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Marijuana's paleo, right?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM

I was watching some really neat videos on youtube trying to learn about paleo cultures, and I came upon some videos about a modern day hunter-gatherer tribe in Africa called the Hadza. They apparently smoke a lot of weed and other than that seem to be very healthy and peaceful people. Do you think marijuana classifies as paleo...or is it more primal? I will admit, that I personally smoke my fair share, so I am trying to rationalize a bit...but I am also interested in hearing your opinions on the matter. Please, share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw760lhCZJw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FjVsApOm44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGUHIa_phAU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE8FXs8Gd3Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA3Gt2mYHKo

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

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on January 16, 2013
at 11:23 PM

Marijuana is 'psychadelic', meaning the effects are largely dependent on the user.

532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

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on January 04, 2013
at 11:19 PM

@JeJ, they give it to cancer patients not to increase appetite, but to decrease nausea. Yes, this usually leads to a subsequent increase in appetite, but nausea relief is the primary reason for using marijuana while on chemo

7c379a865738d2b373a362dc0f1d9459

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on September 12, 2012
at 01:33 PM

I very much disagree about the munchies being a myth. When I was much younger I was one of these people who never got the munchies, then bam all of the sudden I wanted to eat everything in the house . That was the end of marijuana for me.

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on September 12, 2012
at 11:10 AM

Eh, 'contact' has already spelled 'the end of their culture as we know it.' Or I should say, it's created it as we know it. They already all have cell phones, speak Kiswahili, etc. More or less Tanzanians who happen to get their food via bow and arrow and not the grocery store. And here's a paleo meal for you: Blood drained from a goat, fat scraped from the internal organs, all coagulated in a steaming pot until black. And everyone on PH talks about how 'liver' is strange.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on September 12, 2012
at 09:51 AM

That would be opportunistic feeding pattern. You are right, term Paleo is wrong - it should be HG. Delicious free foods... If Hadza starts living off twinkies and mars bars that will be the end of their culture as we know it.

Ba99a15e6bf870b81286791617050593

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on September 12, 2012
at 07:41 AM

There are varying degrees - the tribe numbers about 1,000. Some are wage-earners and buy food, some are hunter-gatherers cum tourist performers who do both (and can live exclusively off the land), and some shun the tourist industry altogether. Most studies will mention where the group studied falls within that range. And I'd shy away from referring to them as "Paleo" at all - the term is after all just a Western appropriation of an idea of a diet. What does a Hadza care for carb count if they get some delicious free food and don't even have to work hard for it?

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on September 12, 2012
at 07:02 AM

There are a number of studies on the increased appetite inducing effect of THC in rats and mice. I'm pretty sure rodents don't have social constructs relating to pot...

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on September 12, 2012
at 06:36 AM

That's a very interesting answer. Thank you for sharing. So they are no longer real Paleo, but fake Paleo, just a tourist attraction. How sad.

0bc04a2ee661857e8458df34646e70ef

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on September 12, 2012
at 03:40 AM

+1 BoneBrothFast. I rarely get the munchies anymore, I've actually used it to control cravings and impulsive eating. It is what you make of it. I think it would be more accurate to say that it regulates appetite.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on September 12, 2012
at 01:05 AM

Nope. But it's an urban legend and the placebo effect kicks in and the people immediately want to eat. The alternate explanation is that eating is simply more entertaining and more of a "fun" experience when you're stoned, thus you are way more likely to eat.

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

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on September 12, 2012
at 12:43 AM

Someone give those guys a bong and some ice water

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on September 12, 2012
at 12:33 AM

How long did it take you to put that one together? haha I am only kidding. And yes, it does.

Cf4e7d927a48582cc22adbe59bfd0b2d

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on September 12, 2012
at 12:21 AM

Of course I feed my marijuana plant grass and let it roam the fields. It'd be ethically cruel to grow it in a closet.

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

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on September 11, 2012
at 11:55 PM

IMO it doesnt make you hungrier, it just makes food taste a lot better. Like, a lot better.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on September 11, 2012
at 11:54 PM

^So they give it to wasting cancer patients because? I thought that the only reason was that it increased appetite...

