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Paleo Diet w/Minimal Meat?

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Created January 07, 2011 at 3:57 AM

My girlfriend is trying the 30 day Paleo challange. She says she doesn't really like meat that much and so has a hard time consuming enough food to feel full. She is supplementing with coconut milk but is worried it might make her gain weight as she is not super low carb (she is Asian and can't fathom giving up rice, although she has cut it back.) How low does one have to keep carbs so that they can consume fat and not get fat? I'm thinking she can just up her fat intake to replace her lower protein intake but not if the carbs arnt under a certain level.

I should add that I think she may have a dairy allergy so that option is out.

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on May 02, 2011
at 04:25 PM

p.s. Mark Sisson advises 100-150g of carbs per day to maintain.

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on May 02, 2011
at 04:23 PM

I'm Asian too and felt the same way during my first month. Then, I've found that loading up on vegetables slathered with EVOO, eating plenty of fowl, fish, eggs and avocados, small amounts of red lentils (soaked before cooking to get rid of anti-nutrients), a little aged raw sheep cheese (virtually no lactose) and bites of sprouted grain bread do the trick. My feeling is, better 70% Paleo than none at all.

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on January 08, 2011
at 06:20 AM

Fantastic answer. Good refresher overview. Thanks!

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on January 08, 2011
at 02:57 AM

Women tend to be more healthy conscious and society tries to tell us that meat is both unethical and bad for the environment as well as fattening and unhealthy to eat. This will have a strong psychological effect. But if you look at young kids, girls like meat just as much as the boys. Personally, I cut out most meat for a while for these same reasons of 'health' and found my taste for meat was soon replaced by a taste for carbs. My biology changed and so did my cravings. Carbs became the goto food. (not anymore though..)

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on January 07, 2011
at 09:00 PM

Haha, well the crazy thing is she has killer genes so she looks like she trains 6 days a week even though she only goes on a few light walks a week. It's actually harder to get someone to adopt a healthy diet when physically they look great.

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on January 07, 2011
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I know that this is the Paleo line but I've never been so fat as when I was low carb but free eating fat. Pouring olive oil on everything and downing cans of coconut milk. I didn't start losing weight until I cut back on the fat, then I quickly dropped 30 lbs. The only other thing I changed was dropping nightshades and eggs which were causing me inflammation

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on January 07, 2011
at 05:38 PM

In fact, I'm wondering if not liking meat is partly, even subconsciously, fear of it being fattening or otherwise unhealthy. If so, maybe when she experiences the safety of it, that will go away.

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on January 07, 2011
at 05:35 PM

I think it's social. Used to be that going out to dinner, I would always order steak, my husband chicken. He was served the steak about 9 times out of 10.

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on January 07, 2011
at 05:24 PM

Get a new girlfriend. Just kidding, just kidding! Kind of.... What is it with women who don't like meat? I wonder if there are actual biological differences at play, or if it's mostly social conditioning.

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on January 07, 2011
at 03:31 PM

funny, ive always found the same for me: never been a huge steak fan, but have always loved good meatballs, burger patties, sausages, etc.

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on January 07, 2011
at 02:19 PM

PS- what if you did califlower rice instead???

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I know that this is the Paleo line, however, I never got so fat as when I had total disregard for how much fat I was eating. I would pour olive oil on everything and drink cans of coconut milk. Result? I GAINED weight on the Paleo diet. I now consume fat in moderation and have lost 30 lbs. I dont buy eating fat cant make you fat. I agree that carbs are the bigger/main culprit

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on January 08, 2011
at 03:11 AM

When you are biologically dependent on carbs, that is what your body will crave when it needs fuel. But if your body is more adapted to protein and fat, then that is what you will crave when you need fuel. Cravings are very depedent on diet.

If I were you, I would suggest she cut back on rice simply because rice is nutritionally deficient. It's empty calories. Why eat a food that has a lot of calories but no nutrients? That is not a diet food at all! Instead, eat nutrient dense foods. IMO, no need to force feed fat. Eat the amount of fat you crave but no need to eat more. The body does not require hoards of fat to be healthy. It only requires decent amounts. Many find that eating low carb helps weight loss, but I think it is possible if you are force feeding fat merely in the name of health, that you can manage to eat more calories than is ideal for you. Many people find their bodies do not allow overfeeding, but for some, it's possible if you eat really calorie dense foods. So eat some fat but eating tons has not been shown to be good for everyone. For those who have severe allergy/gut probs, they often find fat to be the least allergenic, but if those are not your issues, I am not yet convinced that you need to eat tons of fat for health. But if you are worried about calories, remember htat plenty of research shows it is easier and less craving inducing to maintain an overall lower caloric intake when eating fat and protein than when eating carbs. Carbs tend to increase hunger and overall caloric intake. So it's actually easier to keep overall caloric intake down when avoiding carbs.

