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Pastured vs industrial meat

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 11, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Could you please supply me with some links to data about the difference between pastured and industrial meat?

Please note: NOT claims, NOT assertions, NOT expressions of belief, NOT "it must be so".

I want data. Chemical and nutritional analysis data. By non-crazy people. Preferably of multiple samples.

There's a little bit at nutritiondata.com. Where else should I look?

UPDATE: I'll put in here links that I found or was pointed to

http://www.nutritionj.com/content/9/1/10
http://www.journalofanimalscience.org/content/86/12/3575.long
http://www.journalofanimalscience.org/content/55/1/77
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=7948423&fulltextType=RA&fileId=S0007114510003090

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

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on March 11, 2013
at 02:59 PM

@Dragonfly I don't think you're qualified to judge what I would and would not be interested in. If you want to debate industrial food production, pick a forum that's more suited to debates than stackexchange.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on March 11, 2013
at 02:53 PM

Because if you actually asked and fully answered *my* question, you wouldn't be remotely interested in *your* question.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 11, 2013
at 04:17 AM

W/e dude .

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

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on March 11, 2013
at 03:47 AM

@mary Thank you

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 11, 2013
at 03:04 AM

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=7948423&fulltextType=RA&fileId=S0007114510003090

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

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on March 11, 2013
at 02:50 AM

@Stephen R "It just seems like you're asking for a round square here" -- once again, I'm asking for data. I'm NOT asking for support for pre-made conclusions.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 11, 2013
at 02:28 AM

It's a food dude, it has protein and fat. Somebody has already pointed out the fat is different, which is a valid point. The protein in mostly the same, can't imagine it'd be much different. The hormones would be different and the micronutrients would be different (but would also vary depending on the land the pastured animals were grazed on). Short of hormones and antibiotics I just don't see anything definitive coming out of that. It just seems like you're asking for a round square here. Maybe it's just me.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 11, 2013
at 02:19 AM

Idk if you've noticed but environmental organizations tend to be anti cattle since you can get more calories with less water using grains with our current system. Who funds grants? Government, will a grant get funded that goes against the governments official stance? No.. Not to mention how would you control for "pastured", are they fed antibiotics, other medication, do they supplement their feed in the winter, if so with what? What s the mineral content of the land on which they are grazing. You would never be able to say all grass fed is better than all Cafo without running into tons of prob

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 11, 2013
at 02:16 AM

looks like grass-fed wins in just about every category

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

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on March 11, 2013
at 02:01 AM

@Matt Thank you, you gave me Google search terms ("fatty acid profile") and there is some interesting data -- e.g. http://www.nutritionj.com/content/9/1/10

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on March 11, 2013
at 01:48 AM

@Lumifer, I'm sure the data is there, in obscure academic journals, behind paywalls. I don't know which journals to even start looking in though. I've seen cattle breed comparisons of fatty acid profiles though, so the minute details have been studied.

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

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on March 11, 2013
at 01:37 AM

"You're asking for information that seems to be intuitively true yet unprofitable so..." -- maybe so, but given the mass popularity of environmental issues, what, no university lab ran any analyses? No environmental organization could afford to order a comparison and publish it?

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

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on March 11, 2013
at 01:33 AM

Pollan mostly goes into sources of umm... food components and how they are assembled into S.A.D. items. That's not what I want. Again, I want chemical/nutritional analysis, raw data.

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

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on March 11, 2013
at 01:19 AM

As to asking a better question, no one is stopping you :-) I'm more interested in my question for the time being. I will do my own research. I'm asking for data, not for conclusions. Do you happen to have strong feelings that other data should be shared on this site, but not *this* data..?

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on March 11, 2013
at 01:03 AM

The difference is not in the nutrients its all the *extras* that come with CAFO meat.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on March 11, 2013
at 12:53 AM

Could you please do your own research? There's plenty of information out there.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on March 11, 2013
at 12:36 AM

How about asking a better question. What are all the costs of CAFO vs Pastured meat? http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/food_and_agriculture/cafos-uncovered.pdf

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 11, 2013
at 12:32 AM

lol @ non crazy people- we dont want the Monsanto backed studies. Also same for organic produce vs regular produce maybe?

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on March 11, 2013
at 12:26 AM

Great question. I'd love to see some data too. While I do believe "it must be so" that pastured meat is better for you than industrial... just HOW MUCH better is it?

