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Can you eat too much meat?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 07, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Would it be somehow unhealthy to eat 3 pounds of meat a day? I should clarify this isn't all muscle meat it would include a pound a week of organs some bone broth and the meat would be fattier cuts mostly and 78% ground beef all pasture raised organic 100% grass fed and finished.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 16, 2011
at 06:43 PM

Xue, I'm 5'6, and small framed, 130 lbs -- still a little overweight for me. I don't know how useful the comparison would be -- I think there are probably a lot of variables in calorie consumption, but I don't think you need to worry about it too much either. I occasionally have cream, butter or even a little cheese, but rarely. Nuts almost never -- they give me indigestion and bloating and strong sugar cravings whenever I've tried. A little oregano now and then seem okay, garlic and onion not so much. Salt and pepper are fine. The only coconut I can do without cravings is oil. Good luck!

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on August 16, 2011
at 01:49 PM

some people develop sensitivities, intolerance and allergies because they eat the same foods over and over-not saying this happens to everyone, but happened to me!

5d6a58590ba76136e8dc50c561c8ada2

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on August 16, 2011
at 12:37 PM

what do you mean by severe intolerance? i don't understand how this could happen?

5d6a58590ba76136e8dc50c561c8ada2

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on August 16, 2011
at 12:29 PM

also, any dairy/heavy cream/butter? mac nuts? herbs/spices/garlic/onion? coconut flakes? (I'm guessing no, but just to be sure...)

5d6a58590ba76136e8dc50c561c8ada2

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on August 16, 2011
at 12:27 PM

Hey Ambimorph, could I inquire about your height and/or how much you weigh? I'm thinking about trying an all-meat or at least mostly meat diet now, and I'd love to know for comparison :)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on July 17, 2011
at 11:43 PM

OP, I agree on the gorging. One of the gifts of eating this way has been learning to listen to hunger, and not boredom or whatever. Having said that, there are times when hunger is larger than others, and listening to hunger means listening to that, too, and not restricting unnecessarily. Good luck with your ZC eating!

E48833ca4e98b24f35191a02e84cc262

on July 17, 2011
at 03:24 AM

but as for gorging, i think we should only eat what hunger permits us too, thats pretty much what paleo stands for.

E48833ca4e98b24f35191a02e84cc262

on July 17, 2011
at 03:21 AM

im actually attempting a zero-carb diet as we speak. I thought i should put my money(or meat that is...) where my mouth is and get some first-hand results before i suggest advice.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on July 16, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Ah. Well, as far as I know, even the leanest meat has some fat in it. This mistake is being made all over this post; meat is not just protein. Many protein powders are just protein, but they're not meat. And there's no need for dietary carbohydrate. I'm not opposed to it, but physiologically speaking, our bodies can generate the glucose we need from protein directly.

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on July 09, 2011
at 01:37 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation

E48833ca4e98b24f35191a02e84cc262

on July 09, 2011
at 12:21 AM

eating only meat

2ab6415f5f20b8fe1d34a94c7be85e6a

on July 08, 2011
at 07:10 AM

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on July 08, 2011
at 03:40 AM

What is "straight meat?"

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on July 08, 2011
at 02:27 AM

Yup. For a few weeks recently I was having an ounce of baker's chocolate a couple of times a week, and I've had a glass of wine a half dozen times in the last year and a half, but it's been pretty much all meat for about 20 months.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

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on July 07, 2011
at 09:00 PM

I've wondered that too, but it was practically all they ate. They took along some dried soup stuff as a last resort, and they ate berries and stuff when they came across it, but their normal meal was meat with a side of meat. Throw in a full day of rowing and/or hiking with a heavy pack, and it starts to sound more reasonable -- especially if, as you suggest, bones and fat that cooked away were included in that weight.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 07, 2011
at 07:26 PM

her recommendations are based on the only very recently done, and even at that very early on, research on mTor. Purely hypothesis, nothing long term studied at all. her recommendations based on that is ridiculous.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 07, 2011
at 05:45 PM

