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Why does everyone want Paleo in the Main-Stream?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM

I might get blasted for this but I don't see why everyone who has adapted this lifestyle wants it to be so popular. Sure, I see the benefits and I have told my close friends and family who I truly think could benefit from this lifestyle. Also, if people ask how I lost so much weight or what I have done differently, I throw the "Paleo" or "Ancestral" terms out there along with some facts about toxins in foods and exercise. I also understand that the more Ancestral Health is discussed, the more it will be researched and proven. Regardless, if people want to get healthier, they will find a primal diet. I know I did.

I remember, when I was in High School, a teacher of mine lost about 15 pounds. She was very overweight but you could tell she had slimmed down. When asked how she was losing it, she would explain the Atkins Diet. Couldn't explain the theory behind it nor did she follow very closely but she was "on the Atkins diet". Her half-assed attempt at fitness kept her preaching Atkins but she never lost another pound. Sort of discredited the whole diet in my mind. The more main-stream Paleo becomes, the more half-assed, overweight preachers we will have, the crazier we will all look. Just a thought.

Also, my main beef with this popularity push is the cost of Paleo grocery options. A few months back, I went to Trader Joe's for some odds and ends and the Almond butter was $3 more expensive than normal. When I got home I did a little research on Almond Butter and found that Dr. Oz had mentioned the benefits just days before. I can't afford for this to happen with grass-fed beef, Organic veggies, or Nitrate/Nitrite-free bacon. They are already expensive enough.

Why? Why this push for popularity? The Olive Garden is never going to have a Paleo-Friendly Section in their menu.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on July 26, 2012
at 11:41 AM

/thread for this one. Human beings are part of a society; one that is pretty much falling apart because of selfishness. Being self-centered may have been useful when it was your tribe vs a tiger, but we're smarter than that now and our tribe is the planet. All it does now is hold us back. If I have to pay $3 more for the luxury of almond butter to make the world a better place that is fine by me. Cheap almond butter doesn't taste good when it goes down with the knowledge that I am a shitty human being.

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

(1031)

on July 25, 2012
at 03:53 AM

I like going against the grain! Mainstream will screw everything up as there are too many vested interests in making a profit at the expense of our health.

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on July 25, 2012
at 03:00 AM

Important point on economies of scale!

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on July 24, 2012
at 11:16 PM

I've always thought that no one owned Grok. But maybe someone does. If they do he'll sold and will be hawking branded merchandise. To slightly paraphrase a line from Strange Brew "We no longer have Dr. Atkins but we're still enjoying his low carb cookies."

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 24, 2012
at 09:50 PM

@ Amy B....so true. Crazy how they can market an inferior product as if it is better.

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(287)

on July 24, 2012
at 09:32 PM

It seems like everyone I know who somewhat believes in clean eating is always sharing news articles or mentioning Paleo celebrities. There are a now million Paleo bloggers trying to share their stories and recipes. It's as if anyone who doesn't eat grains, dairy, or legumes has to convince the world to do the same. I've even seen major news articles about Primal Lifestyles shared followed by a "We made it".

E6c14efded576a0bea38a2fe2beced6a

(689)

on July 24, 2012
at 09:00 PM

Who is this "everyone" you speak of?

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:38 PM

"Real food" is definitely gaining popularity. The farmer's markets I go to are more & more crowded every week. (This is a good thing, of course, for tons of reasons. The crowds just make me jumpy sometimes.) Vegan, vegetarian, omnivores - one thing we tend to agree on is buying fresh stuff from the local guys.

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(287)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:36 PM

I can't wait until the shelves are full of Paleo branded confusion. The thought of Paleo Oreos just made me dizzy.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:35 PM

LOWER TAXES when we're all not subsidizing billions of $$ worth of meds for conditions that could largely be remedied by DIET.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:34 PM

@Raise: Yeah, I went to Ruth's Chris for the first time a few months ago. Don't get me wrong, the steak was DELICIOUS, but I had to chuckle that the menu specified it was Midwest corn-fed, like that was a good thing. ;-)

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:27 PM

@RF True, but IMO people should get the full chance to know what the benefits of real paleo are. Brand dilution happens, but I still think it's important that people really know what they are choosing. If they make an informed choice to eat paleobread, that's their choice and total right. But I don't think people should be told that paleobread is as good for their health as eating a sweet potato.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 24, 2012
at 08:19 PM

Even brand dilution is better than the alternative. Paleobread, for example, has to be better than healthy whole wheat.

