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Pescatarian to Carnivore : first meal recommendations?

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Created July 04, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Trying to go full-on Paleo... Been a pescatarian for 7 or so years... I'm going to take myself out to a real meal... Any recommendations? Specifically in DC / NoVA area. Or- where to buy good natural organic, grass-fed, etc meat to cook myself.

Thanks

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on July 08, 2012
at 06:30 PM

To the OP: In the DC/NoVa area go to Lebanese Taverna.

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on July 08, 2012
at 05:33 PM

ALSO, check out the DC Meat Up group on Facebook; I haven't gone to any of their functions but they are full of good resources and get together pretty often for dinners.

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on July 04, 2012
at 11:32 PM

Some people might worry about mercury and other contaminants if a very large percentage of the diet comprises fish. I have read these concerns can be overblown, and I want to believe that. But maybe introducing larger variety can help spread the risks around.

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on July 04, 2012
at 11:28 PM

@bachcole: I have loved dogs and cats, so I don't eat them. But I have not loved pigs, cows, sheep and goats, nor fish or fowl. Is feeling love the correct barometer for deciding what animals to eat? Perhaps it is for the individual, and that is legitimate. But one person's love is another's indifference, or even dislike.

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on July 04, 2012
at 09:33 PM

I'm not sure any amount of any other animal can prepare intestines for steak. I would simply start with small amounts to get the microbiota on board, and only IF problems are experienced. I experienced zero troubles going from vegetarian back to meat, but IMMV and all that.

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on July 04, 2012
at 09:10 PM

My issue is I've hit a major plateau in my strength training ... I need to eat more food to continue to build muscle and lose fat ... there's only so much seafood I can eat. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that the addition of red meat may help me to put on muscle and have nore energy.

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on July 04, 2012
at 08:58 PM

As a previous pescitarian myself, I'd advise against jumping straight in with steak as it can feel hard to digest at first. I ate my first steak about 4 months ago and I've been eating red meat for 7 or so years (and my did it taste great!) Try something relatively light - bacon, shredded chicken, slow cooked lamb.

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on July 04, 2012
at 08:10 PM

Grass fed beef has a much better fatty acid profile than chicken or pork. Fish is fine, but Dr. Harris recommends primarily eating ruminants and eggs for protein choices.

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on July 04, 2012
at 06:26 PM

My question as not judgmental and I said as much. I still want to know why it is nutritionally superior to eat mammals as opposed to non-mammals. I eat fowl and fish because I need the nutrition. Is there nutrition in mammals that I will not find in non-mammals? I have not had the experience of feeling love and affection for non-mammals, although I have for parrots. (So, I don't eat parrots.) I don't dislike chickens and fish. I just don't feel love and affection for them. Just because one does not feel love & affection for something does not mean that one hates that something.

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on July 04, 2012
at 01:41 PM

agreed, everyone handles food different, hence the need to 'test the waters' at first,..I'm all about not suffering if at all possible (I don't always follow my own advice either! :)

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on July 04, 2012
at 01:21 PM

Nutrients. Fat content. Maybe they just decided it was unfair picking on fish and plants all the time, and decided to spread it around :P

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on July 04, 2012
at 01:09 PM

Because it tastes good?

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on July 04, 2012
at 01:09 PM

My $0.02, red meat actually settles my stomach and gives me a sense of well being. Years ago I was vegetarian for 3 years, and I broke the spell with a big serving of grilled london broil and had no issues. Some people can digest meat and red meat without a problem.

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on July 04, 2012
at 09:39 AM

your food choices are totally up to you, bachcole, but your comment doesn't address the OP's question. Charlie's motivations are his business, and your comment seems judgmental to me. Mammals are warm and fuzzy and cute, true, maybe you like them, but that's neither here nor there. Mountain lions don't differentiate between chickens and children, BTW. Food is food.

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on July 04, 2012
at 04:38 AM

@bachcole - so I take it you don't like chickens and fish? They are so cute! When I was growing up, I had a pet chicken. I raised it from a little chick. Chickens are very smart and cuddly. They recognize people and they run to you when you call them.

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on July 04, 2012
at 04:03 AM

I'd avoid organ meats as the first foray into red meat territory.

