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rbc magnesium questions

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 08, 2012 at 3:03 PM

a little background. i need some magnesium experts!!!!!!!!

last summer i was dx'd with a magnesium deficiency. serum mg was .5 (1.5-2.2 range). i have a RSI and extremely tight muscles, winged shoulders, which i am in physical therapy for and parasthesias in both my hands from tight pecs (i think)..not spasming but the muscles are insanely tight. i have gotten massage blah blah blah, they just tighten back up even when im not doing anything. i am in a strengthening program

started supplementing a ton with citrate and glycinate and epsom on occasions. in november my rbc magnesuim was a 4.7 (4.2-6.8 range)

last week i tested..like 10 months later and it's just a 5 (4.2-6.8). my serum mg when i have tested it..is always like a 2.

ive been taking 800 to 1000 mgs a day. i am going to start taking at least 1000-1200 each day. the thing is i do FEEL the magnesium. sometimes i feel almost too relaxed when i take high doses. i dont like it

so with rbc magnesium testing, do your red blood cells change out like every 3 months or is my rbc magnesium slowly increasing over time and adding to my mg stores (make sense?) should i expect my rbc magnesium to go up .3 or so in the next year? or this unusual and my magnesium should be higher for taking so much? are there any other obscure nutrients that could contribute to neuromuscular pain other than mg, b vits, and d? thanks!!

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on June 28, 2013
at 02:21 PM

don't take magnesium oxide. It's really harsh, and a shockingly low percentage is absorbed.

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on September 12, 2012
at 12:09 AM

thank you. i have NEVER taken a pre-biotic. i am curious about the mg load test but i have not found much information on it or who would give such a test. the traditional doctors aren't really taking me seriously unfortunately. i am taking 800 mgs of glycinate and then 300mgs of citrate powder. not sure of the elemental magnesium in glycinate

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on September 09, 2012
at 01:42 PM

thanks my serum mag isnt low anymore tho do you know if rbc magnesium testing, do your red blood cells change out like every 3 months or is my rbc magnesium slowly increasing over time and adding to my mg stores

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:52 PM

Magnesium is mainly an intercellular ion, meaning it resides in bone, muscle, nerve, and other cells. Blood contains less than 1% of the body???s magnesium stores.

Since your serum magnesium level results are low, most likely your tissues levels are seriously depleted. This most likely is the source of your muscle tightness.

Because the body maintains serum levels at the expense of tissue, muscle, and bone cell levels a person with normal blood serum levels can still be magnesium deficient.

"are there any other obscure nutrients that could contribute to neuromuscular pain other than mg, b vits, and d?"

Yes. Calcium causes muscles to contract, while magnesium helps them relax, so magnesium helps keep muscle nerves relaxed. If your magnesium reserves are too low, there is nothing to block the calcium out and the nerve cell can become over-activated. Because blood flows through a muscle only when it is not contracting, magnesium is vital for preventing nerve cells from being over-activated. During over-activation, too many messages are sent to the muscles, causing them to over-contract. The result can be tension, soreness, spasms, cramps, and fatigue in the muscle.

You can read more about it here

Recoverspray.com has a few articles about magnesium that are useful and will point you in the right direction.

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

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on September 09, 2012
at 01:42 PM

thanks my serum mag isnt low anymore tho do you know if rbc magnesium testing, do your red blood cells change out like every 3 months or is my rbc magnesium slowly increasing over time and adding to my mg stores

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on June 28, 2013
at 02:30 PM

Only a percentage of magnesium taken orally is absorbed.

Aside from Calcium which can compete for absorption with magnesium, there are other factors which can negatively impact magnesium absorption, like HIGH OXALATE FOODS. There are lots of paleo friendly foods which are VERY HIGH in oxalates, like sweet potato, spinach, dark chocolate. Basically, the oxalates in these food bind to magnesium (and calcium), forming an insoluble compound which cannot be absorbed. Bottom line: just because you are popping some magnesium pills, and even though your blood levels rose, you might not be absorbing nearly as much as you think. And btw, I think magnesium oxide absorption rate is something astonishingly low (like maybe 5% - google it).