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(287)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:18 PM

Agreed! An avacado subsidy program would be nice. With raising obesity rates and the growing expense of health care, something will surely be done about the grain business on a national scale.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 24, 2012
at 08:17 PM

Funny, but 40 yrs ago, all beef was grass-fed. Now they advertise "corn fed" as if it is a good thing. Sad. I also wonder if cows would be grain finished if grains weren't subsidized so heavily.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:17 PM

If enough people wanted it, the Olive Garden would have a Paleo-Friendly Section. Restaurants are a service and will provide what the customers are willing to pay for.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:16 PM

+1 on the economics of scale. Imagine going to Mcdonald's and having the option of ordering grassfed beef in a spinach wrap with sweet potatoes and some fruit. If enough people want it, the market would provide it.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 24, 2012
at 08:16 PM

Good reference for less reliance on Big Pharma. Besides if we are right in that paleo will improve health, it will also reduce overall healthcare costs to everyone!

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:12 PM

+1 "we need to collectively push for the end of grain subsidizing"

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C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 24, 2012
at 08:09 PM

Economies of scale should bring down the price of certain paleo items if they become more popular. For instance, Grass-fed beef should not cost as much as it does, since many cows are grass-fed to maturity before they are switched to grain fed to be finished. Sure the grains at the end fatten them up, but not enough to differentiate the cost. What we need to collectively push for is the end of grain subsidizing. That is what brings the cost of cheap unhealthy foods down and makes farmers growing healthy crops raise their prices. It is much more benefitial for farmers to grow corn or soy and get a government check than to grow spinich, or turnips, or some other vegetable.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:16 PM

+1 on the economics of scale. Imagine going to Mcdonald's and having the option of ordering grassfed beef in a spinach wrap with sweet potatoes and some fruit. If enough people want it, the market would provide it.

Medium avatar

(287)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:18 PM

Agreed! An avacado subsidy program would be nice. With raising obesity rates and the growing expense of health care, something will surely be done about the grain business on a national scale.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 24, 2012
at 08:17 PM

Funny, but 40 yrs ago, all beef was grass-fed. Now they advertise "corn fed" as if it is a good thing. Sad. I also wonder if cows would be grain finished if grains weren't subsidized so heavily.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:34 PM

@Raise: Yeah, I went to Ruth's Chris for the first time a few months ago. Don't get me wrong, the steak was DELICIOUS, but I had to chuckle that the menu specified it was Midwest corn-fed, like that was a good thing. ;-)

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:12 PM

+1 "we need to collectively push for the end of grain subsidizing"

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on July 25, 2012
at 03:00 AM

Important point on economies of scale!

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 24, 2012
at 09:50 PM

@ Amy B....so true. Crazy how they can market an inferior product as if it is better.

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7b7ebe08c25d5a911f9c15c5e50092b9

(337)

on July 24, 2012
at 09:46 PM

For the greater good of the human race.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on July 26, 2012
at 11:41 AM

/thread for this one. Human beings are part of a society; one that is pretty much falling apart because of selfishness. Being self-centered may have been useful when it was your tribe vs a tiger, but we're smarter than that now and our tribe is the planet. All it does now is hold us back. If I have to pay $3 more for the luxury of almond butter to make the world a better place that is fine by me. Cheap almond butter doesn't taste good when it goes down with the knowledge that I am a shitty human being.

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C116f7e54620c6003b67cd4450a298cd

on July 24, 2012
at 08:29 PM

This "popularity" is finally coming full circle. Our great grandparents didn't call it Paleo...they called it FOOD. Even the term "real food" is becoming popular.

The reality is the internet, social networks, and our appetite for information has brought us right back to the beginning. I think for the first time in a LONG time, we're wising up to what we're shoveling down our pie holes and realizing it ain't all good for us. And oh, we're addicted to the shit we've been eating.

Paleo is proving to be a framework to which we individually build on/from. At the end of the day, Paleo is a "nametag" for real food. The kind of food we should strive to eat. The smarter we get about food, the more popular it will become. Atkins was/is a diet. Paleo is how we should simply be eating. Good food = happy people. Yeah, it's gaining popularity!

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:38 PM

"Real food" is definitely gaining popularity. The farmer's markets I go to are more & more crowded every week. (This is a good thing, of course, for tons of reasons. The crowds just make me jumpy sometimes.) Vegan, vegetarian, omnivores - one thing we tend to agree on is buying fresh stuff from the local guys.

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:10 PM

Some of the side effects of Paleo becoming popular annoy the hell out of me - commercialization, paleofying, labeling of all kinds of odd things as paleo, "brand" dilution.

Still, the potential benefits for both us and society as a whole makes it all worthwhile.

Better health for all, less reliance on Big Pharma. More push for doctors and other health care professionals to do preventative care.

More demand for locally grass fed animals and quality grown produce can lead to more opportunities for local farmers, leads to better supply and stronger local economies.