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on July 04, 2012
at 04:01 AM

What the hell kind of question is that, bachcole? Why do you find it necessary to eat fowl?

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at 03:47 AM

Why? I do fish and fowl but I will not eat something that I could love and feel love and affection for. That is not a health issue; it is a spiritual issue. I have loved cows, goats, dogs, cats, ferrets, and probably other mammals, so I won't eat them. Why do you find it necessary to eat mammals? Really, I am just asking, not trying to give you a hard time.

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A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on July 04, 2012
at 08:25 PM

Elevation Burger has a few locations in Arlington, VA if that is convenient for you. Grass fed organic burgers and they will serve them wrapped in lettuce on request. It's just a burger joint and the rest of the menu (fries/shakes) is not paleo, but the burger is pretty good. My favorite burger in the NoVA area is Five Guys, they grind the beef fresh, but it's not grass fed or organic - and they haven't figured out how to wrap lettuce around the burger yet.

Chipotle can be an option, but read some posts here to avoid the pitfalls. Genghis Grill could be an option. I like pho soup places, but MSG might be a problem. Eating out it somewhat problematic, depending on how "pure paleo" you are trying to be.

To buy for home prep - Whole Foods and farmers markets. I go to the farmer's market in Old Town Alexandria on Saturday mornings. And we still buy a lot of food at Safeway and Giant.

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on July 04, 2012
at 02:49 AM

Sounds like you are looking for a recommendation for your first bite of meat (beef / chicken / pork)?

If you want to take it slow you might try a Peruvian chicken place which usually have great chicken, try El Pollo Rico or Super Chicken.

There is also kebabs, I like Moby Dick, several locations around the area.

If you are feeling more adventurous, try a French bistro and get steak frite (steak with a great pan sauce and fries) which must be one of the best gustatory treats known to meat eaters. Or even more adventurous, get the organ meats or steak tartare you'll probably find on the menu.

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on July 04, 2012
at 04:03 AM

I'd avoid organ meats as the first foray into red meat territory.

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 04, 2012
at 04:49 AM

It is weird, but I find that not all grass-fed meats are made the same. I found one brand that is very tasty, but the rest of them were not.

I have an odd idea, but you might consider doing it. Go to the best Lebanese restaurant in your area and tell them you are gluten-intolerant so you cannot have any bread, etc. Order some lamb kebabs and a side salad. If you are not gluten-sensitive it will be okay even it is cross-contaminated. But at least you will not have aversion to meat, because Lebanese know how to make it taste good.

Do not get lula kebab - it is like a lamb hamburger on a stick and it does not taste as well. Just get a regular lamb kebab.

Then you will know what good meat suppose to taste like.

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on July 08, 2012
at 06:30 PM

To the OP: In the DC/NoVa area go to Lebanese Taverna.

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F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

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on July 04, 2012
at 03:11 AM

Ribeye steak, medium rare.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

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on July 04, 2012
at 09:33 PM

I'm not sure any amount of any other animal can prepare intestines for steak. I would simply start with small amounts to get the microbiota on board, and only IF problems are experienced. I experienced zero troubles going from vegetarian back to meat, but IMMV and all that.

E1e798ccd4eed67665652941b9ef7796

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on July 04, 2012
at 08:58 PM

As a previous pescitarian myself, I'd advise against jumping straight in with steak as it can feel hard to digest at first. I ate my first steak about 4 months ago and I've been eating red meat for 7 or so years (and my did it taste great!) Try something relatively light - bacon, shredded chicken, slow cooked lamb.

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on July 08, 2012
at 05:32 PM

I second Elevation Burger, there's one at National Harbor and a couple others in NoVA. Virtue Feed & Grain in Old Town Alexandria is great (I've had tongue salad, duck confit, marrow bones, all really tasty), as is Mai Thai (also in Old Town; I always get this awesome crispy duck dish).

24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

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on July 08, 2012
at 05:33 PM

ALSO, check out the DC Meat Up group on Facebook; I haven't gone to any of their functions but they are full of good resources and get together pretty often for dinners.

