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Having a limited food list?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 25, 2012 at 7:18 AM

I have an awful time binging and if I am "loose" with my meal plan, I tend to binge binge binge. I just binged on massive amounts of bacon, eggs, butter and spinach. I can binge on ANYTHING if I give myself any leeway. I don't have "intuitive" eating right now. Eating lots of protein and fats or a moderate carb intake STILL leads to binging. I can eat 2000 a day with most of it being fats and proteins and still binge at 11 p.m. I binge out of habit, not from "deficiencies"...I am highly sugar sensitive and fruit often leads to me binging, as well as small amounts of other carbs. I do best on low carb but if if I eat an apple...it often leads to me shooting right for crackers, chips, etc.

I am wondering if a more controlled meal plan will be helpful for me.

I easily meet my protein needs through this and think that I'll get my good share of fats.

So basically, my shopping list will look like this:

Coffee Pastured Eggs Coconut oil Coconut milk Rotating vegetables
Rotating fruit (blueberries, banana, grapefruit) Rotating seafood (shrimp, salmon, sardines)

Thoughts on pre-planning and limited food lists? Otherwise, I go into the dangerous territory of "everything in moderation" and then I literally eat EVERYTHING in "moderation"

I know I'll get prompts to eat red meat, and IF I find a well-priced grass-fed source around here, I MIGHT do that twice a week instead of seafood for dinner.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

For cheaper probiotics, I've had weird experiences with kombucha, some people swear by it, but it was odd for me, I've bought the kind from the store, and even brewed my own, and it always gave a little bit of a sore throat. Sauerkraut and kim chi on the other hand is where it's at for me, the salty spicy garlicky goodness of kim chi makes my belly especially happy, and has even stopped a few colds before they could take hold. Home made sauerkraut is cheap and easy too, just need some big jars, cabbage, salt, and a lot of elbow grease.

76d70438d2442d21206b8e5528d23d23

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on March 26, 2012
at 12:17 PM

YW, and I'm glad the meal planning ideas helped. B12 is only in animal products, so the greens won't help you with that. Chicken eggs don't really have that much, though they do have some. The fish have more than I realized, though; looks like the salmon and sardines will see you through on that one! http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/foods-high-in-vitamin-B12.php

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:49 PM

...was born with a bottomless appetite, so I'm pretty familiar with "hollow leg" thing, even as a baby he would crawl from plate to plate around the table and finish everyone's food. We are pretty sure it stems from something being screwed up in his ghrelin production, and possibly the result of our family not having enough to eat when my mom was pregnant, and going without food herself so the other kids could eat. Did you ever go through nutrient deprivation before you were fully grown, like early dieting? With the out of body experience feeling, I think that is more based in gut bacteria.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:38 PM

...the CAFO meat went against my moral beliefs, but I needed to be selfish for a while and put my well being ahead of a few cows so that I could get strong enough and clear headed enough to get a better paying job and be able seek out food sources that were more in line with my beliefs. I have a question for you, when you experience one of those moments where you eat 3000 calories at once, is it that you don't feel satiety, or is it that you have that out of body experience where hand goes to mouth almost without your control, because I think those can be two different things? My brother...

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:28 PM

I was just watching footage of the "wet markets" in Hong Kong, fish, fish, and more fish, total food porn, if we had anywhere near that variety here in the States I think I'd be eating even more sea critters, and my old coworkers already accused me of being part seal because I used to eat salmon for lunch almost every day. You can do a lot with fish protein, I just didn't get to that next step in feeling well until I let myself "indulge" in red meat after a lifetime of avoiding it. Grainfed certainly isn't ideal, but I don't think we should let perfection get in the way of the improvement...

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:35 PM

Thank you for commenting. I think that mindset is a good one. Instead of, "On Monday, I'll eat exactly this, on Tuesday this, etc" with it all planned out a week in advance, it might work better to say that I'll have sardines 3 x a week, salmon 2 x a week, etc. I thought B vitamins were in animal meat, such as fish and in eggs...and leafy vegetables. I figure I'm pretty good on that level. And yes, I really want to avoid CAFO if I can.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 25, 2012
at 10:00 AM

ran out of space! cont: I do eat lots of fish. I can eat a can of sardines and 3 oz of salmon with eggs without a problem. My binges are definitely objective: I can consume 3000 + calories in one sitting. It is very sad and it makes me feel disgusting. I really appreciate how supportive you were in this post. I try to remind myself each time that it is not a character flaw...what with time, patience and tweaking, I can achieve optimal health.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:56 AM

Eek, you saw my original post. I had my whole meal plan outlined but then I was afraid that people "just wouldn't understand" and edited it out. I'm actually glad you saw it because you gave a very good and honest answer. I've heard so many great things about red meat, but I'm afraid of eating conventional meat raised on grain/poor living conditions, which is why I try to stick to wild caught fish like sardines and salmon. I've never heard of those products for candida, but thanks for the suggestion. Would komboucha be equally as effective?

