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best/worst recreational drugs?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 27, 2011 at 4:41 AM

KGH says that getting off the carbs is like getting off the cocaine... and I agree, any frequent use of drugs can be detrimental, like frequent high intake of carbs, although not for the same reasons !

I generally despise alcohol but I still enjoy the occasional altered state. Between business and family, it's not practical very often, but ...

Caffeine - Almost every day, sometimes several cups of coffee per day, always with heavy cream. No decaf. The best, unless I push it and suffer stomach pain as a result. French press.

Marijuana - nice in small amounts, but like alcohol, tends to lower my inhibition, screws with my diet at times (rather, my food judgment), and too much is, well, too much. I have to be highly organized during the day, and I like to pursue intellectual trades at night, so pot is rare for me. Frequent marijuana is addictive and counterproductive, mind numbing, where the only "relief" you find is when you get high...but occasional use can be quite a relief from stress without so much addictive mania.

Ketamine/Methoxetamine - Premier dissociatives...The latter, not yet scheduled, is available from internet merchants these days, although not likely to be after a few years. These are nice (if you can take it) but tend to be addictive if you don't plan ahead.

2C-T-2/2C-T-21/2C-E/2C-D/2C-I - Wonderful psychedelics, these have been available online for a decade, I tend to try a low to medium dose (see PiHKAL) twice a year, a nice 'recharge', I wouldn't use it very often as phenethylamines are rather strong.

Psilocybe mushrooms/4-ACO-DMT - Former illegal, the latter damn close to it, various tryptamines are available online, not as hard on the body as the 2C phenethylamines, like a light beer compared to phenethylamine stout...

MDA/MDMA/5-APB/6-APB/5-Methyl-MDA - The former are illegal, the latter are damn close to it, but available online, and they sure as hell beat a night of drinking, although they can be taxing the next day, much like moderate drinking, but the mental effects for most people are much better than alcohol ever dreamed of being. Not something you want to take often, but certainly beneficial.

What does this have to do with Paleo?

It seems that, in Paleo, we're searching for ways to better our minds and bodies.. Some of us just want to be healthy, lose weight, perform better, live longer, you name it. Intoxicants are certainly not a way to better yourself as a general rule, especially not for people with significant self-control problems. Anyone following a Paleo diet obviously has some level of self-control. For these people, I find some psychedelic and dissociative experiences can be profoundly helpful, a sort of like a cosmic cheat to learn things that you might not otherwise pick up in your life. Or to have profound experiences that only come to monks who meditate for 20 years. A lot is written on the profound positive effects of psychedelics and MDMA, and in fact the FDA has recently approved MDMA and Psilocin research utilizing treatment protocols designed to turn these into prescription medications. MDMA in particular is interesting to the army for PTSD. The level of PTSD is so high in returning soldiers that they are resorting to Ecstasy in the realm of psychiatric treatment.

So if alcohol isn't preferred by you, what is, and why?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

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on January 16, 2013
at 11:31 PM

I love working out blazed. Of course, I love doing everything else the same way...

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 16, 2013
at 11:29 PM

I very literally and very seriously cured a harmful alcohol problem with salvia. It wasn't intentional, and I'm not suggesting it's a consistent result. Matter of fact, I know it isn't. However... it is my experience.

4c6c608f2ff5fcaa7bf5c2d5862a2689

on June 02, 2012
at 09:53 PM

In his book "Marriage of Sun and Moon", Dr. Andrew Weil speaks of a South American tribe which uses a drug called Patu daily (and regularly at that). It is available to everyone at all times and he found no evidence of abuse or addiction. I do agree that drugs are not to be used half-hazardly by everyone, but at the same time, there aren't any shamen in my neighborhood and so I am left to my own devices to explore the world of conciousness

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

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on July 18, 2011
at 12:47 PM

This! Getting in touch with your spirituality is good for your health.. Whether the gain counteracts any side effects well that's up to the responsible user I suppose.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on July 18, 2011
at 09:03 AM

Well LSD is ergot derived and WIkipedia classifies it as "a semisynthetic psychedelic drug"-

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on July 18, 2011
at 09:00 AM

Psychadelics aren't exactly "reward" drugs so I think we're looking on this a bit too general.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on July 18, 2011
at 08:59 AM

"Study neurochemistry for 30 yrs and come back to me". LOL. What a great argument ! Reminds me of "Study medicine and practice being a doctor for 30 yes and come back to me" which is sometimes mentioned when Paleos try to engage a doctor in a discussion. That being said, a link how different PAS (psychoactive substances) effect neurobiology in long term would be great !