Paul's assertion is preposterous. 600 calories of protein would be just about 150 grams of protein per day. Ludicrous. His assertion might be somewhat applicable to someone who sits at their computer all day but as soon as one becomes active and engages in exercise that abuses muscles to the extent that they are stimulated to grow back stronger their bodies most certainly do have an "ability to use more than 600 calores per day of protein." Be wary of who you believe.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

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on July 07, 2011
at 05:32 PM

i agree with you, but i also cook veggies in bone broth and eat 8 oz of liver a week so i think i'm covered...

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

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on July 07, 2011
at 05:31 PM

meat definitely doesn't cause gout. since paleo, i've upped my meat content considerably without any related gout problems. the reduction in fructose has made my gout disappear. the only problem i've had with it is when i went overboard with a bag of oranges trying to stave off a cold last winter. my bad.

1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

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on July 07, 2011
at 04:41 PM

+1 for Dr. Google!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 07, 2011
at 04:40 PM

I'm doing north of 300 grams of protein per day...thinking that's something like 1.75-2 pounds per day. Three would be a lot.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 07, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Meat doesn't cause the gout, the person's messed up metabolism does. The mood etc stuff you mention from LC people is not from too much meat, it's from too little carbohydrate. No one said paleo is high meat, the OP simply asked about consumption.

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on July 07, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Dr. Google. Ha! I like that.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:32 PM

Interestingly enough, I currently pinning my tummy troubles on an excess of cysteine. (I get tested next week at the hemotologist). I have eliminated all high thiol(sulfur) foods Except meat to try to avoid the excess levels of cysteine. I don't dare cut back on meat, when my diet is so limited already. I am hoping just cutting out the higher levels fruits and veg will be enough. I am also taking molybendum to try to help. (This is currently dr. googles prescription).

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:18 PM

Ambimorph - you're on an all meat diet, everyday?

7f9245b993d1771ed5303e0a4f319290

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:16 PM

by taking the place of, I mean there is an imbalance between your protein consumption and the consumption of veg/fruits/fat with the scales tipping towards a much higher amount of protein. This link may be helpful: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dietary-protein/

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:15 PM

I don't agree. A diet high in meat can cause gout, which can vary from annoying to debilitating. Some people on a high-meat, very low carb diet have problems with digestion, energy, moods, etc. You see those complaints here as well as forums that discuss the Atkins diet. I think it is a mistake to assume that the Paleo diet means eating nothing but tons of meat. I think Mark Sisson's "Primal" diet makes a lot more sense as it emphasizes certain fruits and vegetables.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:10 PM

Hey Wozza, love to see some kind of citation or reference. I kind of doubt what you're saying but I'm open to changing my mind if I see some kind of evidence.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:10 PM

@Ambi, really? Cool by me. I just kind of apologetically add in the renal thing because if you don't someone's bound to say, "no if your kidneys are damaged you can't eat protein!". Sigh. Thanks for the info, though.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on July 07, 2011
at 02:42 PM

yes, the dreaded meat sweats!

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on July 07, 2011
at 02:09 PM

You know what, you are correct! Excess dietary protein, given there is glucose consumption adequate to supply usual needs, is actually converted to ammonia by a process called deamination, and then to uric acid in order to be excreted. Which doesn't sound exactly healthful, to me.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on July 07, 2011
at 01:41 PM

Extra protein doesn't normally get turned into glucose. Gluconeogenesis is an on-demand process.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on July 07, 2011
at 01:39 PM

Even the renal issue may not be a concern. I've seen evidence that studies are conflating protein intake with that of phosphorous.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

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on July 07, 2011
at 01:39 PM

i eat 2-3 lbs of meat a day and feel great doing it. any less and i feel hungry and it makes me overeat on other things...