1e58ba5c171a122541d8b4873f604327

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on September 11, 2012
at 11:44 PM

it does actually make me hungrier, I don't know who this "you" person is

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on September 11, 2012
at 11:14 PM

Bullshit, BoneBroth.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

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on September 11, 2012
at 11:10 PM

There is no doubt that people have been using mind altering substances...well, since fruit fermented. However, there is also no doubt that on the balance, mind altering substances all carry some risk.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on September 11, 2012
at 11:09 PM

Munchies are a myth and a social construct. Marijuana doesn't actually make you hungrier or anything.

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on September 11, 2012
at 11:05 PM

I'd also like to check this out

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on September 11, 2012
at 10:56 PM

@ LikeslardinMayo- LOL. I was thinkign the same thing. But low and behold...

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on September 11, 2012
at 10:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hadza+marijuana&oq=hadza+marijuana&gs_l=youtube.3...225.2493.0.2671.8.8.0.0.0.0.108.671.5j3.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.R4KKJF1pQsw

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on September 11, 2012
at 10:53 PM

LINK? Because I've never heard that?

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877ded1787562057ee2e1a4548b6050a

on September 11, 2012
at 10:58 PM

As long as it's grassfed, free-range cannabis, then yes, it's Paleo.

Cf4e7d927a48582cc22adbe59bfd0b2d

(753)

on September 12, 2012
at 12:21 AM

Of course I feed my marijuana plant grass and let it roam the fields. It'd be ethically cruel to grow it in a closet.

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F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on September 11, 2012
at 11:04 PM

As long as when the munchies hit, you don't hit the Doritos.

0bc04a2ee661857e8458df34646e70ef

(319)

on September 12, 2012
at 03:40 AM

+1 BoneBrothFast. I rarely get the munchies anymore, I've actually used it to control cravings and impulsive eating. It is what you make of it. I think it would be more accurate to say that it regulates appetite.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on September 11, 2012
at 11:54 PM

^So they give it to wasting cancer patients because? I thought that the only reason was that it increased appetite...

1e58ba5c171a122541d8b4873f604327

(229)

on September 11, 2012
at 11:44 PM

it does actually make me hungrier, I don't know who this "you" person is

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

(1085)

on September 11, 2012
at 11:55 PM

IMO it doesnt make you hungrier, it just makes food taste a lot better. Like, a lot better.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on September 12, 2012
at 01:05 AM

Nope. But it's an urban legend and the placebo effect kicks in and the people immediately want to eat. The alternate explanation is that eating is simply more entertaining and more of a "fun" experience when you're stoned, thus you are way more likely to eat.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 11, 2012
at 11:14 PM

Bullshit, BoneBroth.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on September 11, 2012
at 11:09 PM

Munchies are a myth and a social construct. Marijuana doesn't actually make you hungrier or anything.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on September 12, 2012
at 07:02 AM

There are a number of studies on the increased appetite inducing effect of THC in rats and mice. I'm pretty sure rodents don't have social constructs relating to pot...

7c379a865738d2b373a362dc0f1d9459

(357)

on September 12, 2012
at 01:33 PM

I very much disagree about the munchies being a myth. When I was much younger I was one of these people who never got the munchies, then bam all of the sudden I wanted to eat everything in the house . That was the end of marijuana for me.

532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

(1981)

on January 04, 2013
at 11:19 PM

@JeJ, they give it to cancer patients not to increase appetite, but to decrease nausea. Yes, this usually leads to a subsequent increase in appetite, but nausea relief is the primary reason for using marijuana while on chemo

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 16, 2013
at 11:23 PM

Marijuana is 'psychadelic', meaning the effects are largely dependent on the user.

6
B3de48c5f099ec6d7c3435a16efaaaa5

(138)

on September 11, 2012
at 11:03 PM

As long as you eat it and it's organic.

3
81348acb7b886e2b32ca915d250268f3

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on September 11, 2012
at 11:13 PM

I smoke it too once or twice a week, it actually helps with my hypertension, but even if I didn't have hypertension I'd still smoke it cos I like it.

Not sure if Yvette was taking the piss with her comment, but I'd consider it 'paleo' if it was organic and outdoor grown, not one of these hydroponic super strains with 50x the amount of THC or something.

I think there's been enough research to show that weed isn't too bad provided that the smoker is over 18 and is not still developing their adolescent brain, they dont suffer from any mental health disorders and don't have a dependance on it.