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04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

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on March 11, 2013
at 12:41 AM

Read the omnivore's dilemma, it has solid information about this and many other closely related topics.

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

(1655)

on March 11, 2013
at 01:33 AM

Pollan mostly goes into sources of umm... food components and how they are assembled into S.A.D. items. That's not what I want. Again, I want chemical/nutritional analysis, raw data.

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89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

on March 11, 2013
at 01:59 AM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2846864/Conclusion.

"Research spanning three decades supports the argument that grass-fed beef (on a g/g fat basis), has a more desirable SFA lipid profile (more C18:0 cholesterol neutral SFA and less C14:0 & C16:0 cholesterol elevating SFAs) as compared to grain-fed beef. Grass-finished beef is also higher in total CLA (C18:2) isomers, TVA (C18:1 t11) and n-3 FAs on a g/g fat basis. This results in a better n-6:n-3 ratio that is preferred by the nutritional community. Grass-fed beef is also higher in precursors for Vitamin A and E and cancer fighting antioxidants such as GT and SOD activity as compared to grain-fed contemporaries

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 11, 2013
at 02:16 AM

looks like grass-fed wins in just about every category

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B3d0d27c01d183d7770c060f5e29e9ad

on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

Most studies don't seem to show much difference in nutritional value. I will say I really notice a difference in flavor based on what the animals are fed. I like the taste of meat from grass fed beef (not as much as Bison). I also like the taste of eggs from corn fed chickens more... ymmv.. if you can't taste the difference, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Also most of the bad stuff in food becomes less potent with cooking.. so as long as you aren't eating raw, it matters less.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on March 11, 2013
at 01:03 AM

The difference is not in the nutrients its all the *extras* that come with CAFO meat.

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 11, 2013
at 01:33 AM

Dude Cato meat is recommended to people who can't afford higher quality meat, and who's going to und such a study, a cafo corporation? So they can prove their product is inferior? Or perhaps the small 100 head grass feeding cattle farmer? Or maybe seed oil lobby which has already successfully vilified all red meat in modern society?

You're asking for information that seems to be intuitively true yet unprofitable so, take wha you can get man. Nutrition data is your bet friend here, that and google.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 11, 2013
at 02:19 AM

Idk if you've noticed but environmental organizations tend to be anti cattle since you can get more calories with less water using grains with our current system. Who funds grants? Government, will a grant get funded that goes against the governments official stance? No.. Not to mention how would you control for "pastured", are they fed antibiotics, other medication, do they supplement their feed in the winter, if so with what? What s the mineral content of the land on which they are grazing. You would never be able to say all grass fed is better than all Cafo without running into tons of prob

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 11, 2013
at 02:28 AM

It's a food dude, it has protein and fat. Somebody has already pointed out the fat is different, which is a valid point. The protein in mostly the same, can't imagine it'd be much different. The hormones would be different and the micronutrients would be different (but would also vary depending on the land the pastured animals were grazed on). Short of hormones and antibiotics I just don't see anything definitive coming out of that. It just seems like you're asking for a round square here. Maybe it's just me.

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

(1655)

on March 11, 2013
at 01:37 AM

"You're asking for information that seems to be intuitively true yet unprofitable so..." -- maybe so, but given the mass popularity of environmental issues, what, no university lab ran any analyses? No environmental organization could afford to order a comparison and publish it?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 11, 2013
at 04:17 AM

W/e dude .

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

(1655)

on March 11, 2013
at 02:01 AM

@Matt Thank you, you gave me Google search terms ("fatty acid profile") and there is some interesting data -- e.g. http://www.nutritionj.com/content/9/1/10

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

(1655)

on March 11, 2013
at 02:50 AM

@Stephen R "It just seems like you're asking for a round square here" -- once again, I'm asking for data. I'm NOT asking for support for pre-made conclusions.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on March 11, 2013
at 01:48 AM

@Lumifer, I'm sure the data is there, in obscure academic journals, behind paywalls. I don't know which journals to even start looking in though. I've seen cattle breed comparisons of fatty acid profiles though, so the minute details have been studied.

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89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

on March 11, 2013
at 01:03 AM

about produce- i remember hearing of this study which im sure was disected here at paleohacks at some point. Just wonder who backed it and with what vested interest.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/new-study-finds-scant-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-eating-organic-foods/article4517773/

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