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on July 07, 2011
at 01:35 PM

"Women like me" . There are many amazing women in the world, but I don't know that there are any of those. ;-)

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on July 07, 2011
at 01:35 PM

Over a year and a half and still feeling better than ever, gn. I wouldn't do it just for nobility.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on July 07, 2011
at 01:16 PM

Well, there we will have to disagree (seeing that I ate about 300g of fat yesterday). However, I wouldn't eat it to such excess if I could tolerate more carbs or protein. More than 200g carbs makes my blood sugar dive, too much protein makes me feel very funny (with the sweats etc), I am still 5 lbs underweight so what can I do?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on July 07, 2011
at 12:48 PM

I still have trouble wrapping my head around the reported 9 pounds of meat per day. I wonder if similar reports of high meat consumption exist from other expeditions? The other thing I wonder is whether the figure was based on the animal's hanging weight - if so, the actual pounds eaten would be a bit less. Nine pounds! That's 36 quarter pounders per day. Without the buns and cheese, of course. (And about 900 grams of protein!)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 07, 2011
at 12:18 PM

eating "ridiculous amounts" of fat would be even worse

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

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on July 07, 2011
at 11:36 AM

Where are the women like you in central Ohio?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 07, 2011
at 10:46 AM

"2 pounds of meat per day (and nothing else)" - - - now, that's beautiful!!! no, really: pure carnivory - though a long term one is rather questionable in many respects - sounds [and feels] so noble, exquisite and... luscious: weakness felt for a certain period is more than fully redeemed by slimming out and what can be called an 'animal elation'

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

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on July 07, 2011
at 10:11 AM

Just to add I maintained a body weight of 185 during this experiment. Upwards of 3 months, but I only tracked it for a week near the end.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 07, 2011
at 12:24 PM

Its unfortunate to see high levels of meat-consumption feared even in the paleo sphere.

All other things being, there is no amount of protein-intake that has ever been shown to have any detrimental effects. Period.

Digression: You mention merely 3 pounds of ???meat???, not protein. We have no idea what percentage of the thing you refer to as meat contains protein, fat, bone, etc. So, your 3 pounds of meat could be 40% fat, etc. That would have the high-fat paleo crew applauding. On the other hand it could of course have very little fat in which case alarmists would scream ???rabbit starvation!???

Then of course if you suffer renal issues then this consumption would be a problem. But of course you haven???t mentioned that.

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:15 PM

I don't agree. A diet high in meat can cause gout, which can vary from annoying to debilitating. Some people on a high-meat, very low carb diet have problems with digestion, energy, moods, etc. You see those complaints here as well as forums that discuss the Atkins diet. I think it is a mistake to assume that the Paleo diet means eating nothing but tons of meat. I think Mark Sisson's "Primal" diet makes a lot more sense as it emphasizes certain fruits and vegetables.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:10 PM

@Ambi, really? Cool by me. I just kind of apologetically add in the renal thing because if you don't someone's bound to say, "no if your kidneys are damaged you can't eat protein!". Sigh. Thanks for the info, though.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 07, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Meat doesn't cause the gout, the person's messed up metabolism does. The mood etc stuff you mention from LC people is not from too much meat, it's from too little carbohydrate. No one said paleo is high meat, the OP simply asked about consumption.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on July 07, 2011
at 05:31 PM

meat definitely doesn't cause gout. since paleo, i've upped my meat content considerably without any related gout problems. the reduction in fructose has made my gout disappear. the only problem i've had with it is when i went overboard with a bag of oranges trying to stave off a cold last winter. my bad.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on July 07, 2011
at 01:39 PM

Even the renal issue may not be a concern. I've seen evidence that studies are conflating protein intake with that of phosphorous.

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100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on July 07, 2011
at 10:28 AM

It depends on how hungry you are. If 3 pounds of meat is what it takes to satiate you, then it would be good for you to eat it. I usually eat about 2 pounds of meat per day (and nothing else).