Better health and stabler blood sugar, fewer diet related mood disorders in kids could result in lower crime rates.

...

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 24, 2012
at 08:19 PM

Even brand dilution is better than the alternative. Paleobread, for example, has to be better than healthy whole wheat.

Medium avatar

(287)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:36 PM

I can't wait until the shelves are full of Paleo branded confusion. The thought of Paleo Oreos just made me dizzy.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:27 PM

@RF True, but IMO people should get the full chance to know what the benefits of real paleo are. Brand dilution happens, but I still think it's important that people really know what they are choosing. If they make an informed choice to eat paleobread, that's their choice and total right. But I don't think people should be told that paleobread is as good for their health as eating a sweet potato.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 24, 2012
at 08:16 PM

Good reference for less reliance on Big Pharma. Besides if we are right in that paleo will improve health, it will also reduce overall healthcare costs to everyone!

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 24, 2012
at 08:35 PM

LOWER TAXES when we're all not subsidizing billions of $$ worth of meds for conditions that could largely be remedied by DIET.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on July 24, 2012
at 11:16 PM

I've always thought that no one owned Grok. But maybe someone does. If they do he'll sold and will be hawking branded merchandise. To slightly paraphrase a line from Strange Brew "We no longer have Dr. Atkins but we're still enjoying his low carb cookies."

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on July 24, 2012
at 11:37 PM

Good health is everyone's birth right. Not everyone who is searching is going to find paleo on their own. We were all very lucky to find it. For some it will need to be in their face. It will need to be what their doctor suggests. It will need to be what they read about in Prevention magazine. I live for the day paleo/primal is seen as the primary route to taking control of one's health. I can't imagine not wanting what we have all discovered, been so lucky as to have discovered, to be discovered by everyone.

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on July 24, 2012
at 09:51 PM

I see you're thinking, but as I get older I REALLY don't want to see all my friends (and my generation) get sick and face life threatening illnesses prematurely / unnecessarily.

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on July 24, 2012
at 09:20 PM

When I get old I will be annoyed if I have to look after everyone else because I'm the only healthy one around.

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on July 26, 2012
at 08:34 AM

I think the question "does this suit our bodies, does this suit our natures, is this what we are evolved for" - a much more powerful concept than a mere diet. If paleo truely took hold, in the broadest sense, the lifestyle sense, with the above questions, it could potentially revolutionize society....

If it was just as a popular diet for losing weight etc, then it would be quite lame IMO. You'd get cheaper food, and more consumer options, but without the spirit of the thing, its not going to change the way people think about things.

Actually I think paleo/primal/whatever has barely started its own development. We are still somewhat refining our diet, still definately refining functional fitness but theres also lots and lots of the primal lifestyle we are still missing (see the above question). For me, it seems like only the first chapter in a longer story.

I have been thinking about some of those other parts (before I came across the paleo diet etc) for some time. Things like the shape of our communities, our ways of interacting, our connection with nature etc. Theres alot in here that could be made more intergrated with our natures, while still retaining our modern technology etc. If I can get my act together I may write a book (Its been brewing in my head for along time)

Anyway at minimum, there is more than evolutionary health to be potentially explored. Evolutionary psychology is a ready to hand example.

As far as paleo is concerned, I am sure it will have some kind of mainstream impact. Its growing, and something that grows and grows usually does, even if its influence is superficial. All our explaining to people what the heck we eat, is bound to sink in at some point.

I personally would prefer if that impact was about more than getting fit, or eating well, as important as those things are. I would especially hope that, once its more well known, paleo is not still primarily recognised as some kind of atkins 2.0 weight loss scheme.

I would prefer it was about people thinking...: "is this conventional wisdom way really good for me", "should we really be doing this this way", even "what would grok do". About re-thinking things that we do simply because thats the way things have turned out, or because thats the way people do them and instead thinking about what they, as humans are suited to.

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on July 26, 2012
at 07:09 AM

To get our deficit under control.

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on July 25, 2012
at 12:20 AM

Money, what else?

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on July 24, 2012
at 10:40 PM

It is human nature for people to want to feel good about themselves, and a lot of people have a part of their self-worth tied into Paleo. When they see positive references to Paleo in the mainstream it reinforces those positive feelings; when they see negative references it threatens their feelings of self-worth.

It's almost like a drug, the feeling that Paleo is part of a movement that is gaining acceptance floods them with a sense of well-being.

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on July 24, 2012
at 08:39 PM

For the record I think vegans and PETA are against it...

Other than them, why would anyone be against anything that's an effective tool to reduce obesity? Paleo is healthier than a lot of other approaches for controlling the looming health care costs.

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