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:53 AM

Eek, you saw my original post. I had my whole meal plan outlined but then I was afraid that people "just wouldn't understand" and edited it out. I'm actually glad you saw it because you gave a very good and honest answer. I've heard so many great things about red meat, but I'm afraid of eating conventional meat, which is why I try to stick to wild caught fish like sardines and salm My binges are subjective: I had a binge of about 3/4 package of bacon, 300 calories worth of rice, 6 eggs, a bag of vegetables all drowned in butter with chicken liver, chicken, and several cookies. It's awful.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:04 AM

That sounds like very little food to me. I'd be raiding the pantry late at night too. What do you consider a binge? I'm worried about your fruit content here. Later when your blood sugar and gut biota are in a better place add it back in and see, but for now, I see you setting yourself up for failure essentially fasting until lunch, and then just having protein powder and fruit. Those both sound like snacks, not meals.

I know you say you binge out of habit, not deficiencies, but just because you put something in your mouth doesn't mean your body is able to break down and use it in a meaningful way, malabsorption is a much bigger problem than we often realize. If you are coming off of the average American diet, it can take months or years to heal your gut lining and fully absorb your nutrients.

As you suspected I am here to tell you to eat some red meat, or at least dark meat poultry in addition to your fish. I made huge strides in my health eating CAFO meat, and switched to grassfed later as I became aware of it and found a good source. If you are going to eat just fish, make sure that you do eat enough of it, no 2 oz. servings if you are only eating that and protein shakes. If there are any Halal butcher shops near you, goat and lamb can often be sourced at a reasonable price if mail order grassfed beef is out of your budget.

The only thing that keeps me from mindlessly munching late in the day is to have a big steak or 1/2 lb. of ground beef or lamb for breakfast. No amount of bacon, eggs, and veggies even comes close to that feeling of fullness and wellness. It sets the tone of satiety for the rest of the day, if I wait too long between my coffee with coconut oil and eating real food, I get a slight uneasy feeling and start to crave fast energy like fruit, chocolate, more coffee, or even worse my nemesis: croissants. Maybe you really can binge on anything, but I dare you to eat a super restricted diet of 2-3 steaks (grassfed or not, lean plus a side of fat like butter if it is CAFO) a day, and all the kale you want for a week, and 1-2 servings of liver with onions during that time and see if you still feel like binging.

It sounds like the way small amounts of sweet stuff set you off candida could be an issue. (I know it is a tired concept at this point, and everyone blames everything on candida, but that doesn't mean it isn't important and doesn't cause problems). Maybe you've already explored this avenue, but I would try 1-3 months of heavy-duty probiotics (Theramedix DGX, PRX, and CDX stopped my cravings, they are spendy but it was worth getting my mind back, it is so much quieter without that little voice constantly asking for food).

I think we think we are more in control than we are sometimes. Desire to binge isn't a character flaw, and therefore easily overridden by self-control, there is something deep inside you that isn't being fed. Sure for some that is based in something emotional or boredom and filling that time with a hobby, love, or exercise can help, but I do believe much of it resides in having bodies that were malnourished long-term and tiny voices of bacteria that may be overpopulated and pulling your mental puppet strings seeking sugars, or our own cells begging for more of the right kind of fuel to rebuild a better body.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:56 AM

Eek, you saw my original post. I had my whole meal plan outlined but then I was afraid that people "just wouldn't understand" and edited it out. I'm actually glad you saw it because you gave a very good and honest answer. I've heard so many great things about red meat, but I'm afraid of eating conventional meat raised on grain/poor living conditions, which is why I try to stick to wild caught fish like sardines and salmon. I've never heard of those products for candida, but thanks for the suggestion. Would komboucha be equally as effective?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