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on July 05, 2012
at 09:01 AM

+1 for Rib Eye Steak. We ate it tonight for the 4th and it was heavenly. We popped it into a freezer bag with some soy sauce and rice vinegar and let it sit for several hours (makes it tast great and tenderizes the snot out of any cut!), then popped it into a very hot (just starts to smoke) cast iron pan for 3-4 minutes per side. Let the steak rest on the cutting board while you deglase with 1c water, then add 2tbsp of butter. Saute one onion and one bell pepper in the pan mix, then serve with white rice and cauliflower and an impressive IPA. Good Stuff.

Recomendation #2: Tri-tip over the grill. Cook it low and slow and take it off the grill when the internal temp reaches ~120F. Serve with a nice salad of greens, served with blue cheese and macademia nuts and an olive oil and balsamic dressing.

Or you could wean yourself with Filet Mignon and Lobster. Pino Noir goes well with this combo!

Enjoy!

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on July 05, 2012
at 04:59 AM

As far as what you -should- try out first, that could go a lot of ways. A steak might be a bit more than you want to start off with as far as texture and digestibility. Roasted poultry, whether it is chicken, turkey, or duck might be a good place to start.

More importantly, I would suggest to absolutely NOT eat any significant quantity of pork until you've first had a chance to adjust to meats, and then start slow on the pork. Pork can cause some -severe- digestive upset if you aren't used to consuming it. I've had many relatives and friends who grew up eating kosher/halaal and then chose to eat pork as an adult, and really got sick when they went out for baby back ribs or a big hunk of tenderloin.

Welcome back to meat! Hope your first serving is delish!

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on July 04, 2012
at 11:38 PM

Perhaps you could go for something that incorporates a small amount of meat into a larger dish, like a soup or stew, and not put the emphasis of the entire dish/meal on a hunk of meat, which might get a little off-putting after a few bites. Otherwise, I might choose a ground-meat product like the burgers mentioned, or perhaps a breakfast meal with some sausage. Easy to eat, seasoned with herbs/spices, and not terribly muscle-tissue-y.

If you don't fear the muscle, or a little...er...red juice...then by all means head to the best steakhouse you can find and have one medium rare! In that case, consider a filet type cut: tender as can be, and mild flavor.

I know they have Whole Foods in DC, and they carry grass-fed beef. Not sure about NoVA.

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on July 04, 2012
at 01:24 PM

Roast lamb chops are delish, and soft to eat too.

If you have steak, have it reasonable rare, and a good cut, so its also soft.

Dont want your first meat meal to be gristly.

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on July 04, 2012
at 11:58 AM

Not sure I understand why you are doing this...

Mercury pollution aside, isn't eating fish just as paleo as eating meat?

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 04, 2012
at 01:21 PM

Nutrients. Fat content. Maybe they just decided it was unfair picking on fish and plants all the time, and decided to spread it around :P

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on July 04, 2012
at 01:09 PM

Because it tastes good?

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on July 04, 2012
at 11:32 PM

Some people might worry about mercury and other contaminants if a very large percentage of the diet comprises fish. I have read these concerns can be overblown, and I want to believe that. But maybe introducing larger variety can help spread the risks around.

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345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on July 04, 2012
at 10:57 AM

I would only just recommend you start slowly because 'meat' is much harder on digestion than fish, so for you, it could cause some upset and maybe that is not the best way to start out.

Boiled chicken legs/thighs until the meat falls off the bones is great (use the liquid from braising for a 'gravy' ...puree one boiled onion in the broth and cook down, presto, gravy!)

I would do this for a few days and see if all ok, then start adding meat in...again the boiled/braised meats will be easier on digestion. When you do switch to meats make sure you chew well and don't overfeed to start.

Whats easier to digest is probably up to your body, but it will tell you!

good luck with the additions! eat what you want and enjoy!

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on July 04, 2012
at 01:09 PM

My $0.02, red meat actually settles my stomach and gives me a sense of well being. Years ago I was vegetarian for 3 years, and I broke the spell with a big serving of grilled london broil and had no issues. Some people can digest meat and red meat without a problem.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on July 04, 2012
at 01:41 PM

agreed, everyone handles food different, hence the need to 'test the waters' at first,..I'm all about not suffering if at all possible (I don't always follow my own advice either! :)

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