724f0f45eb53919b8c617c3c1ec5fbc5

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on July 18, 2011
at 06:42 AM

Back in my regular pot-smoking days, I had a girlfriend who loved to smoke a bowl before working out. I never did, but that's because I never worked out!

C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

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on July 18, 2011
at 04:09 AM

Sugar does it for me.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 18, 2011
at 02:07 AM

And not even all that great. If I'm going to have a destructive vice it should at least make all women beautiful or all movies good.

36b7a2776d028dc8d5743e2e56ece34d

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on July 17, 2011
at 11:45 PM

Weed is a vasodilator so strenuous activity is more intense on your heart. Probably a good idea to save it for after the exercise.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on July 17, 2011
at 11:44 PM

Still a valid question...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 11, 2011
at 06:40 PM

The brain is still not well understood by science. I don't care how many years you study neuroscience you'll never understand what a psychedelic drug is until you ingest it . You're a doctor, of course you're going to be anti drug because you were taught to be that way in school. You were even taught to call psychedelics drugs, using that demon word. I tend to view them as something else. Unlike drugs that doctors prescribed like antibiotics, statins and other crap, psychedelics don't destroy the body and brain.

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on February 28, 2011
at 03:02 AM

I do not think this is a valid question, nor that it has anything to do with paleo! to start with, any synthetic drug like LSD or methyl is anti-paleo by definition!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on February 28, 2011
at 01:13 AM

This is what the CART enzyme system does. I would suggest you get a neurobiologic book or do your own due diligence on the net about the CART enzyme systems effects. They are real and far reaching

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 28, 2011
at 01:13 AM

Summarize 30 yrs of what we know about CART? Ok, The CART system serves multiple functions in the paraventricular nucleus (PVN) and is utilized to transmit diverse physiological signals that contribute to the complex regulation of homeostatic functions of the PVN. Drugs like cocaine narcotics and apomorphine food proteins among them. They are involved in smoking and nicotine addiction and they are intimately involved in carbohydrate metabolism and cravings due to the effect of NPY on the PVN. .

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

(76)

on February 27, 2011
at 08:28 PM

Dr K. please summarize your feelings about the Cocaine and Amphetamine Regulated Transcript peptide and how it relates to exogenous substances that someone might choose to ingest?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 27, 2011
at 08:17 PM

how neurotransmitters change with one use was not known until the last few yrs. The change happens on a second basis. So even being exposed second hand to it is bad. And the data on cross placental transmission are shear terrifying. The best advice medically now is to stay away from all of them.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 27, 2011
at 08:15 PM

one use changes our neurobiology.....sorry boys this is whatI do and I can not let info like this on the net exist without balance. Study neurochemistry for 30 yrs and come back to me. I am anti drug and and ETOH for optimal health. Drugs have a role in treatment of chronic disease states......Paleo here is not about that. I think talking drugs and paleo is akin to saying I can have my cake and it too.

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

(76)

on February 27, 2011
at 08:06 PM

nobody is advocating drugs for paleo in particular. i'm asking, in lieu of alcohol which is disgusting to me, what other drugs do people who follow a paleo diet tend to use? i suggested basic categories of phenethylamine psychedelics, tryptamine psychedelics, phenethylamine entactogens, and dissociatives, because those are what i like. moderation, self-control and abuse issues aside (most of us are not teenagers) i'm curious about the medical cross-section between paleo and psychedelic drugs. or any other issues that people have noticed.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 27, 2011
at 07:48 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/lsd-cured-my-headache-953406.html - Good article

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 27, 2011
at 07:47 PM

Where did he ever advocate using a drug?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 27, 2011
at 07:44 PM

I agree not everything that is natural is automatically good. People should do their research on things like this though because there's a lot of misunderstanding and taboo about it.

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

(76)

on February 27, 2011
at 07:15 PM

harmful as in using psychedelics is harmful or using it on a frequent basis or what say you? http://www.csp.org/psilocybin/Hopkins-CSP-Psilocybin2008.pdf

F6019c693fc981657b1efa602298bc2d

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on February 27, 2011
at 07:11 PM

i guess i should clarify... i have only done them in a spiritual context. i did not take them to go party and have "fun."