BTW, +1 on the transdermal magnesium "oil" (which is not actually oil, but a super-saturated solution of magnesium chloride which is applied and absorbed through the skin). Why not try topical AND oral simultaneously?

Please keep us posted.

Mike

PS: I've tried all the types & brands of magnesium. The only way I can get 500mg of magnesium orally without terrible GI effects is with Jigsaw Magnesium. I resisted trying this because it's only avail as tablets, but I finally broke down and tried it.

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on June 28, 2013
at 10:31 AM

I think what you need is transdermal magnesium oil, it is absorbed through the skin and therefore it doesn't depend on your digestion, goes directly to your tissues. I have spurs or osteophytes in my neck, for months and months I was in agony 24/7, my doctor tried everything, from acupuncture to supplements, etc, nothing worked, finally she sent me to a surgeon who said he could operate but no guarantees. The pain was so bad I had to use morphine patches. I had always been on the most expensive brands of magnesium but in powder or capsule form. By the way the red cell mag test was always normal levels. I walked into my local health shop and they suggested I tried MagSorb , a brand of magnesium spray, I applied at 4pm , I had the best night sleep ever, and when I woke up next day no pain whatsoever!!!! and this was almost a year ago, no more surgery for me. It is obvious to me that despite the mag tests I was still deficient and that I was not absorbing the powders or tablets even that I was taking high doses. Give it a go, you get it in the net, either MagSorb brand or Ancient Minerals is another brand of magnesium oil.

PS: not only saved me from the surgeon it also got rid of my migraines.

Mabel

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on March 07, 2013
at 07:44 PM

As a former hospital exec & consultant, I was troubled by the alarmingly rise in chronic disease, so I decided to become a Wellness Coach 4 yrs ago, & then 2 yours ago realized that the entire medical field revolves around Magnesium deficiency (& it's partner, excess, unregulated Calcium, which Mark beautifully noted its jobs & metabolic role. But lack of Maggie compounds this issue ten-fold! Since starting this journey, I have formed the Magnesium Advocacy Group (www.GotMag.org)& have a growing FB group under that same banner. And Holly, your serum Mg was very low! You are taking good oral forms, but you may need more bio-available forms (MgMalate or Mg Orotate -- there are many, unfortunately. Keep in mind Vit-B6 is key for getting Mg INSIDE the cell, which may account for the slow MagRBC recovery. Final thought, while it is openly recognized in the Mg research community that serum Mg levels are VERY misleading (spelled "inaccurate!"), the MagRBC, while not perfect, is a great way to measure Mg status. And the definitive test, even better than the Mg loading, is the "Ionized" Electrolyte test that is next to impossible to find, as only 140 of 5,500 hospitals have the NOVA CRT-8 Analyzer. Feel free to join the Magnesium Advocacy FB group, & take a spin at my website: www.GotMag.org/how-to-restore-magnesium/ A votre sante!

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on September 11, 2012
at 11:08 PM

Neither the serum test nor the red blood cell test accurately measures magnesium. The only accurate test is the metabolic balance test which consists of a loading dose of magnesium, usually IV, followed by the collection of a twenty-four hour urine. If you retain more than 10% of the load, you're deficient.

You mention supplements of glycinate and citrate but is the number you mention the size of the pill or the pill's magnesium content? 1000 mg of magnesium citrate provides only about 200 mg magnesium while 1000mg of elemental magnesium is guaranteed to cause explsosive diarrhea.

If you really want to supplement magnesium effectively take 2-300 magnesium from 4-500 mg of magnesium oxide at bedtime. concurrently take 2000 IU vitamin D3, 100mg vitamin B6, and ask for a pre-biotic at the healthfood store. That's a PRE not a PRO biotic. It will take 3-6 months of this regimen to fix you up

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

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on September 12, 2012
at 12:09 AM

thank you. i have NEVER taken a pre-biotic. i am curious about the mg load test but i have not found much information on it or who would give such a test. the traditional doctors aren't really taking me seriously unfortunately. i am taking 800 mgs of glycinate and then 300mgs of citrate powder. not sure of the elemental magnesium in glycinate

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on June 28, 2013
at 02:21 PM

don't take magnesium oxide. It's really harsh, and a shockingly low percentage is absorbed.

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