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on September 12, 2012
at 07:10 AM

Growing cannabis and puppy seeds are probably a practice that have roots prior to growing grass seeds (wheat etc). Were most likely used as medicine and weren't smoked until somewhat late in the Neolithic period.

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Ba99a15e6bf870b81286791617050593

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on September 12, 2012
at 05:00 AM

I studied the Hadza for my senior thesis and lived with them for a brief week in 2009. The Hadza get theirs by trading wild honey with local pastoralist and agricultural tribes. I haven't been able to find any information on exactly when it was introduced, but you can guess that it's recent. Certainly it's not indigenous to the Yaeda Valley in which they live. If you're using the 'Did ancestral man eat it?" metric to gauge it's Paleo-ness, then that would indicate no. While the Hadza diet is trumpeted as a clue tothe diet of traditional hunter-gatherers, its prominence is more by the happenstance of it being one of the few still eaten by remaining 'hunter-gatherers' - without regard to the thousands of other diets that have been lost to westernization. Does marijuana fit into that? Its as recent a development as the nails that they hammer into arrowheads.

Further reading on their actual diet is pretty interesting: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=frank+marlowe+hadza&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=_xRQUJGtFIXT0QWRi4CABA&ved=0CBwQgQMwAA

Now off topic:

A large amount of calories come from honey or baobab fruit, and, perhaps more frequently now, tourists like myself coming into the area. It's a pretty brilliant new hunting and gathering strategy - you don't have to actual hit the dik-dik or find the !ekwa root - you just need to perform the action and voila - tourists will give you food! Non-primal food obtained by primal methods. Is that paleo?

Ba99a15e6bf870b81286791617050593

(671)

on September 12, 2012
at 07:41 AM

There are varying degrees - the tribe numbers about 1,000. Some are wage-earners and buy food, some are hunter-gatherers cum tourist performers who do both (and can live exclusively off the land), and some shun the tourist industry altogether. Most studies will mention where the group studied falls within that range. And I'd shy away from referring to them as "Paleo" at all - the term is after all just a Western appropriation of an idea of a diet. What does a Hadza care for carb count if they get some delicious free food and don't even have to work hard for it?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on September 12, 2012
at 09:51 AM

That would be opportunistic feeding pattern. You are right, term Paleo is wrong - it should be HG. Delicious free foods... If Hadza starts living off twinkies and mars bars that will be the end of their culture as we know it.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on September 12, 2012
at 06:36 AM

That's a very interesting answer. Thank you for sharing. So they are no longer real Paleo, but fake Paleo, just a tourist attraction. How sad.

Ba99a15e6bf870b81286791617050593

(671)

on September 12, 2012
at 11:10 AM

Eh, 'contact' has already spelled 'the end of their culture as we know it.' Or I should say, it's created it as we know it. They already all have cell phones, speak Kiswahili, etc. More or less Tanzanians who happen to get their food via bow and arrow and not the grocery store. And here's a paleo meal for you: Blood drained from a goat, fat scraped from the internal organs, all coagulated in a steaming pot until black. And everyone on PH talks about how 'liver' is strange.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 12, 2012
at 12:08 AM

If it assuages the lurking suspicion dwelling in the recesses of your mind.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on September 12, 2012
at 12:33 AM

How long did it take you to put that one together? haha I am only kidding. And yes, it does.

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 12, 2012
at 01:49 AM

If it helps, Jesus probably did it :P But then he was rubbing kilos of it into peoples skin, probably to give them major paranoia (cast out demons etc, lol). I guess they ran out of moses' magic mushrooms, and werent clever enough to get them to grow.

Speaking of paranoia. I watched "ted" last night. They were smoking "mindf**k". One of the other strains they were offered was called "They're coming...." which made me lol. Funny movie.

Is pot paleo? Well its prepaleo. The marijuana plant long predates humanity (thats why it thrives in a more co2 rich atmosphere). Of course mankind will do anything to get a decent buzz on if we have the inclination, we are pretty animal like that, but then again our origin is probably africa, and unlikely many modern strains come from there.

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on September 11, 2012
at 11:54 PM

well i'd say it's paleo enough. it has been smoked for thousands of years, and has been shown through written history and scientific studies to be one of the safest drugs you can possibly put in your body.

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