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on July 07, 2011
at 01:35 PM

"Women like me" . There are many amazing women in the world, but I don't know that there are any of those. ;-)

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:18 PM

Ambimorph - you're on an all meat diet, everyday?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on July 07, 2011
at 01:35 PM

Over a year and a half and still feeling better than ever, gn. I wouldn't do it just for nobility.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 07, 2011
at 10:46 AM

"2 pounds of meat per day (and nothing else)" - - - now, that's beautiful!!! no, really: pure carnivory - though a long term one is rather questionable in many respects - sounds [and feels] so noble, exquisite and... luscious: weakness felt for a certain period is more than fully redeemed by slimming out and what can be called an 'animal elation'

2ab6415f5f20b8fe1d34a94c7be85e6a

on July 08, 2011
at 07:10 AM

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on July 08, 2011
at 02:27 AM

Yup. For a few weeks recently I was having an ounce of baker's chocolate a couple of times a week, and I've had a glass of wine a half dozen times in the last year and a half, but it's been pretty much all meat for about 20 months.

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

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on July 07, 2011
at 11:36 AM

Where are the women like you in central Ohio?

5d6a58590ba76136e8dc50c561c8ada2

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on August 16, 2011
at 12:29 PM

also, any dairy/heavy cream/butter? mac nuts? herbs/spices/garlic/onion? coconut flakes? (I'm guessing no, but just to be sure...)

5d6a58590ba76136e8dc50c561c8ada2

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on August 16, 2011
at 12:27 PM

Hey Ambimorph, could I inquire about your height and/or how much you weigh? I'm thinking about trying an all-meat or at least mostly meat diet now, and I'd love to know for comparison :)

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 16, 2011
at 06:43 PM

Xue, I'm 5'6, and small framed, 130 lbs -- still a little overweight for me. I don't know how useful the comparison would be -- I think there are probably a lot of variables in calorie consumption, but I don't think you need to worry about it too much either. I occasionally have cream, butter or even a little cheese, but rarely. Nuts almost never -- they give me indigestion and bloating and strong sugar cravings whenever I've tried. A little oregano now and then seem okay, garlic and onion not so much. Salt and pepper are fine. The only coconut I can do without cravings is oil. Good luck!

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A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on July 07, 2011
at 01:29 PM

Interesting thoughts here from Chris Masterjohn about glutathione and how cool it is. He talks about how getting enough protein is necessary, but getting too much protein is problematic!

Here's a quote:

Our bodies synthesize glutathione from protein. The most important amino acid needed for glutathione synthesis is cysteine. Cysteine is a sulfur-containing amino acid that is found in the diet, especially in animal proteins, and that our livers also make from methionine, another sulfur amino acid. These are the same dreaded sulfur amino acids that vegetarians claim leach calcium from our bones. As I pointed out in a blog post a few months ago, they don???t.

Studies in both rats and humans show that deficient intakes of these supposedly bone-eroding sulfur amino acids lead to a deficient synthesis of glutathione. The more extensive rat studies show that glutathione increases as dietary protein increases, and that related antioxidant and detoxification enzymes increase in tandem. In fact, this is true even when the protein is the supposedly cancer-causing milk protein, casein.

There is just one problem, however. Once we meet our requirement for protein and sulfur amino acids, eating extra protein or sulfur amino acids fails to boost glutathione any further. Rats need to consume about 15 percent of calories from protein in order to maximize levels of glutathione and its associated antioxidant and detoxification enzymes. Preliminary evidence in humans suggests that the glutathione-boosting power of protein maxes out at one gram of protein per kilogram of body weight per day and 24 milligrams of sulfur amino acids per day. For someone who weighs 110 pounds, this is 50 grams of protein per day; for someone who weighs 150 pounds, it???s about 70 grams of protein per day, and for someone who weigh 180 pounds, it???s about 80 grams of protein per day. Consuming this amount of protein from virtually any mix of whole foods will satisfy the requirement for sulfur amino acids.

