmmmm......I'll take the large side of brontoribs instead though.

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on January 09, 2013
at 10:55 PM

You're missing something....paleos are interested in emulating ancestor behavior. Eating meat is part of it, but so is practicing hunt-and-gather-behavior and avoiding processed foods especially those containing a lot of sugar and grain products. You need to dig into this a little further to understand what it is. It's not the Flintstones eating Brontoburgers.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on January 09, 2013
at 10:14 PM

^ Oh, dem trixy vevan trolls.....first their sweet then their sour. Mmmmmm

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

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on January 09, 2013
at 09:49 PM

Look buddy, if you want to debate the ethics of consuming meat just come out and ask. Dressing up a question on ethics as one about the benefits/harm of certain food groups is simply an attempt at conning people into your way of thinking -- it's not appreciated, or subtle.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on January 09, 2013
at 09:45 PM

Tal, even some trolls have manners. It's a gimmick used to trick people into thinking they are sincere.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on January 09, 2013
at 09:29 PM

check out his answers to other questions.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on January 09, 2013
at 09:28 PM

What is the evolutionary effect of a vegan troll? Overpopulation in the billy-goat community?

E9140ef0ca0a76ea14b9ebccad234608

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on January 09, 2013
at 09:21 PM

im confused how you think this is trolling? guy seems polite enough and just wants answers..

E9140ef0ca0a76ea14b9ebccad234608

(615)

on January 09, 2013
at 09:21 PM

grow up.. how is this trolling?

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on January 09, 2013
at 09:13 PM

science says you're a faggot.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on January 09, 2013
at 08:44 PM

So you are obviously a vegan troll, and not here for healthy debate. So I just have one question for you....

Do paleo people actually go on vegan boards and troll like this? Or is this just something you do?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on January 09, 2013
at 09:45 PM

Tal, even some trolls have manners. It's a gimmick used to trick people into thinking they are sincere.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on January 09, 2013
at 09:29 PM

check out his answers to other questions.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on January 10, 2013
at 11:59 PM

Also, notice he hasn't responded to anything posted on his thread.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 09, 2013
at 10:14 PM

^ Oh, dem trixy vevan trolls.....first their sweet then their sour. Mmmmmm

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on January 09, 2013
at 09:28 PM

What is the evolutionary effect of a vegan troll? Overpopulation in the billy-goat community?

E9140ef0ca0a76ea14b9ebccad234608

(615)

on January 10, 2013
at 12:32 PM

gotcha guys.. DOWN WITH THE TROLL~

E9140ef0ca0a76ea14b9ebccad234608

(615)

on January 09, 2013
at 09:21 PM

im confused how you think this is trolling? guy seems polite enough and just wants answers..

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 09, 2013
at 09:04 PM

The question of how much meat or animal product is a valid one. But it's not an issue of the health risks of eating too much meat, or even that pre-human ancestors (which weren't yet human) were largely vegetarian. The question should be asked whether a high animal product diet is efficient, sustainable, natural... Because let's face it: it's not unhealthy and it's supported throughout human history.

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D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

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on January 10, 2013
at 01:05 AM

"For most of human history, complex carbohydrates have been the primary fuel source, no?"

No. Watch the documentary Perfect Human Diet, and see what the forensic anthropologists say about that.

"I'm merely suggesting overall that the science points to eating lower on the food chain having many many health benefits, as well as benefiting the environment, fuel consumption, etc."

Read the Perfect Health Diet (2nd edition), by the Jaminets to see what the science says about the many health benefits missed by skipping out on consuming certain animal sources that cannot be met by plant source.

Secondly, I really don't like the aspect of localized extermination required by industrial monocrop agriculture. Step one, exterminate nearly all life in a plot of land in order to plant a single alien plant. Step two, continued vigilance passing by watching for unwanted plants and insects and applying methods to exterminate. Step three, grind up hundreds of pounds of mice, snakes, lizards, etc during harvest. Step four, do nothing but watch while the denuded ground washes soil into the watershed making lakes, ponds, streams unhealthy for fish and causing deadzones in the ocean to expand further. I'm all for doing everything to move food consumption away from this karmic nightmare.

3bc294cb7745a5e99612ff886ca00101

(1186)

on January 10, 2013
at 12:42 PM

Wow, powerful description of monoculture farming. That there is a message that needs to get out to the people who subsist on Soy, etc, for 'ethical' reasons.

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on January 10, 2013
at 03:03 AM

Somebody check today's date for me because I'm sure it is April. 1st 2009 today.

Anyways. Do a bit of research before asking, is it so hard to do? If you already have your mind set, why bother asking a question?

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532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

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on January 10, 2013
at 01:03 AM

Paleo isn't necessarily low-carb, and pre-human ancestors are not human. It's pretty well accepted and acknowledged that we descended from frugivorous, large-gutted primates. And birds descended from lizards. What of it?

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Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

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on January 10, 2013
at 06:21 AM

i eat a carnivorous diet :)

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26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on January 09, 2013
at 11:48 PM

How much meat? I agree that is something we should consider. I like to make a fist and imagine that this is roughly the size of my stomach, then open my hand and use the palm as a measurement for how much meat/seafood I should consume per meal. The amount for me usually comes out to about 1/4 to 1/2 pound of meat/seafood. The rest of my plate or bowl is filled with veggies (and/or broth for soup). I find that not stuffing myself with meat helps my digestion. Also, grass-fed, pastured meat is expensive, so this also helps the budget.

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