For cheaper probiotics, I've had weird experiences with kombucha, some people swear by it, but it was odd for me, I've bought the kind from the store, and even brewed my own, and it always gave a little bit of a sore throat. Sauerkraut and kim chi on the other hand is where it's at for me, the salty spicy garlicky goodness of kim chi makes my belly especially happy, and has even stopped a few colds before they could take hold. Home made sauerkraut is cheap and easy too, just need some big jars, cabbage, salt, and a lot of elbow grease.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 25, 2012
at 10:00 AM

ran out of space! cont: I do eat lots of fish. I can eat a can of sardines and 3 oz of salmon with eggs without a problem. My binges are definitely objective: I can consume 3000 + calories in one sitting. It is very sad and it makes me feel disgusting. I really appreciate how supportive you were in this post. I try to remind myself each time that it is not a character flaw...what with time, patience and tweaking, I can achieve optimal health.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:28 PM

I was just watching footage of the "wet markets" in Hong Kong, fish, fish, and more fish, total food porn, if we had anywhere near that variety here in the States I think I'd be eating even more sea critters, and my old coworkers already accused me of being part seal because I used to eat salmon for lunch almost every day. You can do a lot with fish protein, I just didn't get to that next step in feeling well until I let myself "indulge" in red meat after a lifetime of avoiding it. Grainfed certainly isn't ideal, but I don't think we should let perfection get in the way of the improvement...

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:49 PM

...was born with a bottomless appetite, so I'm pretty familiar with "hollow leg" thing, even as a baby he would crawl from plate to plate around the table and finish everyone's food. We are pretty sure it stems from something being screwed up in his ghrelin production, and possibly the result of our family not having enough to eat when my mom was pregnant, and going without food herself so the other kids could eat. Did you ever go through nutrient deprivation before you were fully grown, like early dieting? With the out of body experience feeling, I think that is more based in gut bacteria.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:53 AM

Eek, you saw my original post. I had my whole meal plan outlined but then I was afraid that people "just wouldn't understand" and edited it out. I'm actually glad you saw it because you gave a very good and honest answer. I've heard so many great things about red meat, but I'm afraid of eating conventional meat, which is why I try to stick to wild caught fish like sardines and salm My binges are subjective: I had a binge of about 3/4 package of bacon, 300 calories worth of rice, 6 eggs, a bag of vegetables all drowned in butter with chicken liver, chicken, and several cookies. It's awful.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 25, 2012
at 09:38 PM

...the CAFO meat went against my moral beliefs, but I needed to be selfish for a while and put my well being ahead of a few cows so that I could get strong enough and clear headed enough to get a better paying job and be able seek out food sources that were more in line with my beliefs. I have a question for you, when you experience one of those moments where you eat 3000 calories at once, is it that you don't feel satiety, or is it that you have that out of body experience where hand goes to mouth almost without your control, because I think those can be two different things? My brother...

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76d70438d2442d21206b8e5528d23d23

on March 25, 2012
at 11:18 AM

There's nothing wrong with a limited food list, as long as you don't start "compensating" by ordering takeout. Remember all those studies on indigenous peoples who live on limited diets like fish and coconut milk (or whatever the native diet is), with only a few "extras" throughout the year? And scientists are always "shocked" that these people are healthy.

Know that with meal planning, some people do well with very detailed plans, and some do better with more flexible ones. I understand that "flexible" can sometimes be a dangerous trap in your case. Still, try to get it as strict as you need, but flexible enough that you don't feel confined. If you have limited options in the house, a meal plan that says "Salmon X nights/week, shrimp Y nights/week" might be enough.

Also, I would suggest watching those B vitamins. (I'm not sure how the native peoples in the earlier example get around that one.) Several of the B vitamins are essential for mood, and red meats and grains are two of the main sources. If you're avoiding CAFO, you might look into some supplements.

76d70438d2442d21206b8e5528d23d23

(1098)

on March 26, 2012
at 12:17 PM

YW, and I'm glad the meal planning ideas helped. B12 is only in animal products, so the greens won't help you with that. Chicken eggs don't really have that much, though they do have some. The fish have more than I realized, though; looks like the salmon and sardines will see you through on that one! http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/foods-high-in-vitamin-B12.php

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 25, 2012
at 08:35 PM

Thank you for commenting. I think that mindset is a good one. Instead of, "On Monday, I'll eat exactly this, on Tuesday this, etc" with it all planned out a week in advance, it might work better to say that I'll have sardines 3 x a week, salmon 2 x a week, etc. I thought B vitamins were in animal meat, such as fish and in eggs...and leafy vegetables. I figure I'm pretty good on that level. And yes, I really want to avoid CAFO if I can.

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