F6019c693fc981657b1efa602298bc2d

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on February 27, 2011
at 07:10 PM

not harmful to me and most likely the people who have done them. i wouldnt recommend anyone do them everyday, but once a year isnt going to kill anyone.

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on February 27, 2011
at 06:30 PM

even so they had ceremonial, shamanic, not recreational usage!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on February 27, 2011
at 06:19 PM

Sorry this is harmful info

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 27, 2011
at 06:19 PM

of course it fades because the reward center for carbs and drugs are shared in the brain. They both are effected by the CART enzyme system. anyone who adovcates drug for paleo is off his/her rocker. Google CART enzyme system and get educated.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 27, 2011
at 06:17 PM

so that makes it OK.......wow what a hurdle. We must advocate what works for our biochemisty. To me that is what paleo really is. Not the time frame it was eaten.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 27, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Psilocybin and Amanita Mushrooms were certainly used during paleo era.

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

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on February 27, 2011
at 09:26 AM

a premium decision, eh? solid gold?

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

(76)

on February 27, 2011
at 07:03 AM

fascinating....for how long have you noticed this effect?

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

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on February 27, 2011
at 05:36 AM

well, by calling psychedelics 'recreational' i don't mean to discount the profound effect

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

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on February 27, 2011
at 05:17 AM

I'm not so much trying to assign a drug as "paleo" or not. I'm inquiring about how it affects your life, and perhaps your diet!

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F6019c693fc981657b1efa602298bc2d

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on February 27, 2011
at 01:47 PM

i've found that mushrooms and salvia can definitely help some people who use them responsibly. helps to see another perspective sometimes...

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

(76)

on February 27, 2011
at 07:15 PM

harmful as in using psychedelics is harmful or using it on a frequent basis or what say you? http://www.csp.org/psilocybin/Hopkins-CSP-Psilocybin2008.pdf

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 27, 2011
at 06:19 PM

Sorry this is harmful info

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 27, 2011
at 08:15 PM

one use changes our neurobiology.....sorry boys this is whatI do and I can not let info like this on the net exist without balance. Study neurochemistry for 30 yrs and come back to me. I am anti drug and and ETOH for optimal health. Drugs have a role in treatment of chronic disease states......Paleo here is not about that. I think talking drugs and paleo is akin to saying I can have my cake and it too.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 27, 2011
at 08:17 PM

how neurotransmitters change with one use was not known until the last few yrs. The change happens on a second basis. So even being exposed second hand to it is bad. And the data on cross placental transmission are shear terrifying. The best advice medically now is to stay away from all of them.

F6019c693fc981657b1efa602298bc2d

(429)

on February 27, 2011
at 07:11 PM

i guess i should clarify... i have only done them in a spiritual context. i did not take them to go party and have "fun."

F6019c693fc981657b1efa602298bc2d

(429)

on February 27, 2011
at 07:10 PM

not harmful to me and most likely the people who have done them. i wouldnt recommend anyone do them everyday, but once a year isnt going to kill anyone.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 07:48 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/lsd-cured-my-headache-953406.html - Good article

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 11, 2011
at 06:40 PM

The brain is still not well understood by science. I don't care how many years you study neuroscience you'll never understand what a psychedelic drug is until you ingest it . You're a doctor, of course you're going to be anti drug because you were taught to be that way in school. You were even taught to call psychedelics drugs, using that demon word. I tend to view them as something else. Unlike drugs that doctors prescribed like antibiotics, statins and other crap, psychedelics don't destroy the body and brain.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on July 18, 2011
at 08:59 AM

"Study neurochemistry for 30 yrs and come back to me". LOL. What a great argument ! Reminds me of "Study medicine and practice being a doctor for 30 yes and come back to me" which is sometimes mentioned when Paleos try to engage a doctor in a discussion. That being said, a link how different PAS (psychoactive substances) effect neurobiology in long term would be great !