The main concern is to eat foods that are healthy for you. Minimize nutritionally empty foods like rice. Avoid nutritionally empty calorie dense foods that are known to cause illness, like wheat, bread, sugar, crappy processed foods, etc. You can still eat healthier carbs like sweet potatoes. Cuttin up bits of meat into a stir fry is a good way to get a variety of healthy foods along with good taste. Eat whole healthy foods is the main point. You don't have to eat tons of fat or meat or entirely give up rice to do that. IMO, also it is much easier to be satisfied on less calories when the food you eat is nutritionally dense and your body is getting all the nutrition it needs, instead of loading up on empty calories from rice which contributes very little to your nutrition needs.

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on January 08, 2011
at 06:20 AM

Fantastic answer. Good refresher overview. Thanks!

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on January 07, 2011
at 04:48 AM

You and your girlfriend still seem to be under the mistaken impression that dietary fat causes you to become fat. It does not make you fat.

I am Asian and I haven't had rice in nearly a year. I grew up on rice and getting rid of it or minimizing it is no big deal if you increase your fat intake. I'm sure she is just skittish because rice is such a traditional staple amongst certain groups of Asians (not all Asians, by the way, and there is some controversy about the amount actually eaten and how long rice has been a staple) and she may be addicted to starch on some level. I have to lie to my mother and tell her I eat tons of rice!

Either way, I would like to point out again that dietary fat does not make you fat. Increased carbohydrate consumption does not cause dietary fat make you fat. Increased carbohydrate consumption alone can make you fat. Decreasing dietary fat can make you fat (because of the probably increase in carbohydrates to compensate).

This is a simplification but you get the idea.

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on January 07, 2011
at 08:57 PM

I know that this is the Paleo line but I've never been so fat as when I was low carb but free eating fat. Pouring olive oil on everything and downing cans of coconut milk. I didn't start losing weight until I cut back on the fat, then I quickly dropped 30 lbs. The only other thing I changed was dropping nightshades and eggs which were causing me inflammation

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on January 07, 2011
at 05:20 AM

I know that this is the Paleo line, however, I never got so fat as when I had total disregard for how much fat I was eating. I would pour olive oil on everything and drink cans of coconut milk. Result? I GAINED weight on the Paleo diet. I now consume fat in moderation and have lost 30 lbs. I dont buy eating fat cant make you fat. I agree that carbs are the bigger/main culprit

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on January 07, 2011
at 05:48 AM

"has a hard time consuming enough food to feel full"

She's probably not getting enough protein. Eating protein causes satiety. Eat more meat, fish and/or eggs. Meat quality makes a difference. Go for grassfed beef and lamb if possible. I find supermarket pork and chicken not very appetizing. For fish, I recommend Alaska red (sockeye) salmon either canned or frozen. It has the best taste and a good amount of omega 3s. For eggs, I like hard boiling them and throwing away the egg whites because I find the egg whites hard on my stomach.

If she has to eat rice, then limit it to white rice and no more than 8 oz/day cooked.

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on January 07, 2011
at 04:48 AM

I have to say when I started paleo I was a big time pasta girl, I also "hated" red meat and hardly ate it. So I did my strict 30 with chicken, eggs, all types of fish and seafood. My husband ate steaks and such and finally I gave in and he cooked me a steak...I LOVED it and I started craving red meat. Now (been doing paleo since May) I eat red meat all the time and still love seafood, fish, and eggs but could care less about chicken.

I hope she gives it a real chance. I love paleo! Good luck

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on January 07, 2011
at 02:19 PM

PS- what if you did califlower rice instead???

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on January 07, 2011
at 02:08 PM

I bet she'll develop a taste for red meat. Start with seasoned ground beef.. I never crave steaks but love my hamburgers!

Cara http://primroseandpaleo.wordpress.com

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on January 07, 2011
at 03:31 PM

funny, ive always found the same for me: never been a huge steak fan, but have always loved good meatballs, burger patties, sausages, etc.

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Try looking at the perfecthealthdiet.com. It's wonderful and a nice middle of the road for paleo-ish people. Plus, the author and his wife (who is also Asian) are doctors.

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