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Where does self defence fit in the paleo/primal template?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM

I have been listening, reading and immersing myself in the paleo/primal lifestyle for around 3 months now and it has been one of those 'click' moments in my life.

One of the only topics I haven't heard of much is around self defence/self preservation and whether there is any influence from Paleo principles. Now I know there won't be a 'style' per se, but surely somewhere in this ancestral model there has to be the application of all this health, strength, speed etc to improve the ability to stay alive when our lives are threatened. It isn't always just about taking down an animal for food, sometimes other tribes attack to acquire resources.

I guess my question is, shouldn't there be an element of self defence naturally included in these templates for living? My opinion is that there should be, as with most things, the modern human tends to outsource their security to society and isn't prepared in the situations when this assumption of being 'safe' is taken away.

Common activities I see in the PH community is eating, crossfitting, lifting and sprinting for health. Occasionally someone will mention they do a martial art aswell. But it sort of falls into the extra curricula activity category. Also I haven't seen any chapters in books of the benefits of being confident in your ability to defend yourself. Maybe there are benefits in lower cortisol levels of this confidence, maybe there are health benefits of techniques used in martial arts (Dr. Champ talks about deep breathing which is often used in martial arts)...

What thoughts do you all have? I just think this is something that should be discussed more. And I am not suggesting we all go Robb Wolf and learn the atl atl but that was awesome! Also if you were looking into a self defence model what would variables would you consider from a Paleo perspective?

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on October 19, 2012
at 04:26 AM

I think a good point to make is that there will be no martial art that is 'paleo per se'. As long as it uses our bodies or something that you can pull off a tree or pick up off the ground you are right. So martial arts based on limbs (karate, kung fu, mma) are all good. Martial arts based on weapons gets a little more grey. Any stick work (bo, staff, taiaha) all good. Samurai sword... no. Projectile weapons, bow and arrow, spear sure great for hunting and requires skill. Explosives (guns)...well, I'll say def not paleo on that one. Splitting out self defence from hunting is also logical

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on October 16, 2012
at 09:29 PM

The anthropologist Jared Diamond has written about how tribes are very safe internally but are very likely to kick the hell out of any strangers they might encounter on a path. I take it as a given that early humans were extremely capable in a scrap as it's a distinct evolutionary advantage being the toughest dude on the block! http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Fates-Societies/dp/0393317552

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on October 16, 2012
at 09:08 PM

AH awesome! Thank you August! This is exactly what I was trying to say. Probably not in the straight shooting term of 'violence' but I understand where he is coming from and it is great at grabbing attention. Anyway, that hit the nail on the head. I think the closing point is, if you are not undertaking some form of self defence along with your paleo journey then you are not fully self sufficient and isn't our healthy about taking responsibility into our own hands and not just relying on societies methods.

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on October 16, 2012
at 03:58 PM

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on October 16, 2012
at 02:19 PM

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on October 16, 2012
at 07:58 PM

Tucker Max at the first AHS

This one was really under the radar, because Seth Roberts brought him and gave him the time. There isn't much I like about the guy, but he makes some real points here.

Oh, and I keep feeling the urge- should at least be hitting a bag or something. I am a major introvert- just getting used to going to a gym and lifting regularly, but already it feels like I should add some sort of fight conditioning. Hitting and taking hits can actually improve bone strength. In any case, it is helpful to have the muscle memory if something bad goes down.

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on October 16, 2012
at 09:08 PM

AH awesome! Thank you August! This is exactly what I was trying to say. Probably not in the straight shooting term of 'violence' but I understand where he is coming from and it is great at grabbing attention. Anyway, that hit the nail on the head. I think the closing point is, if you are not undertaking some form of self defence along with your paleo journey then you are not fully self sufficient and isn't our healthy about taking responsibility into our own hands and not just relying on societies methods.

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on October 16, 2012
at 11:25 AM

I'd tend to agree actually, and not that I do any self defence or martial arts myself, I have looked into Krav Magra briefly. It seems to be the most easy to pick up, effective, and useful in real life modern situations where you need to defend yourself.

While its not of course paleo per se, it would seem to be to be a very good fit for those wanting to learn some self defence and put their new found muscles and fitness to the test.

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on October 19, 2012
at 04:26 AM

I think a good point to make is that there will be no martial art that is 'paleo per se'. As long as it uses our bodies or something that you can pull off a tree or pick up off the ground you are right. So martial arts based on limbs (karate, kung fu, mma) are all good. Martial arts based on weapons gets a little more grey. Any stick work (bo, staff, taiaha) all good. Samurai sword... no. Projectile weapons, bow and arrow, spear sure great for hunting and requires skill. Explosives (guns)...well, I'll say def not paleo on that one. Splitting out self defence from hunting is also logical

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on October 16, 2012
at 03:04 PM

Another perspective to consider is the ability to defend oneself from predators (animal and man) and hunt one's own food. I don't see a lot of comments concerning Paleo hunters out there and deer, venison, and wild game are rarely mentioned as compared to grass-fed beef from the farm.

Matt
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on October 16, 2012
at 11:58 AM

MovNat and Crossfit all incorporate elements of self defense fitness into their programs. I incorporate some BJJ and wrestling training into my exercise. Not that I could actually go out and fight anyone any more, but from a functional standpoint I think those movements are critical to health.

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on October 16, 2012
at 10:03 AM

Movnat includes martial arts. Hand-to-hand fighting is definately paleo.

I think probably the oldest forms of fighting would be wrestling and boxing. Probably a combination of basic kick boxing, boxing and wrestling would be most paleo.

Alot of the eastern martial arts have strong elements of all these, but they are taken to a higher technical level.

Interestingly advanced wrestling is usually what wins in MMA tournements (if they can get close enough). Then again kickboxing is the next most common winner.

I am not sure what id consider most paleo, in terms of fighting. The specialised martial arts (ones with wrestling, throws or kicks) seem to do better in practice than ones which are multi-element, so perhaps its better to stick to something pure, rather than more general? Not sure.

I personally prefer the idea of throws, blocks, trips in a martial art, in terms of finesse fighting, especially compared to regular boxing.

Tai chi is pretty up there, when used as a martial art (up there with kick boxing and wrestling), although it takes forever to master, and it does include lots of finesse (blocks, trips, super balance and form). Not sure if that kind of finesse is "paleo" though.

Of course tai chi is great for relaxation and health too. Most martial arts do some chi stuff and breathing stuff. I am sure they are good for mind and body, generally speaking.

Probably advanced wrestling (whatever that eastern one is called) would be the most paleo, and its highly highly effective, if not the most effective. But its not really my style though, plus wrestling looks kinda gay, even if it could kick my ass.

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on October 16, 2012
at 03:28 PM

I have a .357 in my desk drawer I think revolvers are much more Paleo than semi-automatics.

Grok was always ready to greet a threat with a hail of gunfire.

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on October 16, 2012
at 09:53 AM

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on October 16, 2012
at 02:19 PM

Wow, constructive use bandwidth (sarcasm).

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