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 16, 2013
at 11:29 PM

I very literally and very seriously cured a harmful alcohol problem with salvia. It wasn't intentional, and I'm not suggesting it's a consistent result. Matter of fact, I know it isn't. However... it is my experience.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 17, 2011
at 11:08 PM

Just from my personal experience, weed was fairly benign. I was probably a little more slow-witted than I would have been but smoking weed every day for a year didn't produce any health problems. Ecstasy too frequently definitely took its toll and I game down with bipolar disorder. Add LSD to the mix and it got even worse. Mushrooms always seemed fairly benign but I didn't do them too frequently. The cocaine and ketamine I had definitely had the potential to make me feel bad so I didn't do too much of that. Those are all of the drugs I have done. Frequency + dose toxicity - resilience = adverse reaction. I wonder what would happen if I did drugs on a very good paleo diet where my brain was well-supported. Best not to find out.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 27, 2011
at 05:17 AM

*edited by author

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

(76)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:36 AM

well, by calling psychedelics 'recreational' i don't mean to discount the profound effect

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65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on February 27, 2011
at 05:12 AM

i'd say weed and shrooms are paleo. along with cactus plants/ natural stuff.

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

(76)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:17 AM

I'm not so much trying to assign a drug as "paleo" or not. I'm inquiring about how it affects your life, and perhaps your diet!

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C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

(2437)

on February 27, 2011
at 06:57 AM

I used to love smoking pot. Since going paleo, the desire to do it has completely left me. I couldn't be more surprised.

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

(76)

on February 27, 2011
at 07:03 AM

fascinating....for how long have you noticed this effect?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 07:47 PM

Where did he ever advocate using a drug?

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

(76)

on February 27, 2011
at 08:28 PM

Dr K. please summarize your feelings about the Cocaine and Amphetamine Regulated Transcript peptide and how it relates to exogenous substances that someone might choose to ingest?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 28, 2011
at 01:13 AM

This is what the CART enzyme system does. I would suggest you get a neurobiologic book or do your own due diligence on the net about the CART enzyme systems effects. They are real and far reaching

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 27, 2011
at 06:19 PM

of course it fades because the reward center for carbs and drugs are shared in the brain. They both are effected by the CART enzyme system. anyone who adovcates drug for paleo is off his/her rocker. Google CART enzyme system and get educated.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 28, 2011
at 01:13 AM

Summarize 30 yrs of what we know about CART? Ok, The CART system serves multiple functions in the paraventricular nucleus (PVN) and is utilized to transmit diverse physiological signals that contribute to the complex regulation of homeostatic functions of the PVN. Drugs like cocaine narcotics and apomorphine food proteins among them. They are involved in smoking and nicotine addiction and they are intimately involved in carbohydrate metabolism and cravings due to the effect of NPY on the PVN. .

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

(76)

on February 27, 2011
at 08:06 PM

nobody is advocating drugs for paleo in particular. i'm asking, in lieu of alcohol which is disgusting to me, what other drugs do people who follow a paleo diet tend to use? i suggested basic categories of phenethylamine psychedelics, tryptamine psychedelics, phenethylamine entactogens, and dissociatives, because those are what i like. moderation, self-control and abuse issues aside (most of us are not teenagers) i'm curious about the medical cross-section between paleo and psychedelic drugs. or any other issues that people have noticed.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on July 18, 2011
at 09:00 AM

Psychadelics aren't exactly "reward" drugs so I think we're looking on this a bit too general.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 18, 2011
at 12:22 AM

Sugar is the number one addictive substance in America. Its not close. 210 lbs a yr say it all.

C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

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on July 18, 2011
at 04:09 AM

Sugar does it for me.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 18, 2011
at 02:07 AM

And not even all that great. If I'm going to have a destructive vice it should at least make all women beautiful or all movies good.

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on July 17, 2011
at 10:45 PM

Yea I absolutely love smoking a tiny bit of herb before a workout or a run (if anyone else does this please inform me because most of my friends find it insane) as well as sometimes in the evening. We're not talking ripped out of our minds here, but just small amount. I've noticed no problems in choosing the right food. I buy well, so I eat well... and I'm captain of my college's chess team so I haven't noticed any mental side effects. still get A's and B's and receive praise at my job. Most people I meet comment on my good health. Moral is, if we do certain things that make us happy but don't necessarily hurt us, then by my definition... we're living quite well. Paleo is about eliminating the bad things in our life, not sacrificing our enjoyment of life.

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on July 17, 2011
at 11:45 PM

Weed is a vasodilator so strenuous activity is more intense on your heart. Probably a good idea to save it for after the exercise.