Excess cysteine, in fact, when consumed as a free amino acid, can actually deplete glutathione levels. Why? As it turns out, cysteine can be toxic because of its vulnerability to oxidation. Except in acidic environments like the digestive tract, cysteine rapidly oxidizes and generates free radicals that can wreak havoc on the delicate structures of our cells and tissues. Consequently, our bodies don???t let free cysteine hang around, and when we eat lots of it, we convert the excess to taurine and sulfate and get rid of it.

Food for thought.

1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

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on July 07, 2011
at 04:41 PM

+1 for Dr. Google!

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:32 PM

Interestingly enough, I currently pinning my tummy troubles on an excess of cysteine. (I get tested next week at the hemotologist). I have eliminated all high thiol(sulfur) foods Except meat to try to avoid the excess levels of cysteine. I don't dare cut back on meat, when my diet is so limited already. I am hoping just cutting out the higher levels fruits and veg will be enough. I am also taking molybendum to try to help. (This is currently dr. googles prescription).

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on July 07, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Dr. Google. Ha! I like that.

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on July 07, 2011
at 12:22 PM

According to Chris Masterjohn:

Muscle meats and eggs are very rich in methionine, which increases our need for homocysteine-neutralizing nutrients (vitamins B6, B12, folate, betaine, and choline), and also increases our need for the amino acid glycine, found most abundantly in skin and bones.

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/cholesterol-blog.html

Eating 3lbs of muscle meat isn't really paleo. If you ate 3lbs of whole animal(like rabbit stew, etc) than yea that's pretty legit since you're getting the whole animal nutrients and not just massive amounts of methionine.

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on July 07, 2011
at 05:32 PM

i agree with you, but i also cook veggies in bone broth and eat 8 oz of liver a week so i think i'm covered...

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on July 07, 2011
at 11:17 AM

Three pounds of 80% lean ground beef contains about 3500 calories, and that assumes you aren't pouring off any of the fat that cooks away. Three pounds of beef top loin steak, broiled, has about 3400. So it's not really that drastic an amount of energy, especially if that's all you're eating. A Domino's 14-inch Extravaganzza has 3000, and many were the times I'd eat one of those with a couple sodas for a single meal, back in my junk-food days. (Numbers from USDA database.)

Lewis and Clark reported that their crew ate nine pounds of meat per man per day, when they could get it. Of course, they were exercising very hard, rowing upriver and the like. But that's still a lot of meat.

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on July 07, 2011
at 12:48 PM

I still have trouble wrapping my head around the reported 9 pounds of meat per day. I wonder if similar reports of high meat consumption exist from other expeditions? The other thing I wonder is whether the figure was based on the animal's hanging weight - if so, the actual pounds eaten would be a bit less. Nine pounds! That's 36 quarter pounders per day. Without the buns and cheese, of course. (And about 900 grams of protein!)

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on July 07, 2011
at 09:00 PM

I've wondered that too, but it was practically all they ate. They took along some dried soup stuff as a last resort, and they ate berries and stuff when they came across it, but their normal meal was meat with a side of meat. Throw in a full day of rowing and/or hiking with a heavy pack, and it starts to sound more reasonable -- especially if, as you suggest, bones and fat that cooked away were included in that weight.

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C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

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on July 07, 2011
at 10:10 AM

I have done it before in the past.

My metabolism went though the roof, I was sweating my ass off doing nothing. I was ranging upwards in the 5000-6000 calories a day.

I physically felt fine, but anything with a metabolic rate killed me. I remember laying on the gym floor and I could feel the sweat running off me and pooling on the floor, when I got up their was a small pond on the floor.

It was hard on my system and I really have no idea why someone would want (as I had to force myself to eat at least one of my meal a day when stick with 3.)

It was 3lbs of grass fed beef as well.

