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Paleo and Low Acid Diet

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 03, 2012 at 4:17 AM

Hi,

I have had acid reflux for years due to stress and medications. One of these medications, Zantac, is reduce the acid. My stress level has gone down but I am still on a few medications as I have a few health problems.

My dr. suggested I go on a low acid diet: No red meat, wheat, sugar, dairy, alcohol, citrus or caffeine combined with lots of veges. I have been on it two months and have found a big difference.

I would like to go on the Paleo diet to get healthier and lose weight. Most of the low acid diet above is compatible with Paleo except the two big ones: red meat and veges.

What do you suggest?

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on October 04, 2012
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Only most of the time, but not all the time.

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on October 03, 2012
at 11:32 AM

Only sometimes.

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on October 03, 2012
at 04:48 AM

What do you eat? There is nothing left, only fruit.

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on October 03, 2012
at 04:53 AM

Acid reflux is too little acid not too much.

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on October 03, 2012
at 11:32 AM

Only sometimes.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on October 04, 2012
at 04:29 AM

Only most of the time, but not all the time.

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:38 AM

Theres a few aspects to minimising stomach acid. Firstly food PH:

The document I found was called "Approximate pH of Foods and Food Products ". Its by the FDA.

As you can see from this document, the foods that are actually acidic, are ones that taste so: Fruits apart from melons, tomatoes etc.

Most veges, and most meats are not acidic. Dairy products are quite base.

Then theres the stomach production of acid. Protein is the cause of sharp rises in stomach acid. Fat and carbohydrates dont produce a sharp rise. Solid foods give more of a spike, than liquified foods.

So the key to lowering stomach acidity is: No acidic fruit or veges, low protein, higher fat and carbohydrate, more soft or liquified foods, less solid foods.

However, its worth noting the level of medicine confusion over things like reflux. Reflux can be caused by low stomach acid, weakened sphincters in the throat, stomach bacteria and so forth. Theres a host of possibles.

I would thus try this, to do some problem solving tests:

see how you respond to a high protein only type meal (skinless chicken or fish, baked) versus a high fat meal (whipped cream) (or alternatively, a carb only meal - potatoes)

If there is no appreciable difference, then your problems are not stomach acid related. Theres a significant difference between protein and fat and carbs, and liquid and solid foods, in terms of stomach acid production (you may want to lower your stomach acid medication a day or two prior).

If its worse from the protein, then its high stomach acid, or weakened sphinter (your doctor is right). If its worse on the fat, and carbs then its possibly low stomach acid.

If its neither of those (clear difference), then you may have SIBO and you may want to look at gaps and fodmaps diets, probiotics and bone broth. There are also other possibilities.

Its sad that doctors are so useless about some things, but digestive issues is definately an area thats a little too nebulous and complex for most doctors to comprehend.

It should be noted that fodmaps and gaps are paleo compatible. In fact, they lend themselves to paleo.

A high fat, high carb diet, low protein diet as much. (Although you can still do whole foods/paleo-ish and incorporate the ideas). And its worth noting, if you did find a low acid diet, like this useful, that you do need a minimum level of protein to survive, heal, maintain muscles etc. It would be a balancing act.

I am not sure where the science of the diet you are on currently comes from.

All protein raises stomach acid, red meat has no particular difference. Red meat does not have a high ph either. If anything the presence of fat may help. Beef is a very solid meat though. Further, what IS red meat - beef, pork, veal, lamb? Are they all the same because of the colour (lol). would chicken count if you added food colouring? Cooking method? I eat beef in stews (slow cooked) and find it highly digestible myself.

Low protein dairy, like heavy cream, is incredibly settling to high stomach acid, because it is basic in ph, liquid, and low in protein. Thats exactly what science says about it too. Milk not so much, being high in protein.

Although, in avoiding red meat, and dairy in general, you may have lowered your protein intake.

The alcohol, citrus and caffience I agree with fully. Id further that of course, as above, to no low ph fruit, no low ph veg (like tomatos), lower protein in general (but you need some for health).

Avoiding sugar wont affect acidity at all, but may impact gut bacteria, and entirely seperate type of issue.

There alot of nonsense out there about gut stuff too. Its a complex system, and a little nebulous to problem solve. I rely only on scientific studies, and logic, not "folk wisdom". If someone makes a claim - I say - show me the studies, and google it on google scholar.

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:22 AM

I was put on a PPI because the GI thought I had GERD, but once tested, I did not have any symptoms. I think GIs put a lot of people on H2 acid blockers and PPIs a bit excessively, and they can lead to malabsorption of many vitamins and minerals, like calcium and magnesium. When I was on the PPI all I could consume was ginger ale.. seriously.. for like 2 weeks I couldn't eat solid food because everything bothered me.

Once I weaned myself off, I had a few days of "acid rebound" which I understand can be longer the longer you have been taking some sort of acid blocker, basically because your body is making up for lost time and adjusting to making acid again. My brother had a similar problem and was found to have low stomach acid as his real problem, and started a protocol with some apple cider vinegar or lemon juice to help him feel better.

I think not having wheat, and maybe having mono meals of sorts will help you adjust. It can be boring, but sometimes just having eggs and butter, or just having steak or roast can help because your body only has to release the enzymes specific to digesting the one type of food, and that might help you get more red meat in, just having it on its own. Do you supplement anything?

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on October 03, 2012
at 04:46 AM

experiment and be aware. try one trigger at a time in isolation for a few days. see what happens and move on to the next.

i've never noticed any connection to red meat and my reflux (largely sugar triggered, poss. grain as well), so hopefully the same is true for you!

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on October 04, 2012
at 04:26 AM

I was diagnosed with GERD. The doc gave me a list of things not to eat.
I quit my job and it went away. Now I eat anything I want.

Diet is certainly part of the equation, but not the necessarily the answer.

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:19 AM

I am on basically the same restrictions (self-imposed though) except for citrus, & I allow occasional alcohol. So far so good. I eat lots of fish, chicken, & eggs. Can you have pork?
I'm very new at this but I have found a few staple meals, & even simple desserts without refined sugar. I enjoy 'fajitas'-- chicken, onions, red bell pepper, cooked in coconut oil &served with avocado & tomato wedges. If you can have nuts, there are some great grain-free granola bar recipes online. Fine-tuning takes a little time. I say give it a try! If you're following the rules & you feel good, do what you want. <3

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