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on July 18, 2011
at 06:42 AM

Back in my regular pot-smoking days, I had a girlfriend who loved to smoke a bowl before working out. I never did, but that's because I never worked out!

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 16, 2013
at 11:31 PM

I love working out blazed. Of course, I love doing everything else the same way...

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Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

on February 27, 2011
at 04:48 PM

Mushrooms, pot, hashish, coke leaves, all of them belonged for thousands of years in the shamanic ceremonies of different ancient people, most of them hunter gatherers, many neolithic too. BUT the consumption of any of those substances was LIMITED and RITUAL, not open to anybody at any time, and those were humans not geared into addictive conducts. Moreover you had to be chosen and trained to become a shaman, a "medicine man" who would knew when, how, where, and why to use those substances to connect to certain mental or spiritual phenomena. So unless you are a Shamanic trained person with a definite reason to use any of them, I would NOT advise its use under any other circumstnce! you risk too much in terms of physical and mental health !

4c6c608f2ff5fcaa7bf5c2d5862a2689

on June 02, 2012
at 09:53 PM

In his book "Marriage of Sun and Moon", Dr. Andrew Weil speaks of a South American tribe which uses a drug called Patu daily (and regularly at that). It is available to everyone at all times and he found no evidence of abuse or addiction. I do agree that drugs are not to be used half-hazardly by everyone, but at the same time, there aren't any shamen in my neighborhood and so I am left to my own devices to explore the world of conciousness

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Fe198e0c02edd407cdf8c83c0fceaea1

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on July 18, 2011
at 05:53 AM

It's amazing how easy it is to acquire illicit substances. That's the biggest joke about the war on drugs. Of course it's not Paleo because all of this stuff is being produced in the modern world and our experience is a modern one. I find psilocybin fascinating though, and of course the herb has its place for some... What's interesting in a Paleo context, to my mind, are the effects that relate to cognition, language structures, etc that lead us to questions about what our world is, that lead us to a wholly different experience of our world. We live in a modern or postmodern world but that is not the world, that is just how we have made it seem in our societies but there is a vastness, an immense mystery, and that is AWEsome to encounter that. I wouldn't advocate anyone to do or not do anything potentially dangerous, but from the experiences I have had I damned if I wouldn't leap at the opportunity to ingest a pile of psilocybin containing mushrooms. It's natural but that don't mean shit, the incredible thing is the "messages" you encounter, from a mushroom? from a thing that grows on shit? If you've never experienced it, well, you just have no experience of it. Honestly it's things like eating paleo and having things like fungi that keep me from going absolutely insane in American society. Paleo to keep me on top physically and psychedelics to rejuvenate my spirit and keep my mind way farther out than the polluted mainstream conventional knowledge.

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

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on July 18, 2011
at 12:47 PM

This! Getting in touch with your spirituality is good for your health.. Whether the gain counteracts any side effects well that's up to the responsible user I suppose.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 27, 2011
at 10:59 AM

Regardless of what realizations "you" come to, Truth is devoid of fragmentation, duality, and belief. All IS One. We are not Human Becomings, we ARE Human BEINGS. Just BE!

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on February 27, 2011
at 08:32 AM

I look at smokin pot before A big Paleo meal as a premium decision. Eating more=more calories =more SEALfit muscle.

1a26f51c679bf1a0205b735c0885d7d3

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on February 27, 2011
at 09:26 AM

a premium decision, eh? solid gold?

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on February 27, 2011
at 03:12 PM

no drugs natural or not are paleo.......its ridiculous to say otherwise. Tobacco is natural too........think that is good for you? This is where Paleo folks have lost their minds. Just because something is natural does not mean it is good. For example hemp products are natural but I would never eat any due to the PUFA content. They are loaded with omega 6's. Always remember context.

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on February 27, 2011
at 06:30 PM

even so they had ceremonial, shamanic, not recreational usage!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 27, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Psilocybin and Amanita Mushrooms were certainly used during paleo era.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 27, 2011
at 06:17 PM

so that makes it OK.......wow what a hurdle. We must advocate what works for our biochemisty. To me that is what paleo really is. Not the time frame it was eaten.

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on February 27, 2011
at 07:44 PM

I agree not everything that is natural is automatically good. People should do their research on things like this though because there's a lot of misunderstanding and taboo about it.

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