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on July 07, 2011
at 10:11 AM

Just to add I maintained a body weight of 185 during this experiment. Upwards of 3 months, but I only tracked it for a week near the end.

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on July 07, 2011
at 02:42 PM

yes, the dreaded meat sweats!

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:12 PM

Eating this much meat is not necessarily unhealthy or harmful to the body, but there are a few reasons why eating upwards of 3 lbs of meat may not be the best choice. Some of the amino acids in protein are converted to glucose, but this doesn't enter the bloodstream or effect insulin levels. Mark Sisson (I'm sure you've heard of him) recommends eating around 1 gram of protein per pound of body mass each day. Eating more than this is not unhealthy, but they are good guidelines to stick to. Also, it depends on whether or not the meat is grass-fed or grain-fed. Grass-fed beef contains more omega-3 fatty acids, and grain-fed beef contains mostly omega-6 FAs. Grass-fed beef (preferably organic and pasture-raised as well) is infinitely better for you (and better tasting to boot). In my opinion, the only unhealthy aspects about eating this much meat are if it is poor quality (i.e. conventionally raised: grain-fed, contains antibiotics/hormones, possibly inhumanely raised) and if it is taking the place of healthy, antioxidant-rich vegetables and fruits, and healthy fats.

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on July 07, 2011
at 03:16 PM

by taking the place of, I mean there is an imbalance between your protein consumption and the consumption of veg/fruits/fat with the scales tipping towards a much higher amount of protein. This link may be helpful: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dietary-protein/

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on July 08, 2011
at 03:42 AM

Honestly... I can't imagine eating that much. 4-5 oz is my limit. Then again, I'm a girl, and I understand guys can eat more. I'm trying to figure out how to get more protein, but it all involves eating things that get me stuffed quickly... 3 oz sirloin tonight and I feel like I'm going to burst!

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on July 08, 2011
at 03:30 AM

I assume that you are hungry for these three pounds of meat? Personally, eating all you want and not suffering any consequences doesn't sound paleo to me. first off, you need some kind of energy source(fat/carbohydrate) proportional to your protein intake, and theres only so much of those that you can ingest in a day and deem it 'healthy'(the alternative is eating straight meat, and good luck if your attempting that. Seriously). if your active and burning majority of what your eating, then cool. But i dont like the idea of eating all you can eat meat, it doesn't sound healthy at all, even if i couldn't tell you why. Nothing in life works that way, and if you know anything about studies done on life span and calorie restriction, then you would ponder on the advice you're given.

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on July 08, 2011
at 03:40 AM

What is "straight meat?"

E48833ca4e98b24f35191a02e84cc262

on July 09, 2011
at 12:21 AM

eating only meat

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on July 16, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Ah. Well, as far as I know, even the leanest meat has some fat in it. This mistake is being made all over this post; meat is not just protein. Many protein powders are just protein, but they're not meat. And there's no need for dietary carbohydrate. I'm not opposed to it, but physiologically speaking, our bodies can generate the glucose we need from protein directly.

E48833ca4e98b24f35191a02e84cc262

on July 17, 2011
at 03:21 AM

im actually attempting a zero-carb diet as we speak. I thought i should put my money(or meat that is...) where my mouth is and get some first-hand results before i suggest advice.

E48833ca4e98b24f35191a02e84cc262

on July 17, 2011
at 03:24 AM

but as for gorging, i think we should only eat what hunger permits us too, thats pretty much what paleo stands for.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on July 17, 2011
at 11:43 PM

OP, I agree on the gorging. One of the gifts of eating this way has been learning to listen to hunger, and not boredom or whatever. Having said that, there are times when hunger is larger than others, and listening to hunger means listening to that, too, and not restricting unnecessarily. Good luck with your ZC eating!

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D5c9d66dc61b350c691fc79ece5c1d7b

on July 07, 2011
at 07:13 PM

Nora Gedgaudus recommends about 50 grams of protein a day, unless you are an intense athlete. She says that the body needs this much protein for maintenance functions, and that anything above this turns to glucose.

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(15976)

on July 07, 2011
at 07:26 PM

her recommendations are based on the only very recently done, and even at that very early on, research on mTor. Purely hypothesis, nothing long term studied at all. her recommendations based on that is ridiculous.

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(8767)

on July 07, 2011
at 06:17 PM

Just my experience, when I was on Atkins, i over did it on meat and pretty much eliminated everything else (a almost pure protein diet) and I developed severe intolerance to pretty much all proteins. Which I am still, 7 yrs later, trying to heal from.

Now this is an extreme case of what not to do. But I wonder if I had kept some other foods in my diet would it have been as severe or not at all??

So I guess if you are still balancing your carbs and fat you could be ok but what is your purpose for such high amts?

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(8767)

on August 16, 2011
at 01:49 PM

some people develop sensitivities, intolerance and allergies because they eat the same foods over and over-not saying this happens to everyone, but happened to me!

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(450)

on August 16, 2011
at 12:37 PM

what do you mean by severe intolerance? i don't understand how this could happen?

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D5096ff5baffc0ba5d20b21346414a7a

(1112)

on July 07, 2011
at 05:12 PM

According to Paul Jaminet (Perfect Health Diet) "even on a zero-carb diet, the body has no ability to use more than 600 calories per day of protein. He also says that "saturated and monounsaturated fats are chemically stable... and are the healthiest macronutrients to eat in large quantities. Every other macronutrient becomes toxic in excess: glucose above about 600 calories per day, protein above about 600 calories per day, polyunsaturated fats above about 100 calories per day." As I understand this, that would be the protein calories in the meat you are eating and not the fat calories that you are counting in your 600.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 07, 2011
at 05:45 PM

Paul's assertion is preposterous. 600 calories of protein would be just about 150 grams of protein per day. Ludicrous. His assertion might be somewhat applicable to someone who sits at their computer all day but as soon as one becomes active and engages in exercise that abuses muscles to the extent that they are stimulated to grow back stronger their bodies most certainly do have an "ability to use more than 600 calores per day of protein." Be wary of who you believe.

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(2437)

on July 07, 2011
at 11:48 AM

You can definitely eat too much protein, so make sure you're eating plenty of fat along with it.

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(15976)

on July 07, 2011
at 03:10 PM

Hey Wozza, love to see some kind of citation or reference. I kind of doubt what you're saying but I'm open to changing my mind if I see some kind of evidence.

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(2437)

on July 09, 2011
at 01:37 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation

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26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on July 07, 2011
at 11:32 AM

Yes, as I don't think a very high protein diet is very healthy. 3 lbs of meat is a ridiculous amount of protein, so excessive that your body has no choice but to convert much of it to glucose, even if you are eating glucose.

Like Ryan lots of extra protein (and at 105 lbs, 'extra' isn't too much over 100g) makes me 'burn hot' and lose my appetite. But I don't gain weight from that; I don't really gain weight from anything.

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(18696)

on July 07, 2011
at 01:41 PM

Extra protein doesn't normally get turned into glucose. Gluconeogenesis is an on-demand process.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 07, 2011
at 01:16 PM

Well, there we will have to disagree (seeing that I ate about 300g of fat yesterday). However, I wouldn't eat it to such excess if I could tolerate more carbs or protein. More than 200g carbs makes my blood sugar dive, too much protein makes me feel very funny (with the sweats etc), I am still 5 lbs underweight so what can I do?

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(78467)

on July 07, 2011
at 12:18 PM

eating "ridiculous amounts" of fat would be even worse

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(7967)

on July 07, 2011
at 02:09 PM

You know what, you are correct! Excess dietary protein, given there is glucose consumption adequate to supply usual needs, is actually converted to ammonia by a process called deamination, and then to uric acid in order to be excreted. Which doesn't sound exactly healthful, to me.

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